“It is beyond anything that could ever be imagined,”

[RealityNow]

'I Am Heartbroken': Returning Home to Devastation, With a Sense of Shock​

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“It is beyond anything that could ever be imagined,” he told ZDF television. “We have a very good flood protection system that we developed only five years ago. We were so certain that nothing can go wrong.”

Daniela Schmitz, who has a ranch in Erftstadt, a town southwest of Cologne, was relieved that her property was not destroyed by the floods and that her horses had been evacuated. Others, she said, weren’t that fortunate.

“We were warned early enough — other stables are not doing so well,” she wrote in a WhatsApp message. “Many animals have drowned, entire stalls destroyed, and feed is becoming scarce. The conditions are really catastrophic in many places.”

On Saturday, German television channels carried wall-to-wall coverage of the flooding, as rescue workers continued searching for those who had been trapped by rising waters, with 143 confirmed dead in Germany and hundreds still missing.
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Climate Change is REAL !!!

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[RealityNow]

Heatwaves/ Fires ...... Mudslides and Droughts.

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[Threegoofs]

Cue the denierpalooza.

 

[watsup]

Cue the denierpalooza.

The sad part is that these extreme weather events are gong to happen more and more. We are in the “canary in the coal mine” phase. The economic and environmental cost will be staggering. Just ask the insurance companies.

 

[Threegoofs]

The sad part is that these extreme weather events are gong to happen more and more. We are in the “canary in the coal mine” phase. The economic and environmental cost will be staggering. Just ask the insurance companies.

And according to deniers, they all have no relationship to what’s going on with the climate. Because they gotta deny deny deny.

 

[watsup]

And according to deniers, they all have no relationship to what’s going on with the climate. Because they gotta deny deny deny.

They keep saying “climate is not weather” without acknowledging that climate is the primary driver of weather. They are inextricably intertwined.

 

[longview]

I was reading an article about the flooding and the weather that cause it.
How weather patterns conspired for a flooding disaster in Germany

In the hardest-hit parts of Germany, two months’ worth of rain fell in 24 hours, according to the Deutscher Wetterdienst, Germany’s meteorological agency.
A map tweeted by the agency revealed that it was a 1-in-100-year deluge over a large swath of western Germany, or one that has just a 1 percent chance of occurring in any given year.

Numerous locations in western Germany received 5 to 7 inches of rain, with locally higher amounts, between Tuesday and Thursday.
Some of the most extreme downpours occurred Wednesday night into Thursday, when more than a half-foot of rain fell in less than 12 hours.

I read this and am thinking, 6 inches of rain in 12 hours, is about a 1 in 10 year event in Houston,
but is a lot of rain it the systems are not designed to handle it.
We also have to consider, what changes contribute to flooding, like land use, deforestation,
street drainages, ground cover ect.

 

[longview]

I found a paper from 2004 that puts this flood in perspective.
Extreme floods in central Europe over the past 500 years: Role of cyclone pathway “Zugstrasse Vb”

Fifteen class 3 events were found for the historical period. The July–August 1496 event was supported by reports about strong rainfall.
The Oder saw the August 1501 event (as did the Elbe), with one report relating it to huge rainfall at the end of that month.

Note: Historical period ~1500–1799
It sounds like, while rare, the weather pattern that cause the July floods is not unheard of and has happened fairly
often with higher frequency in the fifteenth century.

A maximum in flooding rate was reached (both rivers; both seasons; all classes) in the sixteenth century,
presumably in its latter half. Brázdil et al. [1999] studied floods in central and southwest European rivers and
found similar increases, which they attributed to higher precipitation.

 

[iguanaman]

I was reading an article about the flooding and the weather that cause it.
How weather patterns conspired for a flooding disaster in Germany


I read this and am thinking, 6 inches of rain in 12 hours, is about a 1 in 10 year event in Houston,
but is a lot of rain it the systems are not designed to handle it.
We also have to consider, what changes contribute to flooding, like land use, deforestation,
street drainages, ground cover ect.

Living in valleys surrounded by mountains makes them vulnerable to weather events like this. The warming climate makes more precipitable water in these storms while the weakening jet stream behaves more erratically and tend to stick in place more too. We have been living in a "Goldilocks" era of climate where everything was in balance and AGW is ending that era.

 

[longview]

Living in valleys surrounded by mountains makes them vulnerable to weather events like this. The warming climate makes more precipitable water in these storms while the weakening jet stream behaves more erratically and tend to stick in place more too. We have been living in a "Goldilocks" era of climate where everything was in balance and AGW is ending that era.

I agree that our weather and climate has been amazingly mild in our lifetimes, but the cause of
of our mild climate ending may or may not have anything to do with Human activity.
Quote from the paper posted in #8,

In the case of summer floods, correlation analysis shows a significant, but weak, relation between flood occurrence and meridional airflow, compatible with a “Zugstrasse Vb” weather situation.

