A conservative talk-show host who said 'you're probably safer not getting' the vaccine is now seriously ill with COVID-19,

[madman]

A little bit of heaven it is. But it will change too. Orange county is going more and more blue each decade. Anaheim (where Disneyland is) and Santa Ana are largely Hispanic now anyway, and in those once peaceful middle class suburban areas, typical crime, gangs and blight have replaced once middle class neighborhoods And even in Newport, Irvine, Costa Mesa, and Tustin where many wealthy conservative neighborhoods have historically existed, a large influx of wealthy Chinese buying homes is erroding the political landscape there too, as these people for some odd reason-- even wealthy Chinese who escaped communist China, all tend to vote Democrat, and bring in socialist agendas.

I'm not ashamed to say, that as the aging White conservative population dwindles, what replaces us is not making anyplace better. Orange County was once Reagan Country, is now going to the dogs too. But there are still pockets here of sanity, and if you visit, you will feel like you are going back in time to when life in America was like Leave it To Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet. No gangs, no graffiti, no homeless dope heads, just normal Americans. Just stay out of Anahiem and Santa Ana. Total sh** holes.

Dog whistle for: all white people ( you know, like back in the good ole days)

 

[MaryP]

COVID vaccine policy prohibits questions regarding immigration status, for a damn good reason.
One of the main reasons so many in the hispanic community are refusing the vaccine is the hardcore hispanic evangelical community.
They're totally committed to the anti-vax hysteria, just as much of the hardcore black evangelical community is.
Religion is blinding entire swaths of the country to common sense and science.

Geez. I was just about to ask why ministers and priests aren't all on the airwaves calling their flock to get vaccinated.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Geez. I was just about to ask why ministers and priests aren't all on the airwaves calling their flock to get vaccinated.

I am basing my opinion on the fact that my own Nextdoor page is flooded with this.
Almost every other post is from balls to the wall evangelicals screeching about the satanic vaccines and how only God's intercession can save them.
Most of it is in Spanish, by the way.
Nextdoor has not been very good about getting rid of COVID disinfo. They claim they are, they pretend to be doing something about it but the reality doesn't match their PR.

 

[D_NATURED]

And another one bites the dust, oh my is that democratic hoax potent. Who do these people think they are spiteing by not getting vaccinated?

They didn't get the vaccine because they were actively thwarting Biden's plan to have 70% vaccinated by July 4th. They would rather die than see him succeed.

The real failure, though, is in the conservative leadership, who happily win political points at the expense of their constituents. The only bad thing is that the virus isn't deadly enough to have an impact on the next election.

 

[Peter King]

If your first vacc was Astra-Zenica I'd suggest your second be Phizer...super effective combination.

No, in the Netherlands almost nobody got Astra zenica. 2.8 million doses of AZ and almost 14 million of Pfizer-Biontech.

 

[maxparrish]

No, in the Netherlands almost nobody got Astra zenica. 2.8 million doses of AZ and almost 14 million of Pfizer-Biontech.

Then if they would permit it, take AZ as the second dose. Studies have been finding that the AZ-Phizer combination triggers a better anti-body (and T-cell?) response than just two doses of a single brand. The strongest is AZ first, then Phizer...but the reverse also works better over single brand vaccines.

I don't know how old you are but I'm a little surprised that you haven't been vaxed months ago.

If this Delta variant does not abate soon, I'm going to look at AZ, Novarax (sp?), or Sputnik as a booster...

 

[MaryP]

How?

It's a good thing it never rains in AZ, because you would SO get struck by lightning.

 

[CaughtInThe]

maybe he'll recover and have one of these moments...

 

[maxparrish]

Jan 12, 2021 Center of Disease Control and Prevention Study doesn't mince such words. They suggest more than half the infectious spread is by those who show no symptoms. Call it what you wish, they are silent carriers. They do break it down 35% of the asymptomatic spreaders are pre-symptomatic and 24% never show symptoms or are so mild they are missed.

Does appear the CDCP uses the term for silent spreaders...

I'm not going to quibble too much over language, but there is a difference between asymptomatic for the duration of an infection throughout and someone who is pre-symptomatic and a spreader one day before symptoms occur.

More over the CDC also published this study:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article#r9.

And also take particular note of the citations to three other studies (9-11) in that study that all support that asymptomatic is not a significant vector (if at all) of COVID infections.

 

[maxparrish]

CDC urges caution in maintaining social distancing, avoiding crowds and crowded spaces and continue wearing a mask if you are unvaccinated or vaccinated with a weakened immune system or underlying medical conditions, and be aware that asymptomatic people may be able to spread the virus.

The the CDC ought to be reading its own endorsed studies, see post 134.

 

[SCrider]

Well, I don't plan on living more than 8 to 10 years, so I'm open to any change in environment where a) the weather is temperate and b) I'm in a Republican city. Newport Beach sounds like it might last as long as I live...so I'm curious how affordable it is.

