1928 Military Training Manual (1 Viewer)

[Master PO]

This Training Manual No. TM 2000-25 on Citizenship, U.S. History and the Constitution was compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30, 1928, to teach our young men in the services the fundamental principles upon which our Government was founded.

The precise and scholarly definitions presented throughout the manual were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Such definitions take precedence over any definitions that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodic modification to please the powers in office.

Shortly after the "bank holiday" in 1933, orders from the FDR White House suddenly demanded without explanation that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed. So began the demagogic descent of the United States and the subversion of the Constitution into Americanized National Socialism, bankruptcy and the continued state of national emergency that we have experienced as a nation for the past -1820 years.

Today there is a great deal of reference by the media and sadly, even by many of our elected officials to “our democracy” or “this democracy” when referring to our government.

The Founding Fathers of our Nation wisely established a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy, and there are many important differences. The differences can be debated and argued in many ways, but the best and simplest definitions are printed in this Training Manual, presented here in its entirety.


WAR DEPARTMENT TM_2000-25, issued November 30, 1928

other material for your own reading

http://www.freenz.org/images/PDFs/larosa-democracy-or-republic-which is it.pdf

 

[Fisher]

Public spirit. — The secret of the remarkable progress of America in the first 100 years of constitutional government lies in the fact that her public-spirited men were striving to put the best into government, not to take the most out of it.

Boy has that taken a 180 degree turn......

 

[SJ-10]

Which doctrine(s) from this text would you say FDR was the most keen to suppress?

 

[Master PO]

7. Philosophy of American Government. — The philosophy of government, as set up under our Constitution, finds its keynote in individualism as opposed to that misguided philosophy of government, collectivism, which makes the State paramount in its demands over the inalienable rights of its individual citizens. Incomprehensible as it may seem, the political problems of America and of the world at large are embodied in this question of individualism as opposed to collectivism as the philosophy of government for the future development and welfare of nations.

Emphasis must be laid upon the benefits and advantages accruing to each individual citizen of our country under the form of government set up as the supreme law of the land in the Constitution of the United States of America.

 

[spud_meister]

Democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive terms.

/facepalm

 

[Master PO]

Democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive terms.

/facepalm

a republic can be many kinds.

people's republic of china.

France....a democratic socialist republic....with democratic government

Soviet Russia......Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

USA ......constitutional republic, with republican government

 

[Master PO]

Printed in 1928.......this is the type of government the LEFT TODAY wish to change America into.



95. Collectivistic government. — "Equality of condition". — In this system of government stress is laid upon the proposition that "all men are created equal," meaning that no man has a right to that which is denied to another; that any system of government failing to recognize and conform to this "ideal" is wrong, and therefore an enemy of society and a foe of mankind.

The ignorant, illiterate, physically and mentally deficient, the lazy, improvident, and reckless have equal right with the alert, aggressive, busy, educated, high-minded, orderly citizen who aspires to the best and is willing to pay the price of attainment through self-discipline, hard work, and careful management.

It is not in human nature to recognize "equality of condition" except to acquire a personal advantage. One may be willing to divide another's property with the third and fourth individual providing the share remaining to him is something more than he formerly possessed.

Denial of personal rights. — "Collectivism" is the denial of personal rights. The State (community) becomes the chief concern of all. It claims that the "law of equality," once applied, would destroy every human desire for individual dominance, making society safe, content, comfortable, and happy.

This "ideal" is to be accomplished by the application of force under the direction of leaders, in the selection of whom the people will have little or no choice. It is necessary, at first, to enforce the will of community interests until the people become educated and submissive to the new order.

Denied all personal rights "collectivism" gives its "instructions'' where to live, where to work, what to do, what to think, and what to say. for the State is the law.

Confiscation of private property. — "Collectivism" declares that the possession of property has developed protection of property through governments, courts, police power, and public opinion, making it difficult for one to acquire private property except by work. Private property must be abolished so that all will live on a plane of "equal condition." As a matter of fact, however, "human nature" will see to it that the "equal condition" will very quickly become an equal condition of misery, want, and discontent.

Religion outlawed. — The collectivistic government proceeds against "imperialism" by outlawing the church. The church at the behest of capital "fed the people the opium of religion," making them willing slaves to do the will of their capitalistic masters. In the interest of the new order there must be left no place for religion, lest the people gain courage to throw off the yoke of their new-found freedom.

Abolition of the family. — With personal rights, private property, and tho church abolished, to make subjection complete "the state" declares that in pure "collectivism" there can be no family ties, for children, like all other property, are an asset of the community and must be robbed of family love and obligation as a necessary step to loyalty to the state. Marriage may be practiced if conscience insists, but is not demanded in the interest of the new society, for with the abolishment of personal rights, private property, church, and home, society no longer possesses a moral, ethical, or spiritual code.

"Socialism" kills. — The doctrine of "socialism" is "collectivism." It tears down the social structure, weakens individual responsibility by subjection to or reliance upon the state in all material, social, and political matters. It compels the thought that at his best man is no better than the worst; he loses his self-respect and his keener sense of moral and ethical values. Ambition is nullified by restriction of choice in occupation and reward of attainment. Initiative, the very backbone of all progress, is smothered in the morass of impersonal service, mass servility, and mob inertia.

