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Patients are getting ominous warnings in their mail and inboxes: They are about to lose insurance coverage of their doctors.
The threatening letters and emails have sent patients reeling. Unsure what to make of it all, they are flooding doctors with calls asking questions, snapping up appointments with the physicians and taking to social media to complain.
The patients are caught in the middle of unusually fierce and public contract disputes this year.
Sparring in New York City are health insurers such as giants UnitedHealthcare and Aetna, which pay for medical care, and big-name hospital systems like NewYork-Presbyterian and Mount Sinai Health System seeking more money for the treatment provided by their doctors.
Hospital systems treating patients and the health insurers who pay for the care have often wrangled over the terms of their next contract, and contentious disputes have sometimes spilled over into public threats of lost coverage.
Yet the standoffs, which are also taking place from Arizona to Ohio, have gained in number and intensity this year, according to industry experts.
Higher labor costs have prompted hospitals to insist on bigger payments. Adding to the hardened positions of some hospitals is new pricing data, which became public in 2021 and 2022 and can show that rivals are getting better terms.
Patients’ growing use of medical care following a pandemic lull has increased costs for insurers, however, and raised pressure from Wall Street to keep a lid on spending.
For the increasing numbers of patients pulled into the brinkmanship, the risk is creating anxiety.
If hospitals and insurance companies fail to agree on a contract, patients can lose not only some or even all of their health plan’s coverage, but they may also pay a doctor’s higher, non-negotiated rates.
The problem with the health care system here in this part of Canada is we have a shortage of doctors. Like every other profession. The baby boomer demographic bubble is retiring, leaving the profession, and in the medical field this is coming when the elderly are 1- becoming a higher percentage of the population and 2- living longer thus needing care longer.Try Canada's health care system. Or Britain's? Or Germany's. Or France's. Or Australian's. Or just about anywhere in the world where "socialist" have found ways of providing universal health care while American families still go broke from not being able to pay their bills.
Don't know where you live but where I live in Ontario, we have plenty of doctors now, all from India. I don't care where they come from, and I have found they are more attentive than our oldtimers.The problem with the health care system here in this part of Canada is we have a shortage of doctors. Like every other profession. The baby boomer demographic bubble is retiring, leaving the profession, and in the medical field this is coming when the elderly are 1- becoming a higher percentage of the population and 2- living longer thus needing care longer.
My wife's doctor moved last year and she has to rely on one of the other doctors working at that clinic having some time to squeeze her in.
But you're right, affordability is not an issue. We live on fixed-income pensions and never have to decide whether we should go to the doctor or not. Must suck, having to forgo medical attention because you can't afford it.
Once again, single payer is a potential solution.
The for profit insurance industry is certainly a massive lobbying obstacle. They will fight single payer tooth and nail if it ever becomes a possibility.Certainly it would get rid of this system of individual negotiations going on in every market between health care providers and insurers. But new negotiations (namely, lobbying) tend to take their place when the ultimate source of the funds becomes public spending. We see that today in Medicare.
In Fight Over Medicare Payments, the Hospital Lobby Shows Its Strength - KFF Health News
Medicare pays hospitals about double what it pays other providers for the same services. The hospital lobby is fighting hard to make sure a switch to "site-neutral payments” doesn't become law.kffhealthnews.org Lawmakers eye partial increase for Medicare doctor pay
Lawmakers are considering increasing doctors’ Medicare pay in an upcoming government funding package, five sources told STAT.www.statnews.com Let the Medicare Advantage lobbying begin
The big takeaway from CMS’ newest proposals for Medicare Advantage: the Biden administration didn’t want to rock the boat in an election year.www.statnews.com
Or makes the problem worse.Once again, single payer is a potential solution.
Insurance companies set the patient's premiums and co-pays. The insurance companies also determine the fees paid to providers. The insurance companies also decide which procedures are covered. And nobody sees a conflict here?
No. They will love single payer. Who do you think manages Medicare and Medicaid?The for profit insurance industry is certainly a massive lobbying obstacle. They will fight single payer tooth and nail if it ever becomes a possibility.
Or makes the problem worse.
You have to recognize that it's tge government insurances..Medicare and Medicaid that are leading the charge on reducing reimbursement.
I get paid less per patient visit now..than I did in 2004.
Do you think my costs have dropped.?
