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[W:307]Biden Hitting Your 401k

Is there a reason why you will not speak to whether gains on long-term assets should or should not be indexed for inflation?
I'd gladly trade indexing for the capital gains tax preference. It would reward those with actual 'long term' gains, i.e. many years, 5 or 10 at least, at the expense of traders who manage to hold the stock for 366 days.
 
OK, so my combined IRA and Roth were up 1.36% today, bringing the YTD total at up 8.51%

I'll take days like this all the time...
 
Yes, home construction materials are going up because a large percentage of people are working from home right now and getting work done to their homes because of it, it does not mean everything is going up though. Current inflation rates are below 2018 levels.
"Current inflation rates" don't seem to accurately reflect what I'm seeing with my own two eyes.

It isn't just prices going up, either. Many industries are having a hard time filing open positions for laborers and wages are on their way up. This is a good thing for workers but not such a good thing for consumers. For example, the industry I work in, prescription eye glasses, we have hundreds of low-skilled labor positions that have been open for months that we can't fill. I was just on a CC yesterday when we were floating ideas like upping the starting pay up to $2/hour in some locations and offering sign-on bonuses of up to 2K. This is just one company in one industry. The same is happening all across the country and all across a full spectrum of industry. When the cost of labor jumps 10-20%, the cost of goods will follow.

If you need a new pair of glasses, I'd suggest you buy them now.

I'm looking at this in terms of purchasing power. Goods and services are what they are and if there is suddenly more money in the system and the same amount of goods services, prices will go up, not because they are worth more, but because a dollar is worth LESS.

It makes all the sense in the world to me that the price of a share of stock would be subject to these same forces.
 
Been to a Home Depot lately?

Lumber, plywood, sheet rock, roofing materials are ALL about double what they were a year ago. Prices at the grocery store are up, too, and this is going to continue. There ARE too many dollars chasing too few goods. Why do you think store shelves always seem to be half empty?
Funny because if you actually look into that, then you find that the reason the prices are so high is because last March they decided to all cut production thinking the economy was going to crash.
 
Lumber, plywood, sheet rock, and roofing materials are not proxies for inflation. That's why the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) uses a basket of commodities to determine their index. I remember back to 2009 when conservatives argued "that we have high inflation now, look at the price of butter!" According to the BLS "Over the last 12 months, the all items index increased 2.6 percent before seasonal adjustment."

Yeah it’s almost like people on the Internet don’t know as much as people who have devoted their entire lives to studying it...
 
Funny because if you actually look into that, then you find that the reason the prices are so high is because last March they decided to all cut production thinking the economy was going to crash.
Do you really believe that production didn't get ramped right back up again?
 

Stunned Wall Street Responds To Biden's Shock Proposal To Double Cap Gains Tax​


With stocks tumbling following the report that Joe Biden is considering a proposal that would double the capital gains tax, as investors dump in hopes of locking in existing cap gains rates - an exercise in futility if Biden and the socialists in Congress decide to make such a tax change retroactive to all of 2021 - Bloomberg quickly polled several Wall Street traders who focused on the policy’s implications for investing, and concluded that while it was too soon to panic, prospects of a higher levy on stock profits could spark near-term selling as investors look to skirt a higher rate.

Here are some hot takes, courtesy of Bloomberg:

Please explain how the capital gains tax which comes into play when someone achieves either a profit or a lost on sale of assets affects my 401k. Give a real world example if you can.

This should be good :)
 
Really? Mine is up over 7% since the start of the year, I expect it to keep going up....
Yeah, and the market jumped today. Will they be equally likely to attribute that increase to Biden's proposal? This game is stupid, where whenever the market goes one way or another a bunch of people say "See! This proves I'm right about everything!" Media doesn't help by playing along for clicks.
 
Please explain how the capital gains tax which comes into play when someone achieves either a profit or a lost on sale of assets affects my 401k. Give a real world example if you can.

This should be good :)
When you retire and start drawing on your 401K, you pay capital gains.
 