"Socialism" aims to save individuals from the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence and the competition of life through calling upon the state to carry the burden for them.

"Equality of condition," the ruling law of "collectivism," is the death knell alike to individual liberty, justice, and progress through the destruction of individual and national character.

When the citizens of a nation, seeking comforts and pleasures, find no joy or satisfaction in hard work, the years of that nation are numbered. Free bread and the circus marked the declining days of Rome. A surfeit of food, clothes, comfortable homes, and much time

for idleness can easily become the first step to the overthrow of civilization.

 

[Wiseone]

This Training Manual No. TM 2000-25 on Citizenship, U.S. History and the Constitution was compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30, 1928, to teach our young men in the services the fundamental principles upon which our Government was founded.

The precise and scholarly definitions presented throughout the manual were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Such definitions take precedence over any definitions that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodic modification to please the powers in office.

Shortly after the "bank holiday" in 1933, orders from the FDR White House suddenly demanded without explanation that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed. So began the demagogic descent of the United States and the subversion of the Constitution into Americanized National Socialism, bankruptcy and the continued state of national emergency that we have experienced as a nation for the past -1820 years.

Today there is a great deal of reference by the media and sadly, even by many of our elected officials to “our democracy” or “this democracy” when referring to our government.

The Founding Fathers of our Nation wisely established a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy, and there are many important differences. The differences can be debated and argued in many ways, but the best and simplest definitions are printed in this Training Manual, presented here in its entirety.


WAR DEPARTMENT TM_2000-25, issued November 30, 1928

other material for your own reading

http://www.freenz.org/images/PDFs/larosa-democracy-or-republic-which is it.pdf

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

 

[Master PO]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

a conspiracy theory, from our own government?............surely you don't mean that?

117. The American philosophy of government. — The American philosophy of government emphasizes that —

(1) Individual rights are sacred and it is necessary to establish a government in the protection of these rights.

(2) All the powers of government are derived from the people, who retain the supreme authority over all delegated powers of government.

(3) Individual rights are not permitted to be exercised in the contravention of the rights of society. Individual liberty is always bounded by social obligations.

(4) Government is exercised for the purpose of protecting the individual in his rights.

(5) Governmental powers are delegated to the National, State, or local authority, and are limited in their exercise by provisions of the Constitution as interpreted and defined by the Supreme Court.

(6) All rights not thus delegated are recognized as the inviolable right of the individual citizen and can not be usurped by any governmental power.

(7) The Government of the United States is not a democracy but a Republic.<--------------------------

 

[spud_meister]

a republic can be many kinds.

people's republic of china.

France....a democratic socialist republic....with democratic government

Soviet Russia......Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

USA ......constitutional republic, with republican government

Yes and no. A republic is any sort of government that isn't a monarchy. All of those countries had republican governments, but only France and the US are democracies, which is any system where people vote.

 

[Master PO]

Yes and no. A republic is any sort of government that isn't a monarchy. All of those countries had republican governments, but only France and the US are democracies, which is any system where people vote.

america is not a democracy.....because democracy is-----------> democratic government.

Madison is federalist #10 draws a difference between democratic government and republican government....and the founder chose republican.

"The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican (than) of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter"

para phasing him, ...................he is saying there is LESS faction/ special interest............... in republican government than democratic government.

The Federalist No. 39
Conformity of the Plan to Republican Principles..............not democratic principles

 

[Wiseone]

a conspiracy theory, from our own government?............surely you don't mean that?

117. The American philosophy of government. — The American philosophy of government emphasizes that —

(1) Individual rights are sacred and it is necessary to establish a government in the protection of these rights.

(2) All the powers of government are derived from the people, who retain the supreme authority over all delegated powers of government.

(3) Individual rights are not permitted to be exercised in the contravention of the rights of society. Individual liberty is always bounded by social obligations.

(4) Government is exercised for the purpose of protecting the individual in his rights.

(5) Governmental powers are delegated to the National, State, or local authority, and are limited in their exercise by provisions of the Constitution as interpreted and defined by the Supreme Court.

(6) All rights not thus delegated are recognized as the inviolable right of the individual citizen and can not be usurped by any governmental power.

(7) The Government of the United States is not a democracy but a Republic.<--------------------------

That's exactly what I don't mean, is that what you mean?

 

[Master PO]

That's exactly what I don't mean, is that what you mean?

no. i took it you meant it was conspiracy theory, sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[notquiteright]

a republic can be many kinds.

people's republic of china.

France....a democratic socialist republic....with democratic government

Soviet Russia......Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

USA ......constitutional republic, with republican government

very poor examples of type. You could argue the People's democratic republic of the Congo is an example of both- but it is neither.

How the government operates vs the name on the letter head means far more.

Now the date of this manual is telling.... 1928 a year before the collapse of an era of putting self before the common good. We pretended our nation grew strong because of individual efforts and ignored we started as a series of communes, social pacts and collective effort. We once said things like common good and had places called the commons. The problem with 'individualism' is gone too far is selfishness and 'whats in it for me'.

