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Tennessee abandons vaccine outreach to minors — not just for COVID-19

This is just a different means to the same end of getting more people who might be reluctant to get vaccinated.

There are many republicans who are so desperate to appeal to Trump supporters that they are eager to sabotage the vaccine if it makes them more likeable by the Trump minions.
The reality is that anyone who wants a vaccine has has one by now. They don’t need government postcards or federal jackboots hounding them at their door.
 
You’re not answering the questions either. Why do Tennesseans unlike Ohioans need the government to do all of that for them?


Why does the state of Tennessee see now as the time to end what they have been doing for years?
 
Mitch must be so proud of his home state...

Is he from Tennessee? He's a Senator from Kentucky. Not that there's a lot of difference.
 
The reality is that anyone who wants a vaccine has has one by now. They don’t need government postcards or federal jackboots hounding them at their door.
People need to be pushed to take the vaccine for the societal safety. Covid19 is a credible threat to others and society stability, so partisan games and propaganda are to be rejected.

Are you vaccinated?
 
Mitch must be so proud of his home state...

The Tennessee Department of Health will halt all adolescent vaccine outreach – not just for coronavirus, but all diseases – amid pressure from Republican state lawmakers, according to an internal report and agency emails obtained by the Tennessean. If the health department must issue any information about vaccines, staff are instructed to strip the agency logo off the documents.

The health department will also stop all COVID-19 vaccine events on school property, despite holding at least one such event this month. The decisions to end vaccine outreach and school events come directly from Health Commissioner Dr. Lisa Piercey, the internal report states.

Additionally, the health department will take steps to ensure it no longer sends postcards or other notices reminding teenagers to get their second dose of the coronavirus vaccines. Postcards will still be sent to adults, but teens will be excluded from the mailing list so the postcards are not “potentially interpreted as solicitation to minors,” the report states.


Killing kids to own the libs.
 
The GOP's headlong descent into the dark ages is a thing to behold.
 
Read what I said before piping off. We didn’t need any of that in Ohio and Tennessee is not the only State with a department of health. So why do you need the government to do all of that for you? Your dentist and GP and specialist are private sector practitioners. Why do you need the department of health to send you a postcard? Why can’t rural people just take the initiative and go to the local pharmacy?
LOL. First you tell me the state of Tennessee didn't do anything, so who cares. Then when that was obviously ignorant BS, you moved the goal posts and said the reminders were worthless, but the free market knows they aren't. Then you claim that states don't need to do anything, like provide vaccines at local schools, that we ended in Tennessee because morons are in charge, because yours didn't, if you forget about the mass vaccination clinics put on by your state! 🤪 o_O :ROFLMAO:

You don't even know what your own state is doing. Pretty funny actually. It's just a bucket of fail all around for you in this thread. You might want to quit digging. Or not. I'm getting good laugh at your posts, so that's a bonus!


Thousands of Additional Cleveland Mass Vaccination Appointments to Open Monday

(CLEVELAND)—Ohio Governor Mike DeWine announced today that thousands of additional appointments for Ohio’s mass vaccination clinic at Cleveland State University’s Wolstein Center will be available for registration beginning Monday, March 15, 2021.


COVID-19 Mass Vaccination Clinics
July 13, 2021 | COVID-19
During spring and early summer of 2021, the State of Ohio sponsored a series of regional and mobile mass vaccination clinics across the state.

The schedules, location, format and duration of each mass vaccination site evolved based upon the needs of each individual community.
At this time, no mass vaccination locations are in operation. Instead, smaller clinics are now more widely available across the state through local health departments, retail and independent pharmacies, hospitals and hospital networks, health centers, primary care and pediatric practices and more.
Amazing how that works. Ohio and other states find that an "all of the above" approach works BEST! Who could have guessed it but everyone!??!! 🤪
 
Mitch must be so proud of his home state...

The Tennessee Department of Health will halt all adolescent vaccine outreach – not just for coronavirus, but all diseases – amid pressure from Republican state lawmakers, according to an internal report and agency emails obtained by the Tennessean. If the health department must issue any information about vaccines, staff are instructed to strip the agency logo off the documents.

The health department will also stop all COVID-19 vaccine events on school property, despite holding at least one such event this month. The decisions to end vaccine outreach and school events come directly from Health Commissioner Dr. Lisa Piercey, the internal report states.