The weather pattern had a name even 2004.

 

[iguanaman]

I agree that our weather and climate has been amazingly mild in our lifetimes, but the cause of
of our mild climate ending may or may not have anything to do with Human activity.
Quote from the paper posted in #8,

The weather pattern had a name even 2004.

AGW certainly is providing more precipitable water in the air and effecting the jet stream in negative ways. These things are undeniable.

 

[longview]

AGW certainly is providing more precipitable water in the air and effecting the jet stream in negative ways. These things are undeniable.

The weather patter has been around for hundreds of years.
Yes the rainfall amount was unusual, but not unpresented, perhaps a 1 in 100 year event.
This could of course been made worse by plenty of Human activity, like roads, buildings,
basically anything that covers the ground with a less than permeable layer.

 

[Helix]

I want to be a climate change CTer for a minute.. here goes.

It was probably a sunspot, and would have been even worse without all of the protective CO2 in the air. *revs hummer with straight pipes.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Siberia is also the driest in 150 years that have contributed to massive wild fires.

Fires rage across Siberia amid dryest summer for 150 years

Officials say more than 6,500 emergency workers have been scrambled to tackle the wildfires across Russia.

www.euronews.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

The sad part is that these extreme weather events are gong to happen more and more. We are in the “canary in the coal mine” phase. The economic and environmental cost will be staggering. Just ask the insurance companies.

I doubt that is the case, at least not by CO2. That is but a small factor. Before several unusual climate events this year, we have has some large solar flares strike the earth. This one occurred a bit ago:

Largest solar flare in four years hits Earth | The National

The phenomenon caused short-wave radio blackouts along the Atlantic coast

www.thenationalnews.com

Solar flares charge the atmosphere electrically, disrupt the earths magnetic field, and do alter the weather when large enough.

Land use changes are probably the largest contributor to the flooding.Over time, we cap of more and more land. Channel rainwater that would have normally been absorbed by the land, into storm sewers, where they directly dump into rivers and streams.

I read that only 15% of the natural floodplains exist now in the Rhine River Basin.

Every bridge crossing down the course of the Rhine adds resistance to the natural flow of water. That a pretty long path of water, with lots of added impedance. If you look at google maps, you will see they have channeled the water in to the width of the river with levees. This also adds resistance to the flow of large volumes of water, and it will get higher downstream.

Yes, greenhouse gasses contribute a little. But I will contend that even at 280 ppm, we would have seen a disastrous flooding with the land use changes we made, and the possibility the latest solar flare contributed as well.

What bothers me the most, is any time we have some unusual event, the same people keep blaming "climate change" induced by us, but they don't specify how. They just let everyone assume its because of CO2.

Yes, more flooding in the new normal. But primarily because we have taken away the natural capacity for rivers to flow at the volumes they need to.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I was reading an article about the flooding and the weather that cause it.
How weather patterns conspired for a flooding disaster in Germany


I read this and am thinking, 6 inches of rain in 12 hours, is about a 1 in 10 year event in Houston,
but is a lot of rain it the systems are not designed to handle it.
We also have to consider, what changes contribute to flooding, like land use, deforestation,
street drainages, ground cover ect.

Yep. See my previous post.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Siberia is also the driest in 150 years that have contributed to massive wild fires.

Fires rage across Siberia amid dryest summer for 150 years

Officials say more than 6,500 emergency workers have been scrambled to tackle the wildfires across Russia.

www.euronews.com

Yes, the jet streams change. It is normal for some place to be wetter and other drier at the same time. Just like it is normal for some places to be hotter and other colder at the same time.

This is normal cyclical activity.

 

[swing_voter]

Welcome to Missouri. Happens every year.

 

[Glitch]

I doubt that is the case, at least not by CO2. That is but a small factor. Before several unusual climate events this year, we have has some large solar flares strike the earth. This one occurred a bit ago:

Largest solar flare in four years hits Earth | The National

The phenomenon caused short-wave radio blackouts along the Atlantic coast

www.thenationalnews.com

Solar flares charge the atmosphere electrically, disrupt the earths magnetic field, and do alter the weather when large enough.

No, they do not alter the weather, at any size.

First, it would have to be greater than an X-40 CME before any of the charged particles could reach the surface of the planet. This was an X-15 solar flare event. Which means none of those charged particles would get within 300 miles of the surface of the planet and therefore could not have any effect on the weather whatsoever.

The worst case scenario would be another 1859 Carrington Event, which would act like a planet-wide EMP. While that would certainly screw up all our electronics, it would have absolutely no impact on the weather.

