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Also, why are the heads of those unions visiting the White House so often?
What could they possibly be discussing?
I don't now how you can say that.
Ruh roh! Tin foil hat alert, Tin foil hat alert!Also, why are the heads of those unions visiting the White House so often? What could they possibly be discussing?
read your own posts pretty easy to tell that you do not believe in freedom of association in the work place.
you do not believe in workers rights etc ...
in fact you go as far as ad homineming people that do not follow the way you think they should go.
so no you evidently don't believe in those things.
read your own posts pretty easy to tell that you do not believe in freedom of association in the work place.
you do not believe in workers rights etc ...
in fact you go as far as ad homineming people that do not follow the way you think they should go.
so no you evidently don't believe in those things.
Worker's right is a blanket statement for corporate rights. Who really is making out when workers don't have to pay (at the very least) an association fee for things they must receive via the union? The workers who have to pick up double/triple the cost are not making out and often decide to opt out as their freeloader friends have decided to do. Who can blame them? It takes resources away from unions which is really the whole push for such laws.
Ruh roh! Tin foil hat alert, Tin foil hat alert!Incoming conspiracy theory, clear all Area 51 airspace, incoming conspiracy theory!
Freedom of association is the freedom to form and join a union. People have worked hard for generations to ensure that you havve weekends off, a good wage, and benefits. Would you go into a Catholic church and demand a protestant service? By your logic that is what you would do. You're being contrarian simply because you don't like unions. I can guarantee you that with the unions in those shops wages and bennies would not be near where they are today.
and the strawman. nope not blanket statement at all. workers have the right to join the union or not join the union and have the right to a hostile free work place. they have the right of freedom of association not matter what it is.
nope no freeloaders the union doesn't own the job. it isn't the unions job to give away but the compainies job. they are not free loaders but employee's of the company that have agreed to their own contracts of employment.
they evidently don't feel that the union can help them in any way and in fact hurts them more than helps them.
ad hominem is not an argument and only shows what a failure your actual argument is.
Freedom of association is the freedom to form and join a union. People have worked hard for generations to ensure that you have weekends off, a good wage, and benefits. Would you go into a Catholic church and demand a protestant service? By your logic that is what you would do. You're being contrarian simply because you don't like unions. I can guarantee you that with the unions in those shops wages and bennies would not be near where they are today.
You can believe in fairy tales too if you want
But they don't have their own contracts. They use the same contracts as their union counterpart. If the push was really to allow individuals to negotiate their own wages and benefits etc....then why isn't that the case??? Because that IS NOT the real reason these people are not part of the union. They are part of the union because everything the union negotiated and won for its workers is received by them too. They just don't have to pay. They also are allowed union representation if something goes wrong which is paid for by their union counterparts. How unfair is that? The people who thought this law through were pretty smart in that this law is designed to divide and conquer.
The job is subject to a contract between the union and the company. The best description is that both entities own the job. In fact, since a union contract typically stipulates that the company will hire union employees, or at least that the union will represent the employees, it actually probably is more of a union job than a company job. Of course since the company can downsize or upsize or simply close, they do have some control on the number of jobs available.[...] nope no freeloaders the union doesn't own the job. it isn't the unions job to give away but the compainies job.
They have agreed to the employment contract shared between the company and the union. Each employee does not have "their own contract" -- that's preposterous. If your argument depends upon making stuff up, you need to be more creative.they are not free loaders but employee's of the company that have agreed to their own contracts of employment.[...]
yeah, i hear the unions and their supporters say that all the time.....it's primarily a scare tactic " if we don't represent you, they'll cut your pay and make your 8 year old son work in the mines", but there is some effect on other wages, to be sure... to what extent?... who knows?
I think they have a very real hand in labor shortages in conjunction with their contracts , though... which is a fine way to artificially inflate wages, if you're into manipulating markets.
union, today, are primarily in the public sector( govt, and govt contractors)... that's their stronghold....they can't negotiate wages/benefits in govt (thank god)... they are utterly useless in the very "industry" they have a stranglehold on.
anymore, i'm starting to believe the primary purpose of the unions is self preservation, followed by electing Democrats to office, followed by creating huge non-taxable slush funds .... workers come in around #10 or #12 ( the behavior and arguments of the pro-unionists around here attest to that fact)
Also, why are the heads of those unions visiting the White House so often?
What could they possibly be discussing?
yeah, i hear the unions and their supporters say that all the time.....it's primarily a scare tactic " if we don't represent you, they'll cut your pay and make your 8 year old son work in the mines", but there is some effect on other wages, to be sure... to what extent?... who knows?
I think they have a very real hand in labor shortages in conjunction with their contracts , though... which is a fine way to artificially inflate wages, if you're into manipulating markets.
union, today, are primarily in the public sector( govt, and govt contractors)... that's their stronghold....they can't negotiate wages/benefits in govt (thank god)... they are utterly useless in the very "industry" they have a stranglehold on.
anymore, i'm starting to believe the primary purpose of the unions is self preservation, followed by electing Democrats to office, followed by creating huge non-taxable slush funds .... workers come in around #10 or #12 ( the behavior and arguments of the pro-unionists around here attest to that fact)
The objective of right to work is to allow small business operators to operate their business, without being forced to join a union.
e.g. if you're an electrician and you want to start your own business--one man operation--you don't have to join a union and rightfully so.
Since no one can be forced to join a union in non right-to-work states your argument fails.The objective of right to work is to allow small business operators to operate their business, without being forced to join a union. [...]
Unions vs. Rich Businessmen: Who Funds the Democrats? | Mother Jones
All the while, labor union PAC contributions hovered between $59 million and $73 million, typically with 90 percent or more of those dollars supporting Democrats each election cycle, according to the Center's research.
Unions fuel Democratic Party financially | The Daily Caller
Republicans (the tools of capitalist business) want that to happen. The disempowerment of labor to the benefit of big business is their goal (i.e., it is what they are paid by big business to do).Look at the wages and working conditions in the countries that ban labor unions and you'll see what happens when workers are powerless.
Where did you get this information from? Please give me your evidence.
You don't already know that?
Since no one can be forced to join a union in non right-to-work states your argument fails.
We all know what the objective of right-to-work laws are to deprive unions of money (the agency fee), and, I suspect, to have a snowball effect (prompt current union employees to renounce their membership so that they, too, can 'free ride' to the extend that the union collapses and goes out of business). I'm sure we can all agree that this is a political goal (union elimination, to the detriment of Democrats), rather than any actual concern about the workers.
I'll take this as a I'm pulling stuff out of the ether.
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