119th HR 23 - Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act

[OrphanSlug]

While we all watch Carter's state funeral, the House is busy trying to pass an interesting piece of legislation.

The "Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act" that basically sanctions the International Criminal Court.

Kind of on the fence on the effect of this effort. We already as a nation do not recognize the ICC as any sort of authority on criminal matters, but this one largely seems to be about a response to Israel and Netanyahu. The legislation expands Presidential power to deal with ICC holdings in the US, or members of and their holdings in the US. Meaning, business interests and real estate here owned by someone somehow related to the ICC.

Thoughts?

Text of Bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/23/text

 

[mrjurrs]

While we all watch Carter's state funeral, the House is busy trying to pass an interesting piece of legislation.

The "Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act" that basically sanctions the International Criminal Court.

Kind of on the fence on the effect of this effort. We already as a nation do not recognize the ICC as any sort of authority on criminal matters, but this one largely seems to be about a response to Israel and Netanyahu. The legislation expands Presidential power to deal with ICC holdings in the US, or members of and their holdings in the US.

Thoughts?

Text of Bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/23/text

No thank you.

We are a member of the world community and have unwritten responsibilities to act as such.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Polish president seeks protection for Netanyahu if he attends Auschwitz anniversary event​

WARSAW, Poland -- Poland's President Andrzej Duda is asking the country's government to ensure that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu can attend observances marking the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz later this month without the risk of being arrested, a Polish presidential aide said Thursday.

Netanyahu became an internationally wanted suspect after the International Criminal Court, the world's top war crimes court, issued an arrest warrant for him and others in connection with the 15-month war in Gaza, accusing them of crimes against humanity.

ABC News



If Bibi shows up and isn’t arrested, the ICC should be shut down. It is a farce.

If the West doesn’t take it seriously, there is no reason for the rest of the world to do so.

 

[phoenix2020]

While we all watch Carter's state funeral, the House is busy trying to pass an interesting piece of legislation.

The "Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act" that basically sanctions the International Criminal Court.

Kind of on the fence on the effect of this effort. We already as a nation do not recognize the ICC as any sort of authority on criminal matters, but this one largely seems to be about a response to Israel and Netanyahu. The legislation expands Presidential power to deal with ICC holdings in the US, or members of and their holdings in the US. Meaning, business interests and real estate here owned by someone somehow related to the ICC.

Thoughts?

Text of Bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/23/text

I’m mildly uncomfortable with this bill but it’s not a strong feeling. We are not a signatory to the Rome accord so we have no obligation to the ICC. This bill goes further and attempts to undermine the ICC altogether. I’d prefer we didn’t do that, but also recognize that most nations will protect their people and not voluntarily submit to an international court anyway.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I’m mildly uncomfortable with this bill but it’s not a strong feeling. We are not a signatory to the Rome accord so we have no obligation to the ICC. This bill goes further and attempts to undermine the ICC altogether. I’d prefer we didn’t do that, but also recognize that most nations will protect their people and not voluntarily submit to an international court anyway.

What got my attention was the retaliatory nature of the wording in the bill, specifically calling out protection of US interests and specifically calling out actions against Israel means the US can target the ICC here.

Setting the stage for an eventual showdown over something.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

What got my attention was the retaliatory nature of the wording in the bill, specifically calling out protection of US interests and specifically calling out actions against Israel means the US can target the ICC here.

Setting the stage for an eventual showdown over something.

Israel and certain segments of the United States political apparatus wish to take advantage of the weakening of the international rules-based order which we worked so hard to build as a nation.

 

[Integrityrespec]

While we all watch Carter's state funeral, the House is busy trying to pass an interesting piece of legislation.

The "Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act" that basically sanctions the International Criminal Court.

Kind of on the fence on the effect of this effort. We already as a nation do not recognize the ICC as any sort of authority on criminal matters, but this one largely seems to be about a response to Israel and Netanyahu. The legislation expands Presidential power to deal with ICC holdings in the US, or members of and their holdings in the US. Meaning, business interests and real estate here owned by someone somehow related to the ICC.

Thoughts?

Text of Bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/23/text

ICC as well as the UN, is full of anti american, anti democracy idiots. The U.S. has to stay involved to protect our and other democratic nations interest.

 

[phoenix2020]

What got my attention was the retaliatory nature of the wording in the bill, specifically calling out protection of US interests and specifically calling out actions against Israel means the US can target the ICC here.

Setting the stage for an eventual showdown over something.

Agreed. US policy to date has been to ignore the ICC. This bill moves us to a situation of active hostility toward the ICC. In isolation, I probably would not have a strong allergic reaction to it. However it’s coming at a time when we are becoming actively hostile to everybody including our allies. In that context, all this will accomplish is accelerate the timetable upon which the US dollar is no longer the reserve currency of choice, and our banks no longer are able to act as an instrument for global sanctions.