Affordable and Newport Beach are never used in the same sentence.....

 

[notquiteright]

I'm not going to quibble too much over language, but there is a difference between asymptomatic for the duration of an infection throughout and someone who is pre-symptomatic and a spreader one day before symptoms occur.

More over the CDC also published this study:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article#r9.

And also take particular note of the citations to three other studies (9-11) in that study that all support that asymptomatic is not a significant vector (if at all) of COVID infections.

Interesting, especially the last part of their conclusions- they allow only one small group studied (59) and their exclusion of certain patients could skew the results. If I read it correctly it was a phone interview of patients.

I'd also don't see where they claim only one day spreader prior to symptoms appearing- especially if those symptoms mimic everything from allergies to common cold....

 

[Peter King]

Then if they would permit it, take AZ as the second dose. Studies have been finding that the AZ-Phizer combination triggers a better anti-body (and T-cell?) response than just two doses of a single brand. The strongest is AZ first, then Phizer...but the reverse also works better over single brand vaccines.

I don't know how old you are but I'm a little surprised that you haven't been vaxed months ago.

If this Delta variant does not abate soon, I'm going to look at AZ, Novarax (sp?), or Sputnik as a booster...

The GGD (who runs the vaccine campaign) does not inject with AZ, that was only done at local GP's. We go to a vaccine location, get injected, someone will observe us for 15 minutes (to make sure no adverse reactions take place to the shot itself) and then you can leave.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It's a good thing it never rains in AZ, because you would SO get struck by lightning.

It's been raining for 6 straight days, lol.

I am no fool. I hang around lightning rods. No valence electrons stick to this kid.

 

[MaryP]

I hang around lightning rods

Good plan.

 

[maxparrish]

Interesting, especially the last part of their conclusions- they allow only one small group studied (59) and their exclusion of certain patients could skew the results. If I read it correctly it was a phone interview of patients.

I'd also don't see where they claim only one day spreader prior to symptoms appearing- especially if those symptoms mimic everything from allergies to common cold....

Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China - Nature Communications

Large-scale population screening can provide insights to levels of ongoing SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Here, the authors report a citywide screening of ~10,000,000 residents of Wuhan and show that SARS-CoV-2 infection prevalence was very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.

www.nature.com

Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19

“A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles.” Dr. Joseph Mercola. Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19. 04 December 2020...

canadahealthalliance.org

Scientists including Anthony Fauci have reversed course on the likelihood of asymptomatic transmission. At a press conference in January, Fauci could not have been clearer. Asymptomatic transmission was not a threat: The one thing historically people need to realize is that even if there is some asymptomatic transmission, in all the history of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is always a symptomatic person. Even if there’s a rare asymptomatic person that might transmit, an epidemic is not driven by asymptomatic carriers. ()

At a press conference on June 8, a senior World Health Organization scientist also said people almost never transmitted the coronavirus if they did not have at least mild symptoms. In response to a question about asymptomatic transmission, Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist and the “technical lead” for WHO’s Covid-19 response team, said: We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They're following asymptomatic cases, they're following contacts and they're not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare. People who were reported to be asymptomatic generally had at least mild disease, like a low fever or cough, Van Kerkhove said. (https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ss-conference-08jun2020.pdf?sfvrsn=f6fd460a_0) ...modeling suggests that up to 40 percent of infections could come from asymptomatic cases. But when real-world contact tracers tried to find actual evidence of asymptomatic spread of Sars-Cov-2, they are basically unable to do so. In July, the WHO noted that four studies had showed that “between 0% and 2.2% of people with asymptomatic infection infected anyone else.” (https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...ications-for-infection-prevention-precautions).
...
Berenson, Alex; Berenson , Alex. UNREPORTED TRUTHS ABOUT COVID-19 AND LOCKDOWNS: Combined Parts 1-3: Death Counts, Lockdowns, and Masks (pp. 91-94). Blue Deep, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

As far as to when CV-19 is most contagious, I don't recall where I obtained those numbers. However, since you asked I have found a wide variety of estimates, seemingly concentrated from one or two days before symptom onset, with up to 5 days after onset.

 

[maxparrish]

The GGD (who runs the vaccine campaign) does not inject with AZ, that was only done at local GP's. We go to a vaccine location, get injected, someone will observe us for 15 minutes (to make sure no adverse reactions take place to the shot itself) and then you can leave.

So I am curios...why did you wait till July?

