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3 illegal immigrants charged in shooting death of 17-year-old high school student

AmericanSpartan said:
No, if these people had been prevented from entering the nation via a wall.
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Or, if no guns existed.

Hmmm... complex issue.

Btw... did you read the article? These folks knew each other and investigators said it was personal. So, even if they were here legally, this probably would have happened.

Hmmm... complex issue.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Or, if no guns existed.

Hmmm... complex issue.

Btw... did you read the article? These folks knew each other and investigators said it was personal. So, even if they were here legally, this probably would have happened.

Hmmm... complex issue.
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Once again how could they murder a person in America if they were not in America to begin with? They could not.

Great way to change the goal post.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Once again how could they murder a person in America if they were not in America to begin with? They could not.

Great way to change the goal post.
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How could they murder someone in the way that they did if there were no guns? Way to ignore the complexity of an issue.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
How could they murder someone in the way that they did if there were no guns? Way to ignore the complexity of an issue.
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Begging the question fallacy. Typical.

You can not murder an American in America, if you are not inside of America.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Begging the question fallacy. Typical.
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Not at all. A counter question that renders yours just as irrelevant as mine. That's how to logically debate.

You can not murder an American in America, if you are not inside of America.
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And you can't murder someone in the way that they did if there are no guns.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Not at all. A counter question that renders yours just as irrelevant as mine. That's how to logically debate.



And you can't murder someone in the way that they did if there are no guns.
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Well you can not uninvent tech, but you can keep people out of a nation with a wall, but then again I am not the one calling for mass immigration and stripping people of their means to defend themselves against the scum of the 3rd world.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sure. If guns didn't exist...
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And if guns didn't exist, they'd still find a way to kill the person.
And what's sadder is you care more about the weapon that was used then the people who did it.

Liberals *shakes head*
 
Roadvirus said:
And if guns didn't exist, they'd still find a way to kill the person.
And what's sadder is you care more about the weapon that was used then the people who did it.

Liberals *shakes head*
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And this one claims people who value their nation, culture, Liberty, rights, race, future, and wants to end their current failure in D.C "hate America", while his side support displacement level immigration, gun control, etc.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Or, if no guns existed.

Hmmm... complex issue.

Btw... did you read the article? These folks knew each other and investigators said it was personal. So, even if they were here legally, this probably would have happened.

Hmmm... complex issue.
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Sounds gang or drug related. The victim seems to have been illegal, too.

Bringing their street problems here, as if we don't have enough.
 
Roadvirus said:
And if guns didn't exist, they'd still find a way to kill the person.
And what's sadder is you care more about the weapon that was used then the people who did it.

Liberals *shakes head*
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Guns make it far easier to kill someone. That's why people like guns. Duh.

These cowards could shoot an unarmed guy at a distance and have a chance to run away like the yellow bellied cowards they are. But they were caught, thank goodness.

There's less of a chance of death if a gun isn't involved. But you know that.
 
JumpinJack said:
Guns make it far easier to kill someone. That's why people like guns. Duh.

These cowards could shoot an unarmed guy at a distance and have a chance to run away like the yellow bellied cowards they are. But they were caught, thank goodness.

There's less of a chance of death if a gun isn't involved. But you know that.
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Their is also a less of a chance of being able to defend yourself.

Move over this could have been prevented if those scumbags had been kept out of America.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Well you can not uninvent tech, but you can keep people out of a nation with a wall, but then again I am not the one calling for mass immigration and stripping people of their means to defend themselves against the scum of the 3rd world.
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I never said one should uninvent tech, nor did I say the right wing propaganda crap you said at the end of your post. Do try to address what I actually say from here on.
 
Roadvirus said:
And if guns didn't exist, they'd still find a way to kill the person.
And what's sadder is you care more about the weapon that was used then the people who did it.

Liberals *shakes head*
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And another conservative who missed the point... not surprisingly. And another conservative who makes assumptions about my position... and gets it wrong, not surprisingly. Seems to me that misunderstanding and misinterpreting liberal positions to fit the anti-liberal conservative agenda is all you guy know how to do.