Stunned Wall Street Responds To Biden's Shock Proposal To Double Cap Gains Tax​


With stocks tumbling following the report that Joe Biden is considering a proposal that would double the capital gains tax, as investors dump in hopes of locking in existing cap gains rates - an exercise in futility if Biden and the socialists in Congress decide to make such a tax change retroactive to all of 2021 - Bloomberg quickly polled several Wall Street traders who focused on the policy’s implications for investing, and concluded that while it was too soon to panic, prospects of a higher levy on stock profits could spark near-term selling as investors look to skirt a higher rate.

Here are some hot takes, courtesy of Bloomberg:

What planet do you live on?????
Either you are an alien, or you have a terrible Financial advisor.....
 
Please explain how the capital gains tax which comes into play when someone achieves either a profit or a lost on sale of assets affects my 401k. Give a real world example if you can.

This should be good :)
That’s easy, it doesn’t.

For reference, read here:
”Distributions in retirement are taxed as ordinary income.” In other words, capital gains taxes have no effect.

Example: you have $1,000,000 in stocks in your 401k account. If your ordinary income tax rate is 25%, you owe 25% of whatever you take as a distribution. If Congress raises the capital gains rate to 60%, you owe 25% of whatever you take as a distribution.
 
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That’s easy, it doesn’t.

For reference, read here:
”Distributions in retirement are taxed as ordinary income.” In other words, capi gains taxes have no effect.
Shhh.... let the OP answer!!! :)
 
I always thought they were taxed as capital gains... if I'm wrong on that then I stand corrected.
I think CG would be better, since OI rates are higher, but I think the idea is you put off paying the income tax for as long as you invest and get to keep growing the untaxed pie until withdrawals. So instead of the taxes being paid up front and that money coming out of your investment base, you get to keep investing the "government's" share of the money and keep most of what that earns over time too.
 
What you tax more, you get less of.

Biden wants to tax investing in America. It will have predictable results.
 

Stunned Wall Street Responds To Biden's Shock Proposal To Double Cap Gains Tax​


With stocks tumbling following the report that Joe Biden is considering a proposal that would double the capital gains tax, as investors dump in hopes of locking in existing cap gains rates - an exercise in futility if Biden and the socialists in Congress decide to make such a tax change retroactive to all of 2021 - Bloomberg quickly polled several Wall Street traders who focused on the policy’s implications for investing, and concluded that while it was too soon to panic, prospects of a higher levy on stock profits could spark near-term selling as investors look to skirt a higher rate.
Cool, now we can snap up the stocks the upper 1% abandoned, though I believe the upper1% is just churning their holdings- big sell off now and purchase even more of the undervalued stock which will rebound quickly as the stock market isn't tied to the capital gains tax rate.... ✌️
 
What you tax more, you get less of.

Biden wants to tax investing in America. It will have predictable results.
That’s conservative orthodoxy. It just isn’t true. Capital gains rates have been changed other times in history. In the Reagan years, short-term capital gains rates were 60% and long-term rates were 40%. Did those high rates torpedo the bull market that started in September 1982? No.

Moreover, investors aren‘t going to have a fit and go Galt. They aren’t going to pull out their money and put it in the bank to earn 1% interest.
 
What would you tax more? Actually asking.

Given that the power to tax is the power to destroy: auto salesmen who do their own television commercials.


😁
Sightly more realistically, I would start by taxing more efficiently; stripping complexity from the system. We waste vast sums in compliance and exposure-mininizing strategies. I would also tightly rein in the regulatory state. If the goal is higher revenue, the most sustainable path there is by stripping out the non-revenue-producing ways in which we inhibit growth.
 
I think CG would be better, since OI rates are higher, but I think the idea is you put off paying the income tax for as long as you invest and get to keep growing the untaxed pie until withdrawals. So instead of the taxes being paid up front and that money coming out of your investment base, you get to keep investing the "government's" share of the money and keep most of what that earns over time too.
That’s how Roth accounts work — you don't get the tax deferment but you don’t have to pay any taxes when you withdraw the funds.
 
Really? Mine is up over 7% since the start of the year, I expect it to keep going up....

Business is boomin’ on this end. I wonder if these folks complaining even have 401k’s?
 
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