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‘Terrified of losing their rights’: abortion is a leading issue for Arizona’s Latino voters

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‘Terrified of losing their rights’: abortion is a leading issue for Arizona’s Latino voters

Organizers hope those disillusioned by electoral politics will vote with an eye on abortion rights after fall of Roe
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The conventional political wisdom was that Latino voters – many of whom are religious – opposed abortion access. That has never squared with Terán’s experience. “I go to mass and I believe in a woman’s right to choose,” she said.

But during this election cycle – perhaps more than ever before – the issue could be a decisive factor for Latino voters in Arizona. Longtime political operatives, progressive Latino organizers and Latino candidates like Terán say they’ve seen it compel even those who have grown disillusioned by electoral politics.
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Arizona is a swing state, and abortion rights could be the issue that swings the state blue again.
 
I've seen such stories for a while now and yet I am not seeing any actual movement in the polls:


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Phys251 said:
www.theguardian.com

‘Terrified of losing their rights’: abortion is a leading issue for Arizona’s Latino voters

Organizers hope those disillusioned by electoral politics will vote with an eye on abortion rights after fall of Roe
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Arizona is a swing state, and abortion rights could be the issue that swings the state blue again.
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It isn't just Latino women that are scared of losing rights. And it isn't just abortion right that get lost if abortion is made illegal.

If a woman's reproductive life is controlled by someone else she has lost control over planning the rest of her reproductive life. Being pregnant takes a year of concentration on the pregnancy, birth, nursing and early life of the infant. If less than a year is allotted the child will suffer unless the family is wealthy enough to hire expensive help. The number of unplanned pregnancies will increase if abortion is banned. With each additional pregnancy it takes a year + to focus on the birth and on the already born family. And the expense increases because of the added number of children.

In any job, experience counts. Experience gives one the kind of knowledge and confidence that leads to promotions. Taking years out to focus on childbearing and rearing eliminates that uninterrupted accumulation of experience and ease with the job that lead to promotion.


Managers do not take kindly to pregnancies planned or unplanned. But if a woman is able to plan for child birth she can plan her future with a job and a family and let the employer know in plenty of time . Without that control she is at the mercy of unintended pregnancies, unknown number of pregnancies and jobs in which she will never progress.

Along with the threat of banning abortion is the threat against access to birth control making the ability to plan for ones future almost impossible.

A lot more than just abortion is on the table.
 
Slavister said:
See those bands around each line?



If it's tied, then Trump is in trouble? Why?

According to some research I had read, polls tend to underappreciate R strengths historically - more so than D.
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There is a problem with polls that over-appreciate both R and D strengths.

On Biden v Trump, for example, polls are usually done on registered voters, not likely voters, but not all registered voters vote and not all likely voters are already registered, because there are new voters and voters who moved and have to re-register. Biden often out-polls Trump slightly on likely voters whereas Trump out-polls Biden slightly on registered voters or a poll without concern for either registration or likely voting.

It used to be that Republicans were under-appreciated, but the above is what I've seen recently.
 
choiceone said:
... Biden often out-polls Trump slightly on likely voters whereas Trump out-polls Biden slightly on registered voters ...
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538 accounts for it: "... Whereas polls of all registered voters or all adults usually overstate the performance of Democratic candidates, polls of likely voters have had almost no long-term bias.
This represents one difference between FiveThirtyEight’s Senate projections and several other forecast models. Our program “translates” registered voter polls to make them equivalent to likely voter results. With some exceptions, other forecast models do not. This is one reason the FiveThirtyEight model tends to show a more favorable outcome for Republicans.
And history is on our side..."
 
Phys251 said:
www.theguardian.com

‘Terrified of losing their rights’: abortion is a leading issue for Arizona’s Latino voters

Organizers hope those disillusioned by electoral politics will vote with an eye on abortion rights after fall of Roe
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com



Arizona is a swing state, and abortion rights could be the issue that swings the state blue again.
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I'm thinking abortion is going to be bigger than anyone thought. I get the impression American women are quietly seething.

Or, maybe, that's just wishful thinking.

