Amid setbacks, prosecutors abandon some claims in U.S. Capitol riot cases

[Lutherf]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...laims-in-u-s-capitol-riot-cases-idUSKBN2BG30C

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Prosecutors made some serious claims after the deadly U.S. Capitol attack, saying they had evidence rioters planned to kill elected officials, suggesting a Virginia man at the building received directives to gas lawmakers, and accusing another suspect of directing mayhem on Jan. 6 with encrypted messages.

But the Justice Department has since acknowledged in court hearings that some of its evidence concerning the riot - carried out by a mob of supporters of former President Donald Trump to try to overturn his election loss - is less damning than it initially indicated.
...

In January, prosecutors in Arizona who were seeking to detain a man named Jacob Chansley, famously pictured inside the Capitol donning face paint and horns on his head, said they had “strong evidence,” including “Chansley’s own words and actions,” that the “intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials.” They reversed course the next day.

In another case, prosecutors said in a March 1 court filing that Ethan Nordean, a member of the right-wing Proud Boys group, “dressed all in black, wearing a tactical vest, led the Proud Boys through the use of encrypted communications.” Prosecutors subsequently acknowledged that Nordean’s cell phone battery died on Jan. 6 and was not functioning the entire day.

The DoJ actions, fueled by propagandist media and perhaps even manufactured for propaganda purposes, colors public opinion. This type of malfeasance also appears to be politically motivated as we saw no such actions by DoJ as riots related to George Floyd and others spread across the nation and internationally. The objective appears to be one of ushering in a Social Justice system in this nation where even if there is no crime or if the crime is nominal that the process of prosecution be used to punish the offenders. The idea is that if you're unlikely to successfully prosecute a sedition charge, for example, you can still punish your target through the process and slander them across the media which, perhaps, will somewhat sate the rabid dogs barking to have life sentences and executions at dawn carried out. It's prosecution by feeling rather than prosecution by fact and it will destroy this nation unless it's stopped.

 

[Mycroft]

Here's a similar take: https://theconservativetreehouse.co...s-and-charges-against-january-6th-protestors/

This isn't a new tactic. It was used against Cohen, Flynn, Manafort and a slew of others...and we can see that it's still being used by the corrupt DOJ/FBI.

 

[Craig234]

They were all looking for a bathroom after the trump rally. How outrageous for DoJ to say there was any crime.

 

[Mr Person]

Again, this is all you need to know to judge the credibility of Lutherf's attempt to paint the Trump Traitors as the real victims here:

<> Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. <>

<> It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.

 

[Excast]

I'm really shocked to think anyone could possibly believe the insurrections wished harm on the elected leaders inside the Capitol.

 

[Luce]

I consider any post by lutherf to be an attempt to assist the insurrectionists.

 

[Excast]

I consider any post by lutherf to be an attempt to assist the insurrectionists.

He defends them more forcefully than their own lawyers.

 

[Craig234]

I consider any post by lutherf to be an attempt to assist the insurrectionists.

Seems reasonable. Thing is, it's not easy to prove secret plotting beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Luce]

When their buddies come up at sentencing time, they'll sing like canaries.

 

[Lutherf]

Again, this is all you need to know to judge the credibility of Lutherf's attempt to paint the Trump Traitors as the real victims here:

Well, to be fair to myself, if the DoJ is walking back charges and made some rather egregious misstatements in bail hearings (which were then broadcast around the world) then that kid of supports my position rather than the "organized, armed insurrectionists" narrative.

 

[Luce]

Well, to be fair to myself, if the DoJ is walking back charges and made some rather egregious misstatements in bail hearings (which were then broadcast around the world) then that kid of supports my position rather than the "organized, armed insurrectionists" narrative.

What percentage of charges have been withdrawn?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Again, this is all you need to know to judge the credibility of Lutherf's attempt to paint the Trump Traitors as the real victims here:

ouch

 

[Excast]

Well, to be fair to myself, if the DoJ is walking back charges and made some rather egregious misstatements in bail hearings (which were then broadcast around the world) then that kid of supports my position rather than the "organized, armed insurrectionists" narrative.

If a group of people surrounded you and began beating you with flag poles, baseball bats, and canes while some also used tasers and bear spray......do you think they would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon?

 

[Lutherf]

What percentage of charges have been withdrawn?

I don't know and, frankly, it isn't important. What I'm getting at is that if DoJ charged 400 people with trespassing then the lunatic left and the propaganda media would be up in arms because the DoJ wasn't doing what they wanted them to. Going about things this way the DoJ can feed the rabid dogs a rabbit or two while putting the steak and potatoes back in the refrigerator.

 

[jnug]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...laims-in-u-s-capitol-riot-cases-idUSKBN2BG30C




The DoJ actions, fueled by propagandist media and perhaps even manufactured for propaganda purposes, colors public opinion. This type of malfeasance also appears to be politically motivated as we saw no such actions by DoJ as riots related to George Floyd and others spread across the nation and internationally. The objective appears to be one of ushering in a Social Justice system in this nation where even if there is no crime or if the crime is nominal that the process of prosecution be used to punish the offenders. The idea is that if you're unlikely to successfully prosecute a sedition charge, for example, you can still punish your target through the process and slander them across the media which, perhaps, will somewhat sate the rabid dogs barking to have life sentences and executions at dawn carried out. It's prosecution by feeling rather than prosecution by fact and it will destroy this nation unless it's stopped.

