Supreme Court backs parents seeking to opt their kids out of LGBTQ books in elementary schools

[j brown's body]

All this nonsense about how Republicans are guardians of the sanctity of childhood innocence, meanwhile the average age of consent in red states is 16.

Emotional bullshit. Children are learning sponges.

 

[j brown's body]

I’m sorry that you think I’m obligated to argue against shit you make up and attribute to me.

lo, you'll argue endlessly about transgenders but refuse to share your own opinion about them. That says a lot.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Emotional bullshit. Children are learning sponges.

We need to protect their innocence by staging them holding AR-15's in Christmas cards.

 

[Gardener]

That wasn't part of the conversation at all. This is about parents being able to opt their children out of discussions regarding LGBTQ people, things they don't religiously agree with. This thread isn't about porn or sexually explicit material available for children. That is why I called out the strawman.

"Two men got married and raised a child together" is the type of book this ruling deals with, not your imagined "age restrictions on adult material" or even book bans in general.

Have you ever considered being truthful, instead? The article mentioned "gay themed books" quite clearly. I am referencing the actual sorts of gay-themed books that people are protesting.

You people are so absolutely terrified of being accused of some sort of ism that you support the predation of children. "This Book Is Gay" teaches little boys how to hook up with adult men for sex. You are so terrified that you are incapable of saying there is even anything wrong with that.

 

[The Brad Dad]

lo, you'll argue endlessly about transgenders but refuse to share your own opinion about them. That says a lot.

A lot of this from a lot of these guys is due to their self-hatred over *attraction* to trans women. They will use phrases like "I was fooled" but uhh..sure

 

[eohrnberger]

You could not be more wrong. when I was a kid, all I saw blacks do is menial labor. No one had to teach me anything. I could see with my own eyes that blacks were inherently inferior. I certainly know better now, but that impression is lasting.

I'm guessing that what you are describing is decades old and is no longer even remotely accurate or reflective of reality in the present day.

Children are learning sponges. Guiding them away from bigotry at the earliest age possible is the best chance to keep them from becoming becoming adult bigots.

Yes, they are learning sponges, all the more reason to object to premature introduction of sexual content, topics and subjects to them before they've even reached puberty, before they've even started asking those questions - conditioning. These questions, subjects and topics which should be left up to their parents to answer, and not the State.

 

[roguenuke]

Have you ever considered being truthful, instead? The article mentioned "gay themed books" quite clearly. I am referencing the actual sorts of gay-themed books that people are protesting.

You people are so absolutely terrified of being accused of some sort of ism that you support the predation of children. "This Book Is Gay" teaches little boys how to hook up with adult men for sex. You are so terrified that you are incapable of saying there is even anything wrong with that.

"Gay themed books" that are being discussed in class, like the book about two gay penguins raising a baby penguin together. Or My Color is Purple, which is about questioning their gender, seeing themselves as a different color than "pink or blue". Nothing sexually explicit at all.

This Book Is Gay is not taught in class, discussed during class time. You also seem to not understand the difference between teaching them to do something and about something so that they can avoid it, be aware of how predators find young kids.

You are absolutely unable to either be honest or understand what is being discussed. This is about books being taught in class, not books that may be available in some libraries. If you disagree, show where any of those books you mentioned were part of actual classroom discussions. Evidence. Again, being available in a library is not the same as being discussed in class.

The Supreme Court on Friday bolstered religious rights as it ruled in favor of parents who objected to LGBTQ-themed books that a Maryland county approved for use in elementary school classrooms.

"approved for use in elementary school classrooms." is the key phrase there.

 

[j brown's body]

Have you ever considered being truthful, instead? The article mentioned "gay themed books" quite clearly. I am referencing the actual sorts of gay-themed books that people are protesting.

You people are so absolutely terrified of being accused of some sort of ism that you support the predation of children. "This Book Is Gay" teaches little boys how to hook up with adult men for sex. You are so terrified that you are incapable of saying there is even anything wrong with that.

One of the great dodges throughout this thread is to take out the books that are in question and insert your own.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I'm guessing that what you are describing is decades old.