I DO WISH the women of America would develop a spine. When the likes of MTG is the most recognized American female politician you're in trouble. She's poison!
 
Fearandloathing said:
I'm thinking abortion is going to be bigger than anyone thought. I get the impression American women are quietly seething.
Or, maybe, that's just wishful thinking.
I DO WISH the women of America would develop a spine. When the likes of MTG is the most recognized American female politician you're in trouble. She's poison!
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I hope you are right that women's reproductive rights will be a big issue in the next election, but mostly all I have heard is individual voices of concern. I've not seen much organized political action and women really do need to have someone other than MTG be the default representative for women.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I'm thinking abortion is going to be bigger than anyone thought. I get the impression American women are quietly seething.

Or, maybe, that's just wishful thinking.

I DO WISH the women of America would develop a spine. When the likes of MTG is the most recognized American female politician you're in trouble. She's poison!
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You are correct. I'm in several really large groups of women who are actively planning to vote straight Dem tickets come November. It's bipartisan as well.
That's the polling issue people are seeing. Women who are in families that do not understand are silent voters. You'll see, as we already have, the numbers will be big, and I mean seat changing big.

We have not forgotten, we've just grown like a a tumbling weed.
 
Slavister said:
538 accounts for it: "... Whereas polls of all registered voters or all adults usually overstate the performance of Democratic candidates, polls of likely voters have had almost no long-term bias.
This represents one difference between FiveThirtyEight’s Senate projections and several other forecast models. Our program “translates” registered voter polls to make them equivalent to likely voter results. With some exceptions, other forecast models do not. This is one reason the FiveThirtyEight model tends to show a more favorable outcome for Republicans.
And history is on our side..."
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Great! You just keep thinking like that!
 

Arizona Women Gear Up to Challenge Near-Total Abortion Ban in Upcoming Election​

4/26/2024 by SYDNEY GALLEGO

While we cannot snap our fingers and change the dynamic at the U.S. or Arizona Supreme Court, we can make our voices heard at the ballot box.​


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Members of Arizona for Abortion Access, the ballot initiative to enshrine abortion rights in the Arizona Constitution, hold a press conference and protest condemning the 1864 abortion ban on April 17, 2024 in Phoenix. (Rebecca Noble / Getty Images)
Update May 3 at 9:05 a.m. PT: In Arizona, after weeks of delay, the state Senate finally voted to repeal the state’s 1864 abortion ban. The Senate is Republican-controlled—all 11 Democrats and two of the 19 Republicans joined them to vote to repeal the ban. However, because the legislature did not add an emergency provision, the ban will stay in place before the repeal takes effect—meaning that there is going to be a window where abortion is fully banned in the state. Advocates, including Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs, are hoping that the state’s Supreme Court delays the implementation of the ban in order to reduce or eliminate this window.
“Arizona women should not have to live in a state where politicians make decisions that should be between a woman and her doctor,” Hobbs said in a statement. “While this repeal is essential for protecting women’s lives, it is just the beginning of our fight to protect reproductive healthcare in Arizona. I will continue to call on the legislature to pass the Arizona Right to Contraception Act and protect [in vitro fertilization] from ongoing attacks. And I encourage every Arizonan to make their voices heard this November when abortion rights will be on the ballot.”

Tuesday, April 9, 2024, will go down in history. It is the day that far-right extremists got what they wanted in Arizona: a near-total ban on abortion. It is the day the Arizona Supreme Court turned the clock back 160 years—to a time before women could vote and before Arizona was even a state. It is a day that we will look back on with shame and horror.

This helped remind Arizona's women what will come if we lay down! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^




Our youth also care about this.
Abortion Ranks Among Top Issues for Young Women Voters
 
Abortion will be on the ballot in AZ, they have more than enough signatures, and it will be certified soon. It will pass, and it will bring out a lot of voters, same with voters who don't want Krazi Kari Lake.
 
Ginger Ale said:
You are correct. I'm in several really large groups of women who are actively planning to vote straight Dem tickets come November. It's bipartisan as well.
That's the polling issue people are seeing. Women who are in families that do not understand are silent voters. You'll see, as we already have, the numbers will be big, and I mean seat changing big.

