That in and of itself does not prove fraud...it proves incentive. FRAUD is proved by actually doing studies and research. Like...this one..How does that prove fraud? Or are you against supporting those on disability all together?
10 million people taking free checks from Uncle Sam is a significant portion, regardless of what % of the population it is. Also the disability rolls have been increasing as a % of the population for some time now, suggesting that more then just population growth is at play here.
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As with any benefit some do abuse the system. This would be one of the current federal programs I would like to see moved to state control.(CNSNews.com) - The total number of people in the United States now receiving federal disability benefits hit a record 10,988,269 in December, up from the previous record of 10,982,920 set in November, according to newly released data from the Social Security Administration.
The average monthly benefit paid to a disabled worker also hit a record of $1,146.43 in December, up from a previous high of $1,130.34 in December of last year.
Spouses of disabled workers also got a record average monthly benefit of $308.13 in December, up from a previous high of $304.31 in August. Children of disabled workers also received a record average monthly benefit of $341.42 in December, up from a previous high of $337.13 in May.
As CNSNews.com reported earlier this month, the number of Americans getting disability benefits now exceeds the entire population of Greece, which is 10,772,967, according to the CIA World Factbook.
10,988,269: 2013 Closes With Record Number on Disability Getting Highest-Ever Monthly Benefits | CNS News
This was a recent study from just one small community. The numbers are staggering.
Widespread fraud reported in Social Security Administration's Disability Program | Fox News
Thats ONE small sampling of a study. There is more. But would it matter? If the finger of God came down from on high and pointed to every single fraud case would you still blindly defend it? What are you actually invested in?Seriously, is that all you got?
Heres the thing. We can all agree that there is a NEED for disability programs.
What I dont understand is why people like yourself are so desperate to defend all at all costs instead of being downright pissed off that people ARE committing fraud and taking resources from those truly in need. I dont get why you dont join the voices in DEMANDING better investigations and more careful research and tracking. It just makes no sense.
10 million people taking free checks from Uncle Sam is a significant portion, regardless of what % of the population it is. Also the disability rolls have been increasing as a % of the population for some time now, suggesting that more then just population growth is at play here.
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Thats ONE small sampling of a study. There is more. But would it matter? If the finger of God came down from on high and pointed to every single fraud case would you still blindly defend it? What are you actually invested in?
Heres the ironic part...I dont know what you do for a living but I actually WORK with this population on a pretty regular basis. I work with Soldiers and spouses getting people entered into special needs programs and arrange for disability with the government. I work with the direct population coordinating follow on care or trying find secure housing for them during crisis calls. I work with the county relief organizations. I would guess I am at LEAST as invested in the success of disability programs as you are...maybe more so. But all you can see is "dont touch mah baby!!! Dont threaten disability!!!" not "Hey...asshole...stop abusing the system...there are people that NEED that program".
Something like 70% of them are disabled by headaches or back pain. I hate to say fraud, but, yeah, fraud.
Good lord. Can you BE more pathetic (dont answer that)? I hate to sound trite...but really...is THAT the best you can do? I wouldnt assist someone on a false claim for disability. What we KNOW and is proven daily by both state investigations and investigations done by the Soc Sec Admin is that fraud is very real, it is a very real and significant problem, and addressing it will not only discourage people from attempting to commit fraud but will also free up needed resources. This is like everything else...if there was unified front AGAINST fraud we would probably have to commit less support dollars towards the investigation or and punishment of fraud.So you allege that the people you mostly deal with (for work) want to commit fraud? Do commit fraud?
fraud is very real, it is a very real and significant problem
And as a nation we should be concerned with fraud in the DOD as well. That does not in any way shape or form mitigate or cancel out the very real instances of fraud occurring in the assistance/disability realm. In that one case cited in Ky, do you have any idea what can be done with 6-7 million dollars? At a HIGH end, thats 10 fully renovated 20 bed womens shelters. 4 with construction from ground up. At 900k for a 50 bed facility, thats 400 beds with support annually. About 150 special needs beds. And thats ONE case in a fairly rural area. The Long Island RR scandal involved 833 people. Still unraveling the amounts.I'm not sure of that, Vance. Seems to me some what it done away with.