Additionally, the health department will take steps to ensure it no longer sends postcards or other notices reminding teenagers to get their second dose of the coronavirus vaccines. Postcards will still be sent to adults, but teens will be excluded from the mailing list so the postcards are not “potentially interpreted as solicitation to minors,” the report states.

It’s worse than that.

Tennessee's Former Top Vaccine Official Said She Was Fired for Urging Teen Vaccinations​

Dr. Michelle Fiscus was fired on Monday from her position as Tennessee's top vaccine official. She released a statement the same day, in which she claimed she was terminated for giving advice on teenagers receiving COVID-19 vaccines.

Fiscus, who was the medical director for the Tennessee Department of Health's vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization programs, said she was given no official explanation for her firing. However, she feels it was political retaliation stemming from a June 16 meeting with the state's Government Operations Committee.

"I have been terminated for doing my job because some of our politicians have bought into the anti-vaccine misinformation campaign rather than taking the time to speak with the medical experts," she wrote.

Fiscus explained that in May she had requested a statement regarding Tennessee's Mature Minor Doctrine that resulted from a Tennessee Supreme Court Ruling in 1987. She did this in advance of the approval of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for 12-15 year olds, and she said this was done for clarification in regard to questions she had been asked regarding the rules for vaccinating minors.

She said she copied and pasted language from the statement into a memo that was distributed to providers administering COVID-19 vaccines. Fiscus claimed someone who had seen the memo posted it on social media after becoming upset about a section that said minors ages 14-17 years can receive emergency medical care in Tennessee without parental consent.

This led to the health department being called before the state's Government Operations Committee. During the committee meeting, Fiscus wrote her department "was accused of 'targeting' youth through Facebook messaging and its actions were described as 'reprehensible' by one Committee member."

That same Committee member, according to Fiscus, "went on to call for the 'dissolving and reconstitution' of the Department of Health in the midst of a pandemic where one out of every 542 Tennesseans has died from COVID-19 on their watch and less than 38 percent of Tennesseans have been vaccinated."

During the meeting, the Government Operations Committee ordered Health Commissioner Lisa Piercey to scale back efforts to vaccinate children and report back in July. State Sen. Janice Bowling was particularly critical of the department at the meeting, stating it was "very disconcerting" to see the memo from Fiscus that discussed emergency use authorization of the Pfizer vaccine for children 12 and under.
 
You’re not answering the questions either. Why do Tennesseans unlike Ohioans need the government to do all of that for them?
Right!! FREEDUM lovers in Ohio didn't need no stinkin government, if you ignore the many MASS VACCINATION CLINICS sponsored by the state of Ohio!!!
She never claimed that the Ohio Dept of Health ever did. Your red herrings portray you as a Trump supporter because you are desperate to deny and deflect from what is going on in Tennessee.
And it won't surprise you at all that the state of Ohio was massively involved in distributing vaccines in the state. Took me a minute or so to figure this out, because the State of Ohio and the Gov. are proud of their STATE efforts to get people vaccinated.
 
The reality is that anyone who wants a vaccine has has one by now. They don’t need government postcards or federal jackboots hounding them at their door.
It's just like the NAZIS!!! 🤪 :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
 
Right!! FREEDUM lovers in Ohio didn't need no stinkin government, if you ignore the many MASS VACCINATION CLINICS sponsored by the state of Ohio!!!

And it won't surprise you at all that the state of Ohio was massively involved in distributing vaccines in the state. Took me a minute or so to figure this out, because the State of Ohio and the Gov. are proud of their STATE efforts to get people vaccinated.
I was vaccinated in a state sponsored drive-thru clinic in Ohio. My Dr wasn't seeing patients directly, so the fastest way to get the vaccine was a drive-thru clinic at the hospital they are affiliated with.

Ohio also had the lottery to increase the number of people get vaccinated, so people got vaccinated so they were entered. I live in a semi-rural conservative county and the vaccination rate for both doses is still only about 1/3rd.
 
LOL. First you tell me the state of Tennessee didn't do anything, so who cares. Then when that was obviously ignorant BS, you moved the goal posts and said the reminders were worthless, but the free market knows they aren't. Then you claim that states don't need to do anything, like provide vaccines at local schools, that we ended in Tennessee because morons are in charge, because yours didn't, if you forget about the mass vaccination clinics put on by your state! 🤪 o_O :ROFLMAO:

You don't even know what your own state is doing. Pretty funny actually. It's just a bucket of fail all around for you in this thread. You might want to quit digging. Or not. I'm getting good laugh at your posts, so that's a bonus!