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) finalized a 3.37% cut in Medicare physician payment in the Calendar Year 2024 Medicare Physician Fee Schedule (MPFS) final rule in November,.
How can you justify that and not expect a problem with care?
How long can our overburdened medical system take financial hits before it collapses?Certainly it would get rid of this system of individual negotiations going on in every market between health care providers and insurers. But new negotiations (namely, lobbying) tend to take their place when the ultimate source of the funds becomes public spending. We see that today in Medicare.
In Fight Over Medicare Payments, the Hospital Lobby Shows Its Strength - KFF Health News
Medicare pays hospitals about double what it pays other providers for the same services. The hospital lobby is fighting hard to make sure a switch to "site-neutral payments” doesn't become law.kffhealthnews.org Lawmakers eye partial increase for Medicare doctor pay
Lawmakers are considering increasing doctors’ Medicare pay in an upcoming government funding package, five sources told STAT.www.statnews.com Let the Medicare Advantage lobbying begin
The big takeaway from CMS’ newest proposals for Medicare Advantage: the Biden administration didn’t want to rock the boat in an election year.www.statnews.com
"Lawmakers are considering increasing doctors’ Medicare pay in an upcoming government funding package, but their policy would only partially offset cuts providers saw earlier this year, three lobbyists and two sources familiar with the talks told STAT."Two posts back and that's being discussed.
Lawmakers eye partial increase for Medicare doctor pay
Lawmakers are considering increasing doctors’ Medicare pay in an upcoming government funding package, five sources told STAT.www.statnews.com
I work for half price due to a variety of circumstances. We'll all figure it out.Or makes the problem worse.
You have to recognize that it's tge government insurances..Medicare and Medicaid that are leading the charge on reducing reimbursement.
I get paid less per patient visit now..than I did in 2004.
Do you think my costs have dropped.?
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) finalized a 3.37% cut in Medicare physician payment in the Calendar Year 2024 Medicare Physician Fee Schedule (MPFS) final rule in November,.
How can you justify that and not expect a problem with care?
Exactly. Which will have dire consequences for healthcare in this country.I work for half price due to a variety of circumstances. We'll all figure it out.
I keep going to work and doing the best I can. I'm angry about the circumstances, but that's just the way it goes.Exactly. Which will have dire consequences for healthcare in this country.
My fellow healthcare providers are just quitting ..I keep going to work and doing the best I can. I'm angry about the circumstances, but that's just the way it goes.
People quit sometimes. I've seen a lot of it lately. When you realize that you're effectively making less than you did ten years ago, it tends to piss you off.My fellow healthcare providers are just quitting ..
But that's just the way it goes..
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Healthcare worker exodus continued through 2022, new data shows
Physicians accounted for nearly half of departures from 2021 through 2022, with staffing shortages putting care quality at risk, according to a new report from Definitive Healthcare.
Healthcare worker exodus continued through 2022, new data shows
Physicians accounted for nearly half of departures from 2021 through 2022, with staffing shortages putting care quality at risk, according to a new report from Definitive Healthcare.www.healthcaredive.com
Which means poorer care..longer wait times..less time per patient..People quit sometimes. I've seen a lot of it lately. When you realize that you're effectively making less than you did ten years ago, it tends to piss you off.
I just saw a good job offer in Scotland that I'd take if I were a doctor and didn't have elderly relatives that I want to see more than once every five years.Which means poorer care..longer wait times..less time per patient..
Oh well..
It's not like we could all tell our representatives to stop trying to bend over the people that provide our heathcare. .
So the rest of the industrialized world has not figured this out? They all treat healthcare like infrastructure while we continue to treat it like a commodity. If you can't afford it for whatever reason, well it sucks to be you.Or makes the problem worse.
You have to recognize that it's tge government insurances..Medicare and Medicaid that are leading the charge on reducing reimbursement.
I get paid less per patient visit now..than I did in 2004.
Do you think my costs have dropped.?
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) finalized a 3.37% cut in Medicare physician payment in the Calendar Year 2024 Medicare Physician Fee Schedule (MPFS) final rule in November,.
How can you justify that and not expect a problem with care?
Well depends in what you mean by " figured it out".So the rest of the industrialized world has not figured this out? They all treat healthcare like infrastructure while we continue to treat it like a commodity. If you can't afford it for whatever reason, well it sucks to be you.
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