Desperate to defend is a pretty strong statement and pretty much off the mark. Just like anyone else, I deplore fraud and people who take advantage. And like any budget, there will be waste. In the case of those collecting disability payments (3% of the population) there are some that do indeed cheat the system. And, like I wrote before... so what? Sure, it sucks. But the % is small and insignificant in the whole grand scheme of things, and that investing it would cost the taxpayers even more. So that is basically my point.
Now, if one is concerned by government waste and spending, then one can make great strides by going after the corruption and waste at DoD. Read the Reuters article I linked earlier. We're talking billions upon billions flushed down the drain. Amazing that those who regularly show concern about government waste and spending have never mentioned this. Why is that?
In order for you to have something proven you must first be willing to open your eyes. One case in small town Kentucky. Long Island Rail Road. Widespread fraud found in San Diego. Billions in social security fraud...hell gangs and drug cartels have even gotten into the mix in Florida...its easy money. The 60 minutes investigation. Examples cited ON the SSA websites. Numerous cases of Lawfirms collecting millions getting people that have no business being on disability into the system (so much so that the SSA is now having to change its business practices)...I keep reading this, yet no one has managed to prove anything close.
Wow, just wow, I knew the radical left doesn't care about anyone but themselves but just wow. Sickening.
Thats ONE small sampling of a study. There is more. But would it matter? If the finger of God came down from on high and pointed to every single fraud case would you still blindly defend it? What are you actually invested in?
Heres the ironic part...I dont know what you do for a living but I actually WORK with this population on a pretty regular basis. I work with Soldiers and spouses getting people entered into special needs programs and arrange for disability with the government. I work with the direct population coordinating follow on care or trying find secure housing for them during crisis calls. I work with the county relief organizations. I would guess I am at LEAST as invested in the success of disability programs as you are...maybe more so. But all you can see is "dont touch mah baby!!! Dont threaten disability!!!" not "Hey...asshole...stop abusing the system...there are people that NEED that program".
Compared to the waste that is DoD, it's couch cushion change. And since you seem to think that a god portion of people on disability commit fraud, I'd like some proof.
We have...I am pretty sure I mentioned that earlier.Well then when you come across fraud, I suggest you report it. I sure would. Literally nobody is arguing "don't punish fraud."
We have...I am pretty sure I mentioned that earlier.
Literally...at least two of you are very much unconcerned about fraud. Which is ironic considering fraud threatens the support of people that some folk allege to 'care' so much about.
so as the country continually increases debt and more and more people are sitting at home collecting the free check, pat yourself on the back if you voted for Obama and his ilk when the country fails completely
No, at least two people aren't showing some arbitrary level of concern that meets your unspecified desire. What do you want them to say, exactly? "Fraud bad?" Yes, it is.
What makes you think I'm not?Fraud threatens the security of vital programs. It doesnt matter if it is disability programs for truly disabled, food stamp programs for truly needy individuals, or any other social service program. And rather than kneejerk jump to defend and ignore the fraud...which happens here regularly, I would think you would be more invested in securing a program and services for those that actually need it.
So what?
I would love to see some facts that prove Obama and his ilk are responsible for the increase of Americans on disability.
You think everyone collecting disability should be cut off?
And as a nation we should be concerned with fraud in the DOD as well. That does not in any way shape or form mitigate or cancel out the very real instances of fraud occurring in the assistance/disability realm. In that one case cited in Ky, do you have any idea what can be done with 6-7 million dollars? At a HIGH end, thats 10 fully renovated 20 bed womens shelters. 4 with construction from ground up. At 900k for a 50 bed facility, thats 400 beds with support annually. About 150 special needs beds. And thats ONE case in a fairly rural area. The Long Island RR scandal involved 833 people. Still unraveling the amounts.
You want to bang that drum for change in the DOD...hell yes...right there with you. That doesnt excuse this. You want to PROTECT those programs you have to be more vigilant with them.
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