Amazing how that works. Ohio and other states find that an "all of the above" approach works BEST! Who could have guessed it but everyone!??!! 🤪
No, you just misread what I said. Factually, the way it worked here is the State announced that residents between a certain age range were eligible for vaccination. Then it was up to you to find and set up an appointment. What that meant was it’s your turn to scour the internet every day for available times at a CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, Giant Eagle, local family run pharmacy, your doctor, etc. Mine ended up being at a church an hour south of here and administered by a private healthcare provider.
There was no grand organization the part of the State. There were no postcards. Just you and your fingers competing with millions of other Ohioans for vaccine appointments facilitated by the private sector.
 
No, you just misread what I said. Factually, the way it worked here is the State announced that residents between a certain age range were eligible for vaccination. Then it was up to you to find and set up an appointment. What that meant was it’s your turn to scour the internet every day
You're just lying or ignorant about what's available in your state. There's a website that you can put in your zip code, and find a place with times available and book that time. No need to 'scour' the internet - it's a one stop STATE-run website to make this step unnecessary.


And the STATE held a bunch of MASS VACCINATION CLINICS across the state, had mobile vaccination clinics, and has a website that's a one-stop shop to get an appointment across a number of public and private vaccine providers. So the state was very involved from the beginning in holding people's hands, and it's because non-morons know making things easy increases how many people do those things. It's why doctors send you reminders, because prodding works. Etc.....

for available times at a CVS, Walgreens, Kroger, Giant Eagle, local family run pharmacy, your doctor, etc. Mine ended up being at a church an hour south of here and administered by a private healthcare provider.
There was no grand organization the part of the State. There were no postcards. Just you and your fingers competing with millions of other Ohioans for vaccine appointments facilitated by the private sector.
I don't know why you're so eager to prove one of three things 1) you are lying, or 2) are ignorant, or 3) both, all to make some stupid defense of what the wingnuts did in in Tennessee. And you can't keep your excuses straight.

1) The State of Tennessee didn't do vaccines or send out info or postcards!!!!
2) Oh, well, sure they did do all that and more, but the many vaccines the state DID administer didn't matter because free markets, and also reminders are useless, although the free market knows better than you and sends me a half dozen reminders for every appointment, because in the real world people forget, get busy, don't do what they are supposed to do when it comes to public health. Our vet sends us postcards to remind us to keep our dogs up to date on vaccines. My HVAC guy sends reminders. Dentist. Specialist. Volunteer coordinator. These are all necessary but one reminding people of the second shot are NOT!!
3) Ohio didn't do any of that, so when Tennessee ended those efforts it didn't matter because Ohio left you guys to fend for yourself.
4) Except for the MASS VACCINATION CLINICS the STATE held all across Ohio and the vaccines still being administered by local governments, and much more, etc..... - you pretend those didn't exist and don't still exist, when 1 minute on the Google proves you are wrong.

Why are you doing this? The wingnuts are running the healthcare show in Tennessee and it's stupid as hell, reckless, and has nothing to do with public health but instead with stroking the egos of idiots Q's and MAGAs who have believed a bunch of garbage being peddled to them by liars and idiots.
 
You're just lying or ignorant about what's available in your state. There's a website that you can put in your zip code, and find a place with times available and book that time. No need to 'scour' the internet - it's a one stop STATE-run website to make this step unnecessary.


And the STATE held a bunch of MASS VACCINATION CLINICS across the state, had mobile vaccination clinics, and has a website that's a one-stop shop to get an appointment across a number of public and private vaccine providers. So the state was very involved from the beginning in holding people's hands, and it's because non-morons know making things easy increases how many people do those things. It's why doctors send you reminders, because prodding works. Etc.....


I don't know why you're so eager to prove one of three things 1) you are lying, or 2) are ignorant, or 3) both, all to make some stupid defense of what the wingnuts did in in Tennessee. And you can't keep your excuses straight.

