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‘It Feels Like the CDC Is Over’

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I feel this may be the case. RFK Jr. is running roughshod over anyone who isn't on board with his kook science and anti-vax theories.

So what about future presidencies, why wouldn't they just restore the CDC and other such agencies back to their proper purpose? Well, after this, who would want to work for an organization where you can be fired on the whims of crazy conspiracy theorists? Because I don't think our country to going to go back to a level of normalcy anytime in the future. It seems like we are becoming dumber and more ignorant with time, not less. So real experts might be OK under some presidents but in danger of unemployment under another not because of a lack of expertise, but for not getting with the current agenda.

www.theatlantic.com

‘It Feels Like the CDC Is Over’

The CDC’s departing leaders discuss the agency’s future—or lack thereof.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is coming undone. The
White House announced last night that it had ousted the agency’s newly
sworn-in director, Susan Monarez, whose lawyers insist that she still has
her job because only President Donald Trump himself can fire her. (Yes,
it’s a mess.) Four top officials resigned yesterday. Two of them—Demetre
Daskalakis, who was the director of the National Center for Immunization
and Respiratory Diseases, and Debra Houry, who was the chief medical
officer—told me that the group quit together to signal that they believe
science is being ignored and that public health is in danger.

The departures leave a leadership void that, according to current and former
CDC officials, has demoralized the agency’s staff and will further undermine
its ability to provide reliable guidance to Americans. As Lakshmi
Panagiotakopoulos, who resigned from the agency in June as co-leader of a
group that advises outside experts on COVID vaccines, told me, “It feels like
the CDC is over.”

I spoke with Daskalakis this morning just before he and Houry were escorted
from the CDC’s Atlanta headquarters. He told me that his decision to resign
was prompted by a number of factors, including “the replacement of science
with ideology” and “the sidelining of scientists so that their data cannot be
seen.” He also fears that important information isn’t finding its way to Health
Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. According to Daskalakis, no one from his center
had been allowed to brief Kennedy directly on any of the issues that it covers,
including polio, measles, COVID-19, and various vaccines. “I’m not sure where
he’s getting his information other than Substacks that are erroneous,” he said.
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Airyaman said:
I feel this may be the case. RFK Jr. is running roughshod over anyone who isn't on board with his kook science and anti-vax theories.

So what about future presidencies, why wouldn't they just restore the CDC and other such agencies back to their proper purpose? Well, after this, who would want to work for an organization where you can be fired on the whims of crazy conspiracy theorists? Because I don't think our country to going to go back to a level of normalcy anytime in the future. It seems like we are becoming dumber and more ignorant with time, not less. So real experts might be OK under some presidents but in danger of unemployment under another not because of a lack of expertise, but for not getting with the current agenda.

www.theatlantic.com

‘It Feels Like the CDC Is Over’

The CDC’s departing leaders discuss the agency’s future—or lack thereof.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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Yes, the CDC is dead.

How can the Red Hats support such things?
 
Helix said:
A rebuilding of many institutions will be necessary after the far right is out of power.
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What makes you think they will ever again be out of power?
 
CDC has lost all respect by their handling of the pandemic. That's the thing about 'respect', it takes decades to build it, but you can lose it all by a single misstep.
 
Airyaman said:
What do the poorly educated care about expertise?
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Truthfully, they do not understand the scientific method.

They belive, truly believe, opinion is the same as fact.

Until critical thinking is taught in schools, we will face this.
 
dmpi said:
CDC has lost all respect by their handling of the pandemic. That's the thing about 'respect', it takes decades to build it, but you can lose it all by a single misstep.
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Really,
That may be true for some of Trump supporters. You do know that Covid started when Trump was President. It was his CDC.
Good to know you feel Trump's CDC mishandled the pandemic.
 
noonereal said:
Truthfully, they do not understand the scientific method.

They belive, truly believe, opinion is the same as fact.

Until critical thinking is taught in schools, we will face this.
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Schools in the US are for producing proud, loyal citizens, not informed critical thinkers.
 
dmpi said:
CDC has lost all respect by their handling of the pandemic. That's the thing about 'respect', it takes decades to build it, but you can lose it all by a single misstep.
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No it hasn't. The CDC is respected worldwide.
The magatry has no respect for the CDC but they never did. It can't lose what it never had.
 
dmpi said:
CDC has lost all respect by their handling of the pandemic. That's the thing about 'respect', it takes decades to build it, but you can lose it all by a single misstep.
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Spoken, and incorrectly I might add, like a true Trump sycophant.
Respect was lost when Donnie appointed an idiot like RFK Jr to lead HHS.
 
Grand Mal said:
No it hasn't. The CDC is respected worldwide.
The magatry has no respect for the CDC but they never did. It can't lose what it never had.
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I don't like to dwell on mistakes of the past but, the CDC not only screwed up the handling of COVID, but they also funded China to do the virus research that started the whole thing.
 
dmpi said:
I don't like to dwell on mistakes of the past but, the CDC not only screwed up the handling of COVID,
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They absolutely did not.

dmpi said:
but they also funded China to do the virus research that started the whole thing.
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First, this was not CDC. Your CT refers to NIH. Second, they gave them what, $0.5 million chump change in order to have access to what Wuhan was doing? That's a great investment to be in the know of what China research is doing. There is no doubt China would have changed absolutely nothing without these few bucks from NIH.
 
dmpi said:
I don't like to dwell on mistakes of the past but, the CDC not only screwed up the handling of COVID,
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Only during the Trump administration. After 2020 it was Biden who screwed it up.
So I heard, anyway.
dmpi said:
but they also funded China to do the virus research that started the whole thing.
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No they didn't.

"Dr Fauci, as well as being an adviser to President Biden, is the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the US government's National Institutes of Health (NIH)."
"This body did give money to an organisation that collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus: Was US money used to fund risky research in China?

What's the row about virus research in China between a prominent Republican and Dr Anthony Fauci?
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
dmpi said:
I don't like to dwell on mistakes of the past but, the CDC not only screwed up the handling of COVID, but they also funded China to do the virus research that started the whole thing.
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How about posting specifics.

Clue, I know you can't.
 
Airyaman said:
I feel this may be the case. RFK Jr. is running roughshod over anyone who isn't on board with his kook science and anti-vax theories.

So what about future presidencies, why wouldn't they just restore the CDC and other such agencies back to their proper purpose? Well, after this, who would want to work for an organization where you can be fired on the whims of crazy conspiracy theorists? Because I don't think our country to going to go back to a level of normalcy anytime in the future. It seems like we are becoming dumber and more ignorant with time, not less. So real experts might be OK under some presidents but in danger of unemployment under another not because of a lack of expertise, but for not getting with the current agenda.

www.theatlantic.com

‘It Feels Like the CDC Is Over’

The CDC’s departing leaders discuss the agency’s future—or lack thereof.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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This is just insane. Hitherto the world's leader in infectious disease research, atmospheric/climate research, and other scientific fields is just self-immolating for all the world to see.

Replacing it with what? is the obvious question. If I had to guess, it'll be the Silicon Valley tech bros to the rescue. Who needs vaccines when you can just strap on a wearable that gathers data right down to your blood pressure and heart beat, just so they can in turn share that data with insurance companies who will either deny you coverage or make it so unaffordable you may as well visit a apothecary instead.
 
noonereal said:
Yes, eventually our country will fall but until then we are not going to get back the democracy we had.
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I doubt that the country is doomed to suffer fascism until it sinks and becomes ruins at the bottom of the ocean like some modern day Atlantis.
 
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