Funny....the biggest offender in the DOJ dustup over how they are handling the case is the IDIOT Trump holdover that just could not help but OPEN HIS BIG FAT STUPID mouth for 60 minutes. Figures of course.

 

[Luce]

I don't know and, frankly, it isn't important. What I'm getting at is that if DoJ charged 400 people with trespassing then the lunatic left and the propaganda media would bee up in arms because the DoJ wasn't doing what they wanted them to. Going about things this way the DoJ can feed the rabid dogs a rabbit or two while putting the steak and potatoes back in the refrigerator.

It is in fact important. If 400 people have been charged, and 2 people have had charges withdrawn, it's not a big deal and you're just fluffing for traitors. If 400 were charged and 300 people had charges withdrawn, it would be worth looking at.

 

[Luce]

Well, just read the link, and NO charges have been withdrawn,

It's just that in a few cases, the judges have disallowed evidence as presented.

 

[Lutherf]

If a group of people surrounded you and began beating you with flag poles, baseball bats, and canes while some also used tasers and bear spray......do you think they would be charged with assault with a deadly weapon?

It would likeely bee a case of aggravated assault, especially if they were doing so to a police officer.

 

[Lutherf]

It is in fact important. If 400 people have been charged, and 2 people have had charges withdrawn, it's not a big deal and you're just fluffing for traitors. If 400 were charged and 300 people had charges withdrawn, it would be worth looking at.

It's not important. If 400 people are charged with trespass and can reasonably be prosecuted then that's fine. If several people are charged with "sedition" or "attempted kidnapping" and those headlines are all over the place but the charges are overblown and unsupportable then you've got a case where the DoJ is trying to color public opinion.

 

[Luce]

It's not important. If 400 people are charged with trespass and can reasonably be prosecuted then that's fine. If several people are charged with "sedition" or "attempted kidnapping" and those headlines are all over the place but the charges are overblown and unsupportable then you've got a case where the DoJ is trying to color public opinion.

So how many charges were withdrawn by prosecutors?

 

[vesper]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...laims-in-u-s-capitol-riot-cases-idUSKBN2BG30C




The DoJ actions, fueled by propagandist media and perhaps even manufactured for propaganda purposes, colors public opinion. This type of malfeasance also appears to be politically motivated as we saw no such actions by DoJ as riots related to George Floyd and others spread across the nation and internationally. The objective appears to be one of ushering in a Social Justice system in this nation where even if there is no crime or if the crime is nominal that the process of prosecution be used to punish the offenders. The idea is that if you're unlikely to successfully prosecute a sedition charge, for example, you can still punish your target through the process and slander them across the media which, perhaps, will somewhat sate the rabid dogs barking to have life sentences and executions at dawn carried out. It's prosecution by feeling rather than prosecution by fact and it will destroy this nation unless it's stopped.

A lot of people have had their lives totally destroyed over the slander being accused of things that were unfounded. They lost their jobs. Some have been doxed and their families threatened.

 

[HenryChinaski]

It's not important. If 400 people are charged with trespass and can reasonably be prosecuted then that's fine. If several people are charged with "sedition" or "attempted kidnapping" and those headlines are all over the place but the charges are overblown and unsupportable then you've got a case where the DoJ is trying to color public opinion.

This is "a kegger that got slightly out of control" eh?

Bashing cops in the heads with bats, punching them in the head, attempting to remove their protective face gear.

 

[eohrnberger]

It's not important. If 400 people are charged with trespass and can reasonably be prosecuted then that's fine. If several people are charged with "sedition" or "attempted kidnapping" and those headlines are all over the place but the charges are overblown and unsupportable then you've got a case where the DoJ is trying to color public opinion.

The DoJ is coloring public opinion is minor compared to the 'coloring public opinion' that the 'news' media have done in the past, have done in this case, and undoubtedly will continue going forward.

Examples of their typical modus operandi:

Journalists, Illustrating How They Operate, Yesterday Spread a Significant Lie All Over Twitter

Eager to obtain vindication for the pre-election falsehood they spread about the Hunter Biden story, journalists falsely claim that the CIA blamed Russia for it.

greenwald.substack.com

The media has done the same with this instance and the claimed 'Capitol Hill Policeman struck with fire extinguisher' story.

The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Capitol Riot

Insisting on factual accuracy does not make one an apologist for the protesters. False reporting is never justified, especially to inflate threat and fear levels.

greenwald.substack.com

How Do Big Media Outlets So Often "Independently Confirm" Each Other's Falsehoods?

The Washington Post's media-spread error about Trump's Georgia call shows the deceitful playbook first invented to undermine Trump and promote Russiagate.

greenwald.substack.com

But don't worry. This is the 'news' media being 'friends' of the people. 'With friends like that . . .'

 

[tres borrachos]

A lot of people have had their lives totally destroyed over the slander being accused of things that were unfounded. They lost their jobs. Some have been doxed and their families threatened.

Traitors should NEVER have to pay a price! Give them a medal!