Land use changes are probably the largest contributor to the flooding.Over time, we cap of more and more land. Channel rainwater that would have normally been absorbed by the land, into storm sewers, where they directly dump into rivers and streams.

I read that only 15% of the natural floodplains exist now in the Rhine River Basin.

Every bridge crossing down the course of the Rhine adds resistance to the natural flow of water. That a pretty long path of water, with lots of added impedance. If you look at google maps, you will see they have channeled the water in to the width of the river with levees. This also adds resistance to the flow of large volumes of water, and it will get higher downstream.

Yes, greenhouse gasses contribute a little. But I will contend that even at 280 ppm, we would have seen a disastrous flooding with the land use changes we made, and the possibility the latest solar flare contributed as well.

What bothers me the most, is any time we have some unusual event, the same people keep blaming "climate change" induced by us, but they don't specify how. They just let everyone assume its because of CO2.

Yes, more flooding in the new normal. But primarily because we have taken away the natural capacity for rivers to flow at the volumes they need to.

It certainly doesn't help when they build their cities in the flood-plain of a river, or in this particular case, the flood-plain of two connecting rivers, the Rhine and Ahr rivers. That is like building a coastal city that is below sea level, and then wondering why it gets flooded during a storm.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No, they do not alter the weather, at any size.

I've seen papers that say otherwise.

 

[flogger]

Siberia is also the driest in 150 years that have contributed to massive wild fires.

Fires rage across Siberia amid dryest summer for 150 years

Officials say more than 6,500 emergency workers have been scrambled to tackle the wildfires across Russia.

www.euronews.com

Just out of curiosity who was recording climate in any way shape or form in Yakutia Siberia 150 years ago given few people in that remote region could even read or write at that time ?

 

[watsup]

I doubt that is the case, at least not by CO2. That is but a small factor. Before several unusual climate events this year, we have has some large solar flares strike the earth. This one occurred a bit ago:

Largest solar flare in four years hits Earth | The National

The phenomenon caused short-wave radio blackouts along the Atlantic coast

www.thenationalnews.com

Solar flares charge the atmosphere electrically, disrupt the earths magnetic field, and do alter the weather when large enough.

Land use changes are probably the largest contributor to the flooding.Over time, we cap of more and more land. Channel rainwater that would have normally been absorbed by the land, into storm sewers, where they directly dump into rivers and streams.

I read that only 15% of the natural floodplains exist now in the Rhine River Basin.

Every bridge crossing down the course of the Rhine adds resistance to the natural flow of water. That a pretty long path of water, with lots of added impedance. If you look at google maps, you will see they have channeled the water in to the width of the river with levees. This also adds resistance to the flow of large volumes of water, and it will get higher downstream.

Yes, greenhouse gasses contribute a little. But I will contend that even at 280 ppm, we would have seen a disastrous flooding with the land use changes we made, and the possibility the latest solar flare contributed as well.

What bothers me the most, is any time we have some unusual event, the same people keep blaming "climate change" induced by us, but they don't specify how. They just let everyone assume its because of CO2.

Yes, more flooding in the new normal. But primarily because we have taken away the natural capacity for rivers to flow at the volumes they need to.

I already posted a science-based article sometime ago hat showed that climate scientists have found that solar flares are a very minor factor in global warming/climate change.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

Just out of curiosity who was recording climate in any way shape or form in Yakutia Siberia 150 years ago given few people in that remote region could even read or write at that time ?

The region have been part of Russia since he early-mid 17th century and even sparsely populated of course had Russian officials living there. Also you have so much evidence including paleoclimate evidence for the extreme warming from human emissions of C02.

Evidence - NASA Science

Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of

climate.nasa.gov

There that warming leads to that extreme weather gets more common all across the world. Like for example the flooding in China.

At Least 25 People Killed In China’s Henan Province In Worst Flooding In 1,000 Years

The torrents washed away cars and left people trapped in a flooded subway system as one month’s worth of rain fell in just one day.

www.forbes.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

I already posted a science-based article sometime ago hat showed that climate scientists have found that solar flares are a very minor factor in global warming/climate change.

At least now you admit they have an effect.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The region have been part of Russia since he early-mid 17th century and even sparsely populated of course had Russian officials living there. Also you have so much evidence including paleoclimate evidence for the extreme warming from human emissions of C02.

Evidence - NASA Science

Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of

climate.nasa.gov

There that warming leads to that extreme weather gets more common all across the world. Like for example the flooding in China.

At Least 25 People Killed In China’s Henan Province In Worst Flooding In 1,000 Years

The torrents washed away cars and left people trapped in a flooded subway system as one month’s worth of rain fell in just one day.

www.forbes.com

Why do they obly go back 1,300 years? Could it be that maybe 1,500 years it was worse than today?