It isn't a 'conservative' or liberal philosophy- it is the senator more concerned with staying in office vs the greater good. The corporate manager more concerned about a golden parachute than long term success, a fund manager more concerned about hitting a bonus target than the fund's retirees.

WWII wasn't won by individuals but men and women working together and many sacrificing their very lives for the common good. Without that collectivism we would have lost.

A combination of the two thoughts built this nation, period.

Funny thing about the military pre-WWII. The general population didn't think much of enlisted men, during a period of high employment and general good times, those serving were seen as losers who couldn't make it in the 'real world'.

 

[Master PO]

so i take it this is the type of government below you support?

Collectivistic government. — "Equality of condition". — In this system of government stress is laid upon the proposition that "all men are created equal," meaning that no man has a right to that which is denied to another; that any system of government failing to recognize and conform to this "ideal" is wrong, and therefore an enemy of society and a foe of mankind.

The ignorant, illiterate, physically and mentally deficient, the lazy, improvident, and reckless have equal right with the alert, aggressive, busy, educated, high-minded, orderly citizen who aspires to the best and is willing to pay the price of attainment through self-discipline, hard work, and careful management.

It is not in human nature to recognize "equality of condition" except to acquire a personal advantage. One may be willing to divide another's property with the third and fourth individual providing the share remaining to him is something more than he formerly possessed.

Denial of personal rights. — "Collectivism" is the denial of personal rights. The State (community) becomes the chief concern of all. It claims that the "law of equality," once applied, would destroy every human desire for individual dominance, making society safe, content, comfortable, and happy.

This "ideal" is to be accomplished by the application of force under the direction of leaders, in the selection of whom the people will have little or no choice. It is necessary, at first, to enforce the will of community interests until the people become educated and submissive to the new order.

Denied all personal rights "collectivism" gives its "instructions'' where to live, where to work, what to do, what to think, and what to say. for the State is the law.

Confiscation of private property. — "Collectivism" declares that the possession of property has developed protection of property through governments, courts, police power, and public opinion, making it difficult for one to acquire private property except by work. Private property must be abolished so that all will live on a plane of "equal condition." As a matter of fact, however, "human nature" will see to it that the "equal condition" will very quickly become an equal condition of misery, want, and discontent.

Religion outlawed. — The collectivistic government proceeds against "imperialism" by outlawing the church. The church at the behest of capital "fed the people the opium of religion," making them willing slaves to do the will of their capitalistic masters. In the interest of the new order there must be left no place for religion, lest the people gain courage to throw off the yoke of their new-found freedom.

Abolition of the family. — With personal rights, private property, and tho church abolished, to make subjection complete "the state" declares that in pure "collectivism" there can be no family ties, for children, like all other property, are an asset of the community and must be robbed of family love and obligation as a necessary step to loyalty to the state. Marriage may be practiced if conscience insists, but is not demanded in the interest of the new society, for with the abolishment of personal rights, private property, church, and home, society no longer possesses a moral, ethical, or spiritual code.

"Socialism" kills. — The doctrine of "socialism" is "collectivism." It tears down the social structure, weakens individual responsibility by subjection to or reliance upon the state in all material, social, and political matters. It compels the thought that at his best man is no better than the worst; he loses his self-respect and his keener sense of moral and ethical values. Ambition is nullified by restriction of choice in occupation and reward of attainment. Initiative, the very backbone of all progress, is smothered in the morass of impersonal service, mass servility, and mob inertia.

"Socialism" aims to save individuals from the difficulties or hardships of the struggle for existence and the competition of life through calling upon the state to carry the burden for them.

"Equality of condition," the ruling law of "collectivism," is the death knell alike to individual liberty, justice, and progress through the destruction of individual and national character.

When the citizens of a nation, seeking comforts and pleasures, find no joy or satisfaction in hard work, the years of that nation are numbered. Free bread and the circus marked the declining days of Rome. A surfeit of food, clothes, comfortable homes, and much time

for idleness can easily become the first step to the overthrow of civilization.

 

[Master PO]

bumping for education purposes

 

[Master PO]

Yes and no. A republic is any sort of government that isn't a monarchy. All of those countries had republican governments, but only France and the US are democracies, which is any system where people vote.

the u.s. is the only republican form government in the world..

the u.s. in not a democracy be it direct or representative .

the u.s. is a republic, with a republican from of government with a mixed constitution, of states and the people sharing power.

it is not a republic with a democratic form of government.


The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. Unlike the democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees a republican form to the states. (See Art.4,Sec.4)

 

[American]

By diffusing through the mass of the Nation the elements of military discipline and instruction; by augmenting and distributing warlike preparations applicable to future use; by evincing the zeal and valor with which they will be employed and the cheerfulness with which every necessary burden will be borne, a greater respect for our rights and a longer duration of our future peace are promised than could be expected without these proofs of the national character and resources. — Madison

Madison calling on all citizens to be responsible for defending liberty.