We have not forgotten, we've just grown like a a tumbling weed.
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Oh, I so hope you are right!
 
Ginger Ale said:
You are correct. I'm in several really large groups of women who are actively planning to vote straight Dem tickets come November. It's bipartisan as well.
That's the polling issue people are seeing. Women who are in families that do not understand are silent voters. You'll see, as we already have, the numbers will be big, and I mean seat changing big.

We have not forgotten, we've just grown like a a tumbling weed.
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Canadian politicians were astonished when Canadian woman, normally quite docile (then) on the political scene, allowing the abortion fight to be carried by Dr. Herny Morganthaler and his abortion technique (a vacuum) with arrests, equipment seizures, charges and extremely well publicized trials in Montreal.

Canadian women were a whisper in the wilderness, until the Supreme Court of Canada struck down a portion of Canada's health act dealing with abortion. Instead of changing the law, the conservative government of the day, completely unaware of the growing abortion issue, stupidly called an election.

The abortion aspect of the Canada health Act was never amended. By then, NO party had the guts to even think about it. Thus Canada has NO abortion legislation at all. It is entirely up to a woman and her doctor! Protected by stiff privacy laws!

By then the women of Canada had put down their hockey sticks and had taken to the streets.

NO GOVERNMENT since has allowed even a partial discussion on abortion law.

Women of America here this! They are afraid of you! United across party lines on a single issue you are the winner.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Canadian politicians were astonished when Canadian woman, normally quite docile (then) on the political scene, allowing the abortion fight to be carried by Dr. Herny Morganthaler and his abortion technique (a vacuum) with arrests, equipment seizures, charges and extremely well publicized trials in Montreal.

Canadian women were a whisper in the wilderness, until the Supreme Court of Canada struck down a portion of Canada's health act dealing with abortion. Instead of changing the law, the conservative government of the day, completely unaware of the growing abortion issue, stupidly called an election.

The abortion aspect of the Canada health Act was never amended. By then, NO party had the guts to even think about it. Thus Canada has NO abortion legislation at all. It is entirely up to a woman and her doctor! Protected by stiff privacy laws!

By then the women of Canada had put down their hockey sticks and had taken to the streets.

NO GOVERNMENT since has allowed even a partial discussion on abortion law.

Women of America here this! They are afraid of you! United across party lines on a single issue you are the winner.
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Amazing!!!!!
 
Gordy327 said:
That's how it should be. Especially in the US.
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The same is emerging with assisted suicide. Many of our hospitals are administrated by religions institutions and try to ban assisted suicide.

The courts have begun shutting doors on who knows, and leaning on the protection of communication between a doctor and a patient is absolutely protected under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as specific as you could get in the mid 1980's.

My doc has assured me (I am 75, 3 heart conditions, type 2, migraine prone) that when it's time it will be me and him...no one will know. Kind of comforting to know; a good friend of 50 years and a hand shake...
 
Fearandloathing said:
The same is emerging with assisted suicide. Many of our hospitals are administrated by religions institutions and try to ban assisted suicide.
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I've always said religion is the problem.
 
Gordy327 said:
I've always said religion is the problem.
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The world's worst.

All crime stems from need or greed.

The bible creates barriers through race and rules. Often the rules have some basis in cleanliness but most have at least an underpinning of behavior.

Go back to the cave. The biggest brute as in charge until fire. Then it was the guy who could make and/or keep fire. Then someone who wasn't any of that decided HE understood why there was fire...and that only he knew.

Later, he claimed that power allowed him to know here the fish would be. Some of these 'leaders' were lucky and became head of the clan. Some guess wrong and lost their heads. "Natural selection" at work.

Eventually this guy was able to explain why it rained sometimes and not others and when it was time to move up river or down.

In time this became a set of rules and practices that were beneficial to the people so they accepted the yoke of laws, rituals and so forth. Sometimes the leader himself became the god and great pyramids were built to them.

Bu its always been about control. Own a man's fears and you own him and his descendants.

Josef Stalin took a lot of advice from the Catholic church
 
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