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“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit. Always has been. "America First" is a crock. Maybe you had good intentions, but…

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“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

IMG_0131.webp

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
America First is a KKK slogan from the 1920s.

MAGA uses it because they are racists and KKK members.

Never forget that.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
But we all know which part is "THE" America. The one that saves everybody's ass when they get in trouble.
 
Surely, you do not expect the cadre of DP Trump followers to actually understand your post. If they had that type of reasoning ability, they would NOT be MAGAS.
I was going to respond the same way. Far too complicated for the average MAGA.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
I think the short answer to what's happening is the exhaustion of the res publica.

Republics whose leaders fail to spend off oligarchic wealth either end up compromised by those elites, or losing the initiative to them. Defense is expensive. It's exhausting.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
You say that as a biased lefty.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.
For decades democrats and some RINO republicans have been moving this country toward socialism. I watched as republican candidate after republican candidate campaigned on stopping this slide only to do nothing about it. Some did nothing because they partly agreed with it. Others did nothing because they feared being savaged by the “fake news” leftist media.

So in comes a business man from New York. Is he a RINO I worried? Will he keep his word? Will he collapse like all the others in the face of media attacks? I had tons of concerns in 2016. However the alternative was Hillary and I know that devil already. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Still there was something in Trumps attitude that made me believe that he might possibly do what he was saying. So I gave him a shot. I was pleasantly surprised. The man stood up to and even pulled the teeth from the fake news media. He did the things he said he would or tried and was stopped. Even things that appeared unpopular and costly to his political capital. I liked that a lot, a spine. I didn’t like his pettiness and personal attacks but whatever.

So after much thought and then after watching him in action I am a supporter now. I bought no snake oils. Notice you didn’t list a single thing you claim I bought into that was wrong. The man does the vast majority of what he says he will do. That’s a refreshing change for republicans. It’s why I accept him even with his not so presidential side. They all lie. A Trump lie is usually him embellishing something. I had the biggest crowd ever or I will lower food prices day one. Stupid stuff. Biden lie…. hunters laptop was Russian disinformation. Biden lied about facing off with corn pop armed with a rusty straight razor lol. Told the ridiculous story when he called black kids roaches. Biden lied about having government work to censor conservatives on social media. Big lies not the silly and impossible ones from Trump.

And it’s funny that you didn’t care about free speech when it was republicans being silenced lol. Hypocrisy and telling.

We are wide awake and working to save our republic from folks like you.
 
America First is a KKK slogan from the 1920s.

MAGA uses it because they are racists and KKK members.

Never forget that.
lol what utter and complete horse shit.

Biden admitted that his friend and MENTOR was Robert Byrd. Byrd was a Democrat senator up until 2010. He was also a Grand Kleagle in the KKK organizing a chapter in the 1940’s. Biden called black kids roaches in a campaign rally a few years ago. Biden said that black kids attending white school would turn them into racial jungles. KamalaTOE Harris even called him a racist during a debate before deciding that power was more important than staying out of bed with a racist. The real racist and you voted for him lol. Then you have the nerve to call us racists.

Democrats started the KKK… remember that. Democrats are the ones that see everything through the lens of race and sex. Your charge is nothing more than a confession.
 
I have more respect (which is virtually none) for the KKK, than I do for the MAGA cult.
Because you are the real racist. It’s why you supported Biden knowing that his mentor was a KKK Grand Kleagle lol.
 
But we all know which part is "THE" America. The one that saves everybody's ass when they get in trouble.
The one that all the others seek to come to even risking death during the journey.
 
I was going to respond the same way. Far too complicated for the average MAGA.
Funny how most of the leftist filth on this board don’t know their asses from a hole in the ground and regularly resort to running or personal attacks instead of debate.

To see you gloat is a ****ing joke lol.

You voted for Biden in 2020?
 
This is all you really needed to say.
MAGA is a group of patriots who wish to make America great again. To do this your leftist agenda needed to be dismantled. We elected a president capable of doing this. The country is being healed as we debate.

MAGA saved you from yourself bud. You should drop to your knees and thank us.
 
Funny how most of the leftist filth on this board don’t know their asses from a hole in the ground and regularly resort to running or personal attacks instead of debate.

To see you gloat is a ****ing joke lol.

You voted for Biden in 2020?
Yes. And Clinton and Harris. I new this guy was a POS the day he announced. He's only gotten much worse.
 
“MAGA” is a fraud, a lie, a deceit.

You bought snake oil.
You followed someone who is wholly dishonest.
You may have had good intentions.
So let’s parse this “MAGA” idea, shall we?

First Donald stole the slogan from Reagan. You guys know that, right?

Next up, what does this slogan say?

For one, it presumes a couple of things;
1 - That we WERE great at some point, but are no longer.
QUESTION: When were we great?
QUESTION: When did we stop being great?
QUESTION: Why did we stop being great?

2 - That we WILL be great again.
QUESTION: Because we elected Donald Trump?
That’a what the slogan says.
Did we become great while he was in office the first time?
Not by any rational metric, no, we did not.

No MAGA can answer these questions, btw. If they answer at all, it will be 1 of 10 different variants. They have no consistent answer. By design.

3 - That “America” is the United States. It is most certainly not. See below;

View attachment 67591574

See? We do not speak for "America", we can only speak for the USA.

Along with “America First” these misnomers only make the US look ignorant and arrogant.

So, “MAGA” is undefined, yet many people still cheerfully wear the stupid red hats.
While you are busy “owning the libs”, our cities are being militarized, the First Amendment is under threat, Congress has abdicated its responsibilities.
Trump is raking in billions from his crypto shenanigans, Melania is hawking tacky and expensive christmas ornaments, and Beavis and Butthead are still duncecaps.

What the hell is happening to our country?
Is this really what you want?
WAKE UP. It's not going well.

.

Lol, all the left has is to attack Trump and millions of voters. Do you expect to win the midterms with this campaign style again?
 
Yes. And Clinton and Harris. I new this guy was a POS the day he announced. He's only gotten much worse.
I knew he was a conman from his Apprentice days, but at the time he just seemed as the normal boisterous conman. I knew he was a POS from the moment he started to moan about Obama's birth certificate.
 
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