 

[notquiteright]

Post-lockdown SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening in nearly ten million residents of Wuhan, China - Nature Communications

Large-scale population screening can provide insights to levels of ongoing SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Here, the authors report a citywide screening of ~10,000,000 residents of Wuhan and show that SARS-CoV-2 infection prevalence was very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.

www.nature.com

Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19

“A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles.” Dr. Joseph Mercola. Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19. 04 December 2020...

canadahealthalliance.org

As far as to when CV-19 is most contagious, I don't recall where I obtained those numbers. However, since you asked I have found a wide variety of estimates, seemingly concentrated from one or two days before symptom onset, with up to 5 days after onset.

I'd like to see the narrow window for transmitting the virus. The Canadian source wants me to sign up, the Chinese one I don't know if we can take it at face value. They haven't been very upfront from the start. If you use the term asymptomatic to include those who have picked up virus fragments and thus testing positive I get it. If the term is for those who get the virus but show no symptoms or so mild the patient just shrugs it off that's a different horse....

 

[Peter King]

So I am curios...why did you wait till July?

Well, I had to wait until my age group was up, and I had to try and organize it that I got it when my older mother got it. And she has been mostly bedridden since December last year due to back issues. I use a rollator/walker and cannot push my mother in her push wheelchair so I had to get my sister to help me get her vaccinated.

And vaccinating here is popular. It was so busy that it took about 10 days to get the first opening for my mother. I wasn't able to get it on the same day as my mother, I had to wait 2 more days for an appointment. And we had to go about 12/14 miles to the nearest available vaccine location where they vaccinate more than 1400 people a day. We have a vaccine location about half a mile away but then I would have had to wait weeks more.

In the US vaccination might be lagging, but here about 60% is fully vaccinated and a good chunk of people had their first vaccine and are waiting for their second. We have 17 million people in our country (including children) and we are vaccinating about 1.1 million people a week (which in US figures would mean 17 million vaccinations a week).

We have already started vaccinating all kids (who want to have one or who's parents agree for them to have one, depending on age) aged 12 to 17. The Dutch government wants to do this before the new school year starts.

 

[maxparrish]

Well, I had to wait until my age group was up, and I had to try and organize it that I got it when my older mother got it. And she has been mostly bedridden since December last year due to back issues. I use a rollator/walker and cannot push my mother in her push wheelchair so I had to get my sister to help me get her vaccinated.

And vaccinating here is popular. It was so busy that it took about 10 days to get the first opening for my mother. I wasn't able to get it on the same day as my mother, I had to wait 2 more days for an appointment. And we had to go about 12/14 miles to the nearest available vaccine location where they vaccinate more than 1400 people a day. We have a vaccine location about half a mile away but then I would have had to wait weeks more.

In the US vaccination might be lagging, but here about 60% is fully vaccinated and a good chunk of people had their first vaccine and are waiting for their second. We have 17 million people in our country (including children) and we are vaccinating about 1.1 million people a week (which in US figures would mean 17 million vaccinations a week).

We have already started vaccinating all kids (who want to have one or who's parents agree for them to have one, depending on age) aged 12 to 17. The Dutch government wants to do this before the new school year starts.

Yes the US is lagging, but not because there hasn't been an opportunity. Doses peaked April 13th and its been sliding downhill since. It reached its daily bottom July 11th, at about 15 to 20% of the daily rate at the peak (600k per day). That has held steady and flat.

There is a segment of the population, both rightly and wrongly, holding out. Anyone younger than 40 who refuses isn't at a significant risk. But the older one gets, the more significant the risk. I'm 70 with 3 co-morbidities so it was a no brainer.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes the US is lagging, but not because there hasn't been an opportunity. Doses peaked April 13th and its been sliding downhill since. It reached its daily bottom July 11th, at about 15 to 20% of the daily rate at the peak (600k per day). That has held steady and flat.

There is a segment of the population, both rightly and wrongly, holding out. Anyone younger than 40 who refuses isn't at a significant risk. But the older one gets, the more significant the risk. I'm 70 with 3 co-morbidities so it was a no brainer.

Inaccurate and outdated.
There's been a steady and alarming increase of young and otherwise healthy individuals flooding hospitals with acute cases of this new Delta mutated strain.
You're just unaware of it.

 

[RAMOSS]

Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19

“A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles.” Dr. Joseph Mercola. Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19. 04 December 2020...

canadahealthalliance.org

As far as to when CV-19 is most contagious, I don't recall where I obtained those numbers. However, since you asked I have found a wide variety of estimates, seemingly concentrated from one or two days before symptom onset, with up to 5 days after onset.

The most influential spreader of coronavirus misinformation online

Its assertions were easily disprovable. No matter. Withinhours, the article was translated into other languages, appeared on dozens of blogs, picked up by anti-vaccination activists, On Facebook, it reached 400,000 people. The effort traced back to one man.

www.seattletimes.com

Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Florida, has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.

 

[bomberfox]

I wanna know who is funding all this disinfo.

 

[bomberfox]

We tried to tell ya!

 

[bomberfox]

I dont feel an ounce of sorrow really. Nother one bites the dust.