Yes, they are learning sponges, all the more reason to object to premature introduction of sexual content, topics and subjects to them before they've even reached puberty, before they've even started asking those questions - conditioning. These questions, subjects and topics which should be left up to their parents to answer, and not the State.

Sexuality isn't obscene, it's part of nature. When do conservatives grow up and stop acting like this? Ever?

 

[roguenuke]

I'm guessing that what you are describing is decades old and is no longer even remotely accurate or reflective of reality in the present day.


Yes, they are learning sponges, all the more reason to object to premature introduction of sexual content, topics and subjects to them before they've even reached puberty, before they've even started asking those questions - conditioning. These questions, subjects and topics which should be left up to their parents to answer, and not the State.

Medical and psychological professionals have stated that sexual content should be discussed age appropriately starting very young. We discuss similar "sexual themes" when kids watch or read about princesses finding a prince or rejecting suitors or any time disney characters fall in love, including two cars.

 

[rahl]

lo, you'll argue endlessly about transgenders but refuse to share your own opinion about them. That says a lot.

I’m sorry that you think I’m obligated to argue against shit you make up and attribute to me.

 

[snakestretcher]

It isn't just a few outliers. An entire state was ordered to teach the bible in every class, including science and history.

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We have several states now with laws mandating the 10 Commandments be placed in every school classroom or at least hallway, despite a 1980 SCOTUS ruling forbidding this.

The overwhelming majority are not, although many are being fed lies about what is going on, where such books are found, etc. My own area had a school refuse to remove Genderqueer from the HS by vote.

But note though that you gaslight the topic. This isn't about sexually graphic content in schools, since that was never actually taught, but simply available in school libraries. This is about any stories or talks about homosexuals or same sex couples or transgender people in classrooms, being able to opt out of those, which is not at all any sort of majority, and absolutely would involve mainly those people who believe in young earth creationism.

Have I wandered into a time warp? Someone please tell me this is 2025 not 1825. America continues on its regressive path toward the Dark Ages. What next, a re-run of Salem witch trials; the burning of 'heretics'? The Inquisition? America already burns 'unsuitable' books, like a reprise of Nazi Germany.

 

[j brown's body]

I'm guessing that what you are describing is decades old.


Yes, they are learning sponges, all the more reason to object to premature introduction of sexual content, topics and subjects to them before they've even reached puberty, before they've even started asking those questions - conditioning. These questions, subjects and topics which should be left up to their parents to answer, and not the State.

You miss the point. Children learn by observing the world. The impressions they gain last a lifetime. They provide the root for their views; the younger they are, the more firm those impression are. Education serves to widen that view of world.

 

[Gardener]

One of the great dodges throughout this thread is to take out the books that are in question and insert your own.

If I had actually done that, you might have had something.

You prefer dishonesty though .

 

[j brown's body]

I’m sorry that you think I’m obligated to argue against shit you make up and attribute to me.

Its just curious its the one view you refuse to share.

 

[j brown's body]

If I had actually done that, you might have had something.

You prefer dishonesty though .

"This Book Is Gay," which you brought up, is not one of the books.

 

[rahl]

Its just curious its the one view you refuse to share.

I have no obligation to address shit you make up and attribute to me. I’m sorry you thought otherwise.

 

[Gardener]

We are pointing out reality. That hurts your feelings so you screech “bigotry” in response to being confronted with reality.

These are not sentient individuals.

They are merely indulging in a conditioned response. Their little peeps reward them with praise if they say one thing and attack them if they say another and protecting themselves against the latter is all that matters.

 

[Gardener]

"This Book Is Gay," which you brought up, is not one of the books.

Again, you lie.

After objections, 'This Book is Gay' goes before school board

Parents issued complaints about book at Pierce Middle.

baynews9.com

 

[Gordy327]

Well, here is a test......
Earlier in this thread someone brought up science such as the theory of Evolution being taught.
There's are several theories out there on how life began on this planet. What if all were taught including Creation? How do you think Progressives would respond to such a thing?