 

[Safiel]

It is a legitimate court, even if the United States is not a party to it. 125 countries have joined the court, including many major western democracies.

It is not going to go away because we have a tantrum over it.

 

[j brown's body]

ICC as well as the UN, is full of anti american, anti democracy idiots. The U.S. has to stay involved to protect our and other democratic nations interest.

Now, back to supporting Russia....

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What got my attention was the retaliatory nature of the wording in the bill, specifically calling out protection of US interests and specifically calling out actions against Israel means the US can target the ICC here.

Setting the stage for an eventual showdown over something.

The United States should, in no way, recognize the corrupt ICC. And if they attempt to do something to a valuable partner like Israel, we should target them.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Agreed. US policy to date has been to ignore the ICC. This bill moves us to a situation of active hostility toward the ICC. In isolation, I probably would not have a strong allergic reaction to it. However it’s coming at a time when we are becoming actively hostile to everybody including our allies. In that context, all this will accomplish is accelerate the timetable upon which the US dollar is no longer the reserve currency of choice, and our banks no longer are able to act as an instrument for global sanctions.

I do not doubt that the ICC will respond, even if in statement about their intentions to deal with Netanyahu if some ICC friendly nation has the grapes to detain him. I am reading that Poland has already agreed to not detain Netanyahu on his Auschwitz memorial visit later this month.

Something else on my mind, that is already starting to happen, is nations lining up as agreeing or not with ICC (recognizing member or not.) On the international stage, and to your point, hostility is bound to do nothing but go up as other nations align more to ignoring ICC wants.

The US Dollar as reserve currency status for other nations is an interesting side bar to this conversation, let me ponder on that a bit but I can see the ICC all of a sudden looking to their nations and suggesting distancing policy from the US. More to follow on that point, but a sort of economic warfare may be emerging.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I do not doubt that the ICC will respond, even if in statement about their intentions to deal with Netanyahu if some ICC friendly nation has the grapes to detain him. I am reading that Poland has already agreed to not detain Netanyahu on his Auschwitz memorial visit later this month.

Something else on my mind, that is already starting to happen, is nations lining up as agreeing or not with ICC (recognizing member or not.) On the international stage, and to your point, hostility is bound to do nothing but go up as other nations align more to ignoring ICC wants.

The US Dollar as reserve currency status for other nations is an interesting side bar to this conversation, let me ponder on that a bit but I can see the ICC all of a sudden looking to their nations and suggesting distancing policy from the US. More to follow on that point, but a sort of economic warfare may be emerging.

 

[gman]

Maybe someday in Kumbiah Land the ICC can try again. But it won’t happen in our lifetime.

 

[Uncensored2008]

While we all watch Carter's state funeral, the House is busy trying to pass an interesting piece of legislation.

The "Illegitimate Court Counteraction Act" that basically sanctions the International Criminal Court.

Excellent.

We are not a party to that sleazy terrorist support group.

Kind of on the fence on the effect of this effort. We already as a nation do not recognize the ICC as any sort of authority on criminal matters, but this one largely seems to be about a response to Israel and Netanyahu. The legislation expands Presidential power to deal with ICC holdings in the US, or members of and their holdings in the US. Meaning, business interests and real estate here owned by someone somehow related to the ICC.

Thoughts?

Text of Bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/23/text

Bravo - Iran has no business trying to arrest the PM of Israel. If Poland were to make good on it's threat to arrest the head of the Nation of Israel, that would be an act of war.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I do not doubt that the ICC will respond, even if in statement about their intentions to deal with Netanyahu if some ICC friendly nation has the grapes to detain him. I am reading that Poland has already agreed to not detain Netanyahu on his Auschwitz memorial visit later this month.

Something else on my mind, that is already starting to happen, is nations lining up as agreeing or not with ICC (recognizing member or not.) On the international stage, and to your point, hostility is bound to do nothing but go up as other nations align more to ignoring ICC wants.

The US Dollar as reserve currency status for other nations is an interesting side bar to this conversation, let me ponder on that a bit but I can see the ICC all of a sudden looking to their nations and suggesting distancing policy from the US. More to follow on that point, but a sort of economic warfare may be emerging.

So Poland actually DOESN'T want to be nuked, then?

Wise choice.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Israel and certain segments of the United States political apparatus wish to take advantage of the weakening of the international rules-based order which we worked so hard to build as a nation.

''The postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us.''

There it is. Fait accompli. From Rubio of all people.

 

[Uncensored2008]

''The postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us.''

There it is. Fait accompli. From Rubio of all people.

The ICC is a fraudulent organization that serves only Russia and Iran. This is why we are not part of it.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

The ICC is a fraudulent organization that serves only Russia and Iran. This is why we are not part of it.

ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova​

ICC


It seems Rubio is in league with Russia and Iran in his attempt to destroy the post WW II rules-based order.