Here's my position. I am not more interested in the weapon then the people who killed this person. I actually have very little interest in guns or the whole stupid gun debate. I do not support illegal immigrants. However, I also do not support people looking at an issue in simplistic ways and ignoring the more complex parts of the issue, simply because doing so would go against their agenda. In this case, an individual is dead because people who knew him wanted him dead. The fact that those people were illegal immigrants is not the main part of the issue.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
And this one claims people who value their nation, culture, Liberty, rights, race, future, and wants to end their current failure in D.C "hate America", while his side support displacement level immigration, gun control, etc.
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No, I accurately claim that folks like you who want to bring tyranny to America and who do nothing but complain about things, do hate the US and should leave.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
And another conservative who missed the point... not surprisingly. And another conservative who makes assumptions about my position... and gets it wrong, not surprisingly. Seems to me that misunderstanding and misinterpreting liberal positions to fit the anti-liberal conservative agenda is all you guy know how to do.

Here's my position. I am not more interested in the weapon then the people who killed this person. I actually have very little interest in guns or the whole stupid gun debate. I do not support illegal immigrants. However, I also do not support people looking at an issue in simplistic ways and ignoring the more complex parts of the issue, simply because doing so would go against their agenda. In this case, an individual is dead because people who knew him wanted him dead. The fact that those people were illegal immigrants is not the main part of the issue.
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No you just demean others and their views by calling them "simply" as if that is a bad thing.

Yes it is, if these people were not in the nation that young man would still be alive as every person who was murdered by an illegal if their murderers were not in the name.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
No, I accurately claim that folks like you who want to bring tyranny to America and who do nothing but complain about things, do hate the US and should leave.
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You never answer the questions, but hell for the record, why not ask.

How is my side "bringing tyranny to America"? How is wanting the rule of law to be enforced "tyrannical"?

How is wanting the incompetence in Washington to stop "hating" America?

You will not answer the questions, save for some moronic cry of "fallacy" or some other excuse.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
No you just demean others and their views by calling them "simply" as if that is a bad thing.
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If you don't understand an issue, because it's complexity is beyond what your agenda will allow you understand, I will point that out. If you don't like it, do try to actually understand what you are talking about, and recognize that things don't fit into your agenda-driven package.

Yes it is, if these people were not in the nation that young man would still be alive as every person who was murdered by an illegal if their murderers were not in the name.
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And if guns didn't exist, most people who killed by guns would still be alive. Are you understanding what I'm saying YET?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
If you don't understand an issue, because it's complexity is beyond what your agenda will allow you understand, I will point that out. If you don't like it, do try to actually understand what you are talking about, and recognize that things don't fit into your agenda-driven package.
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No we do understand the issue of Illegal immigration, its not the simply or complex, Business want "cheap" labor and leftist want "free" voters.



And if guns didn't exist, most people who killed by guns would still be alive. Are you understanding what I'm saying YET?
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And people who have used them to defend themselves with firearms would have been victims.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
You never answer the questions, but hell for the record, why not ask.

How is my side "bringing tyranny to America"? How is wanting the rule of law to be enforced "tyrannical"?

How is wanting the incompetence in Washington to stop "hating" America?

You will not answer the questions, save for some moronic cry of "fallacy" or some other excuse.
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1) When you start answering questions, I will. You have a couple of questions in the other thread that you have dishonestly dodged and refused to answer. Start answering and you'll get answers from me.

2) Have you yet figured out how NOT to ask a question that falls into the "begging the question" logical fallacy? From the "questions" above, apparently you haven't. Here's your assignment for the evening. Go use google and find out the definition of the "begging the question" logical fallacy, THEN go back and reword each and every question that you have made so it doesn't fall into that.

3) Until you do both of the above, I will just continue to point out the errors in what you say, the fallacy-like way in which you post, and right wing hack propaganda of which you present.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
1) When you start answering questions, I will. You have a couple of questions in the other thread that you have dishonestly dodged and refused to answer. Start answering and you'll get answers from me.

2) Have you yet figured out how NOT to ask a question that falls into the "begging the question" logical fallacy? From the "questions" above, apparently you haven't. Here's your assignment for the evening. Go use google and find out the definition of the "begging the question" logical fallacy, THEN go back and reword each and every question that you have made so it doesn't fall into that.

3) Until you do both of the above, I will just continue to point out the errors in what you say, the fallacy-like way in which you post, and right wing hack propaganda of which you present.
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So you just refuse to answer questions and claim "fallacies" scream "right wing propaganda". Fine it does not change reality.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
No we do understand the issue of Illegal immigration, its not the simply or complex, Business want "cheap" labor and leftist want "free" voters.
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No, you don't understand the issue that is being discussed in this thread. It is not ONLY about illegal immigration. You believing it is happens to be one of your many errors.

And people who have used them to defend themselves with firearms would have been victims.
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If there were no guns, defense would be far easier.
 
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