How life began is abiogenesis. Evolution kicks in once there is life. Creationism is just religious BS and is not science, much less has any place in a science curriculum.

 

[j brown's body]

I have no obligation to address shit you make up and attribute to me. I’m sorry you thought otherwise.

I'm happy to go with the facts. Tell me why you voluntarily refuse to give your opinion on people you talk endlessly about?

 

[j brown's body]

Again, you lie.

After objections, 'This Book is Gay' goes before school board

Parents issued complaints about book at Pierce Middle.

baynews9.com

This case doesn't involve a school in Tampa FL.

 

[roguenuke]

For all those who aren't aware, let us look at those books that were on the actual list from this case that were being objected to so that we can discuss this case rather than books not found on that list.

Mahmoud v. Taylor - Wikipedia

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As you can read here, 2 of the originally approved books were then removed probably because of some of the backlash and they figured just start a little older for the one and their review for the other, so those wouldn't have been part of the actual case though anyway since they were removed in 2024.

• Pre-K: Pride Puppy by Robin Stevenson
• Kindergarten: Uncle Bobby's Wedding by Sarah S. Brannen
• 1st grade: IntersectionAllies: We Make Room for All by Carolyn Choi and Chelsea Johnson
• 2nd grade: My Rainbow by DeShanna Neal and Trinity Neal
• 3rd grade: Prince & Knight by Daniel Haack
• 4th grade: Love, Violet by Charlotte Sullivan Wild
• 5th grade: Born Ready: The True Story of a Boy Named Penelope by Jodie Patterson

Let’s Take a Look at the Children’s Books Sam Alito Is So Afraid Of

Stories like "Uncle Bobby's Wedding" are only objectionable if you find the very existence of LGBTQ people to be objectionable.

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If you look through those books, you will see that they aren't sexually explicit at all and easily compared to similar books with opposite sex couples in them same age recommended reading levels.

Like the one below that matches almost the same with the approved Kinder book.

Uncle Peter's Amazing Chinese Wedding: Lenore Look, Yumi Heo: 9780689844584: Amazon.com: Books

Uncle Peter's Amazing Chinese Wedding [Lenore Look, Yumi Heo] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Uncle Peter's Amazing Chinese Wedding

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[rahl]

I'm happy to go with the facts. Tell me why you voluntarily refuse to give your opinion on people you talk endlessly about?

I simply point out reality when you people insist on detaching yourselves from it.

I have no obligation to address shit you make up and attribute to me.

 

[snakestretcher]

Can you show me that the parents who raised concerns about these books are 'religious zealots'?

By not wanting those books in school libraries how are people, such as yourself, who want to give such books to their children prevented from ordering those books online, and having them delivered to their house?


No, the premise is not the part that's a wild goose chase, and you know it.


So show me evidence of this claim.


You are falsely equating wanting to make such materials and content available to prepubescent children as 'tolerance'.
You are falsely equating wanting the state to override and supersede parenting decisions as 'tolerance'.
You are wrong on both in both cases.


It is a gross mischaracterization equating not having such books in grade school libraries available to prepubescent children as a ban. It isn't.
Those books remain freely available from other sources. There is no book ban.


If you want to teach the content of those books to your children you are free to do so. No one is stopping you.
Since when are the public schools the only means for teaching your children? As a parent, do you not teacher your children, daily?
Seems you've abdicated your parenting role of teacher to the State. Why is that?


Seems you should be more concerned about you teaching your values to your children, rather than someone else's children.


See my response about tolerance above.


Raising a strawman argument, as no such claims or assertions were made.


Only when warranted in cases of criminal child abuse should this happen, and even then, the State recognizes parental rights, such as the SCOTUS ruling has upheld.
But yet, here you are, demanding that the State override those parental rights, and supersede parents, and inject themselves between parents and their children.

What sort of totalitarian state is it that you are wanting to come into existence here in the US? The state interceding between parent and their children.
Wasn't East Germany communism enough of a warning from history for you?
Why do you want to ignore the lessons from history and repeat them?

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