No, that is not the thing.Ah, but here's the thing.
No, that is not the thing.
You either get the facts straight or you don't.
Getting them straight before, or after the fact, matters. Just as keeping them straight does.
George Zimmerman found not guilty
I still think that Zimmerman created the situation and Trayvon died as a result of that situation.
Or we could say it is the fault of the contractor who built the condo complex. If he hadn't have built it, this would have never have happened either.
George Zimmerman found not guilty
I still think that Zimmerman created the situation and Trayvon died as a result of that situation.
I notice you use Zimmerman's last name and Martin's first name, similar to the prosecution who tried to portray Martin as a child. Interesting.
Usually people who make such comments believe that Martin had every right to be where he was, when he was, and so didn't deserve to die. I'll agree with you on that one.
However, why is it that the same people never acknowledge that Zimmerman also had every right to be where he was, when he was, and didn't deserve to be attacked? After all, Zimmerman was a resident of the same complex - Martin was a temporary resident, but still a resident. But Zimmerman also was a neighborhood watchman for the complex, a position that carried with it a responsibility to look out for strangers in the area, because of the recent high incidence of crime in the complex. As such, didn't Zimmerman have the right to follow Martin if he didn't know him and didn't know his purpose there? Didn't Zimmerman, by virtue of being the neighborhood watchman, have the right, if not the authority, to try to find out who Martin was and what he was up to?
Clearly, the end result was tragic, but why is it that Zimmerman's right to be there, doing what he was doing, isn't even acknowledged let alone credited?
No you don't as ™ brought on the situation by attacking. Had he not attacked, Zimmerman would have continued back to his vehicle unmolested and nothing would have happened. Not a damn thing!I have the facts straight. Perfectly.
He had every right and privilege to get out of his vehicle as he wanted.George Zimmerman should have never left his car. Period.
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have the facts straight. Perfectly.
George Zimmerman should have never left his car. Period. I don't have to color him all rosy to believe he did nothing wrong and should have been found not guilty. Getting out of his car was reckless. As evidenced by the fact that he got the **** kicked out of him.
No you don't as ™ brought on the situation by attacking. Had he not attacked, Zimmerman would have continued back to his vehicle unmolested and nothing would have happened. Not a damn thing!
It all hinges on ™'s illegal activity.
Not Zimmerman's legal activity in getting out of his vehicle.
He had every right and privilege to get out of his vehicle as he wanted.
Even the Call-taker told him to let him know if the suspicious person did anything else.
His getting out of his vehicle did not cause the event. ™ choosing to attack a person going back to their vehicle caused it. And he had 4 whole minutes to decide not to, but chose otherwise. Yes he is the cause, and responsible.
Sorry but that's bull**** and the same bogus legal bull****, the state used...... that Z made a bad judgment call by getting out of his car to look for M instead of waiting for the cops.
The getting out of the car thing is simply not a crime, and it's not a legal provocation, for M's use of force *assault* against Z.
Had he not attacked, Zimmerman would have continued back to his vehicle unmolested and nothing would have happened. .
I guess my response is too obtuse for people to understand. I'm not saying it's Zimmerman's fault. It isn't. I'm saying it was reckless behavior. See my response to Excon above. If it were me, and I thought someone was up to no good? There's no freakin' WAY I'm getting out of my car.
Yes! I know! It's not illegal. It's not Martin's fault for getting out of the car. He did nothing wrong. If you were a dad, and it was your daughter? You'd say, "What in the HELL did you get out of your car for???" That's where I'm coming from.
Makes too much sense. You either believe in the hagiography of St. George, or you're a mouth-breathing Obamabot liberal troglodyte.
Hmmm?Nope wrong, nobody in the world knows what would have happened. But I guarantee you it wasn't going to end there.
If you were a dad, and it was your daughter? You'd say, "What in the HELL did you get out of your car for???" That's where I'm coming from.
"I got outta the car to see where, the dude had run off to, so I could tell the cops when they got there, mom!!!!!"
Hmmm?
You don't know, but can guarantee. Strange!
A jury heard all the evidence presented by both sides and unanimously agreed that it wasn't murder. So he walks just as he should.
Not really. Pretty damn certain that George would not have just drove home whistling show tunes and that Martin would have just skipped on home.
What actually would have happened is a mystery. I don't know if Z would have drove around with his lights off continuing to look for him or went further and got out to look for him. Or we don't know if M would have tried to throw a rock at the car following him. We just don't know. But at this point the two combatants have a full steam of hate of the other.
I said he would not be convicted. The prosecution could no prove their case. There was too much reasonable doubt. But I agree if Zimmerman has heeded the suggestion that he not follow Trayvon none of this would have happened.
Well, if I'm walking home at night, and a guy starts following me...I'd get pretty defensive. :Shrug:
My guess, Zimmerman is back in the news in less than a year.
I notice you use Zimmerman's last name and Martin's first name, similar to the prosecution who tried to portray Martin as a child. Interesting.
Wrong, he made a valid observation, and displayed a favoritism on your part.Yes, that is the level of lack of integrity of some Zimmerman haters throughout these debates. It's like the Reuter's reporter who referred to the 6'2" 17 year old Trayvon Martin only as "that YOUNG child" and those - on this forum and in the media, who always show a picture of Martin when he was 12. Anyone ever post a picture of Zimmerman when he was 12 for him - or at all?
The only one engaged and ready for *assault and battery* was M and the only that had a full steam of hate and anger was M
A jury also unanimously acquitted OJ simpson of murder. I'm not saying Zimmerman should or shouldn't have walked but saying he should because the jury said so and that's that is horrendous reasoning.
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