1) The State of Tennessee didn't do vaccines or send out info or postcards!!!!
2) Oh, well, sure they did do all that and more, but the many vaccines the state DID administer didn't matter because free markets, and also reminders are useless, although the free market knows better than you and sends me a half dozen reminders for every appointment, because in the real world people forget, get busy, don't do what they are supposed to do when it comes to public health. Our vet sends us postcards to remind us to keep our dogs up to date on vaccines. My HVAC guy sends reminders. Dentist. Specialist. Volunteer coordinator. These are all necessary but one reminding people of the second shot are NOT!!
3) Ohio didn't do any of that, so when Tennessee ended those efforts it didn't matter because Ohio left you guys to fend for yourself.
4) Except for the MASS VACCINATION CLINICS the STATE held all across Ohio and the vaccines still being administered by local governments, and much more, etc..... - you pretend those didn't exist and don't still exist, when 1 minute on the Google proves you are wrong.

Why are you doing this? The wingnuts are running the healthcare show in Tennessee and it's stupid as hell, reckless, and has nothing to do with public health but instead with stroking the egos of idiots Q's and MAGAs who have believed a bunch of garbage being peddled to them by liars and idiots.
1) I never said that. I said Ohio never sent out postcards and it didn’t. You’re just embarrassing yourself by claiming I was talking about Tennessee.

2) Thanks for proving my point. You get reminders from the private sector so you don’t need postcards from the State.

3) We did fend for ourselves. It was our responsibility to make our own appointments primarily with private sector businesses and providers. There’s no reason why the people of Tennessee can’t be expected to do the same.

4) Most people were not vaccinated through State organized clinics and most of the mass clinics you’re talking about were set up and organized by private sector providers.
 
Is anyone else hearing the faint sounds of banjo music?
 
1) I never said that. I said Ohio never sent out postcards and it didn’t. You’re just embarrassing yourself by claiming I was talking about Tennessee.
Sorry if i don't believe you about whether "Ohio" sent out postcards, since you're obviously clueless about what your state did. All your statement means, if that much, is YOU didn't get a postcard from the state, so therefore no one did, apparently. Furthermore, if someone else sent out the reminders, why does that matter? The State of Tennessee was doing that, now they are not sending them to minors, but there's no provision in place to transfer that responsibility to anyone else. So the reminders you know and I know are useful, because I know and you know you get reminders all the time from the private sector, need to be sent by someone.
2) Thanks for proving my point. You get reminders from the private sector so you don’t need postcards from the State.
And if the state administered the vaccine, and in TN the state vaccinated 100s of thousands at least, who in the private sector sends out the reminders for that second shot? Does it just magically get done?
3) We did fend for ourselves. It was our responsibility to make our own appointments primarily with private sector businesses and providers. There’s no reason why the people of Tennessee can’t be expected to do the same.

4) Most people were not vaccinated through State organized clinics and most of the mass clinics you’re talking about were set up and organized by private sector providers.
Neat how you make ignorant or dishonest statements, then walk them back using weasel words like "primarily" and "most" which are both evidence free assertions, AND are new goal posts entirely, since I never made any claim in Ohio or Tennessee about "most" or "primarily."

Bottom line is TN ranks near dead last on vaccines per 100k, and the state just took steps to undermine our collective efforts to get people vaccinated and therefore to make sure we stay near the worst in the country on protecting its citizens. That's not a good thing - it's a bad thing. The state is letting the insane run the asylum, listening and pandering to the Q and MAGA idiots in the legislature who couldn't find their dumb asses with both hands when it comes to public health. Your defenses of that are just hilariously terrible.
 
Sorry if i don't believe you about whether "Ohio" sent out postcards, since you're obviously clueless about what your state did. All your statement means, if that much, is YOU didn't get a postcard from the state, so therefore no one did, apparently. Furthermore, if someone else sent out the reminders, why does that matter? The State of Tennessee was doing that, now they are not sending them to minors, but there's no provision in place to transfer that responsibility to anyone else. So the reminders you know and I know are useful, because I know and you know you get reminders all the time from the private sector, need to be sent by someone.

And if the state administered the vaccine, and in TN the state vaccinated 100s of thousands at least, who in the private sector sends out the reminders for that second shot? Does it just magically get done?

Neat how you make ignorant or dishonest statements, then walk them back using weasel words like "primarily" and "most" which are both evidence free assertions, AND are new goal posts entirely, since I never made any claim in Ohio or Tennessee about "most" or "primarily."

Bottom line is TN ranks near dead last on vaccines per 100k, and the state just took steps to undermine our collective efforts to get people vaccinated and therefore to make sure we stay near the worst in the country on protecting its citizens. That's not a good thing - it's a bad thing. The state is letting the insane run the asylum, listening and pandering to the Q and MAGA idiots in the legislature who couldn't find their dumb asses with both hands when it comes to public health. Your defenses of that are just hilariously terrible.
This is all just chicken little BS. If people want to be vaccinated then they can do that without hand holding from the State.
 
