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“Unspeakable” Images And Reports Of Russian Atrocities In Bucha, Ukraine, Are Being Condemned By World Leaders

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“Unspeakable” Images And Reports Of Russian Atrocities In Bucha, Ukraine, Are Being Condemned By World Leaders


A hand protrudes from a shallow mass grave in Bucha, Ukraine.



Murdering Ukrainian civilians en-masse. Shades of the Nazi SS and Stalin's NKVD.

 
Well, good thing we don't have any troops in there securing air bases for humanitarian missions and supplies. Just imagine how provoked Putin would be then! I mean, this is bad but if we just give the sanctions a little more time Putin will be powerless.

Isn't it interesting how every time the west tries a policy of appeasement to sate a wild dictator it not only fails but there are absolute atrocities committed by said dictator? Maybe the solution is a bigger, bolder font in all those sternly worded letters.
 
You want NATO to go in, too, don't you?
 
You want NATO to go in, too, don't you?
I have expressed several times around here what I believe third party nations, including NATO, should do in Ukraine and to Russia.
 
I have expressed several times around here what I believe third party nations, including NATO, should do in Ukraine and to Russia.
Excuse me for asking. I don't keep notes. I'm not going to go searching for your solution, either. If you can't be bothered, you maybe shouldn't criticize the alternative.

I think NATO needs to go kick some ass and push Russia out of Ukraine, even Crimea if an internationally administered FAIR vote by the people of Crimea says they are Ukrainians. It wouldn't take long if NATO went in meaning business. Keep the fighting within Ukraine's boundaries but knock the Russians flat. Ukraine does not have a large enough military or the right toys to drive Russia away from the coast. Russia has invaded on too many fronts for the Ukrainians to do more than chisel away at the edges, and it's fracturing their strength.

The OP is likely to tell me that the newest shipment of toys will make the difference. I don't believe it. I don't believe that it will cause nuclear war, either, if NATO remains in Ukraine.
 
The OP is likely to tell me that the newest shipment of toys will make the difference. I don't believe it. I don't believe that it will cause nuclear war, either, if NATO remains in Ukraine.

On the contrary, I have always advocated for more arms for Ukraine. Especially arms like US Javelins and Stingers, the US Switchblade drones, the UK Starstreak MANPAD, NLAW missiles, Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 drones, S-300 anti-air systems, and whatever anti-ship missiles can be cobbled together.

Unless Ukraine can end Russian air superiority over Ukraine, those 24 Polish MiGs will be of limited use. (i.e. where could they land and be safe?)
 
You're saying exactly what I thought you would: more toys. They need more forces.
 
You're saying exactly what I thought you would: more toys. They need more forces.

Which would come from?

Zelenskyy has maintained all along that he doesn't need NATO troops. Just arm Ukrainian troops properly and they will do the fighting.
 
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You're saying exactly what I thought you would: more toys. They need more forces.

They have plenty of forces. They need more weapons, food, and medical supplies.

"Toys" are how they stopped the advance. "Toys" have destroyed thousands of armored vehicles, trucks, and aircraft.
 
Now they are killing mayors...no doubt to replace them with Russian Loyalists

That's how it went down in Crimea in 2014. Russian troops sealed off the Crimea parliament building. Only handpicked local pro-Russia sympathizers were allowed to enter.

And presto! A brand new Crimea leadership and a phony referendum.


 
Now they are killing mayors...no doubt to replace them with Russian Loyalists
Not only the mayor, but her husband and her son as well. Then they put them in a pit. The pit was behind their house.
 
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