You’re making much ado about nothing. The State wasn’t involved at all here and it wasn’t a problem.
I guess in a thread about what Tennessee did, you moved the goal posts to make a claim about what the "State" did in Ohio, and you're lying about that. The "State" was very involved in Ohio, as I've shown, for starters sponsoring and/or running many "MASS VACCINATION CLINICS", mobile vaccination clinics, and more, and they are still involved with local governments providing vaccines, and through state efforts to streamline getting appointments for vaccines, as we speak.

More to the point, the "state" was also very involved in Tennessee, and even with those efforts we still rank near dead last in vaccines per capita, and the actions by the Gov. and the legislature harm our state's efforts to get people vaccinated.
 
I guess in a thread about what Tennessee did, you moved the goal posts to make a claim about what the "State" did in Ohio, and you're lying about that. The "State" was very involved in Ohio, as I've shown, for starters sponsoring and/or running many "MASS VACCINATION CLINICS", mobile vaccination clinics, and more, and they are still involved with local governments providing vaccines, and through state efforts to streamline getting appointments for vaccines, as we speak.

More to the point, the "state" was also very involved in Tennessee, and even with those efforts we still rank near dead last in vaccines per capita, and the actions by the Gov. and the legislature harm our state's efforts to get people vaccinated.
No, I pointed out what Ohio did as an example of why Tennessee residents don’t need government handholding. The “State” was not “very involved” in Ohio. It was a free for all for Ohio residents to find and set up their own appointments with private sector providers based on age eligibility. If people in Tennessee wanted the vaccine they’d have it by now.
 
This is all just chicken little BS. If people want to be vaccinated then they can do that without hand holding from the State.
You'd have been better off sticking with that drivel. Instead you tried to rationalize that worthless opinion, backed by nothing, by making a series of dumb, false statements about what the 'state' did or didn't do in Tennessee and Ohio.

And this is just another goal post move. I never claimed anyone "can't" get vaccinated without hand holding from the "State." What competent people recognize, however, is that an all of the above effort, that includes public (i.e. "State) and private efforts, often working together in partnerships, are the best way to get the most people vaccinated. That's what YOUR state did do.

Neither of our states did a great job. Ohio is 28th with 45% fully vaccinated, TN is 44th at 38%, and the only states who did worse were MAGA strongholds, mostly poor, and poorly run. We in Tennessee can be thankful for AL, Miss, and LA pretty regularly as places that are worse run than us. WIN FOR TN!! WE ARE NOT THE WORST!! So why is it a good thing for TN to dismantle or intentionally hinder the "State's" efforts in TN to get people vaccinated, protected, and prevent another surge of cases and deaths?
 
You'd have been better off sticking with that drivel. Instead you tried to rationalize that worthless opinion, backed by nothing, by making a series of dumb, false statements about what the 'state' did or didn't do in Tennessee and Ohio.

And this is just another goal post move. I never claimed anyone "can't" get vaccinated without hand holding from the "State." What competent people recognize, however, is that an all of the above effort, that includes public (i.e. "State) and private efforts, often working together in partnerships, are the best way to get the most people vaccinated. That's what YOUR state did do.

Neither of our states did a great job. Ohio is 28th with 45% fully vaccinated, TN is 44th at 38%, and the only states who did worse were MAGA strongholds, mostly poor, and poorly run. We in Tennessee can be thankful for AL, Miss, and LA pretty regularly as places that are worse run than us. WIN FOR TN!! WE ARE NOT THE WORST!! So why is it a good thing for TN to dismantle or intentionally hinder the "State's" efforts in TN to get people vaccinated, protected, and prevent another surge of cases and deaths?
I don’t know why a Tennessean is coming in here calling any argument dumb while flailing around saying you need mommy State to tell you what to do.
 
No, I pointed out what Ohio did as an example of why Tennessee residents don’t need government handholding. The “State” was not “very involved” in Ohio. It was a free for all for Ohio residents to find and set up their own appointments with private sector providers based on age eligibility. If people in Tennessee wanted the vaccine they’d have it by now.
You lied, or are willfully ignorant, about what Ohio did. I'll leave it there.
 
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