Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began

[Simon W. Moon]

How useful, worth while, is a treaty which isn't complied with? If it's ignored, isn't it like is isn't not even there?

How useful is one which sees only 99.9999% compliance?
What about a treaty which sees 85% compliance?
How different is a treaty which sees 58.9% compliance than a treaty which sees 59.8% compliance?


You keep trying to conflate "some issues" with "worthless".

But the two things are just not the same.

But if that's what you have to believe to keep believing what you believe,
I won't be able to convince you otherwise.

 

[American]

Big difference was that Biden was presenting the official US view, with bipartisan support from congress, and did so publicly. Trump presented his personal 'requirements' in disregard of what congress approved, and then did his best to hide/distort the fact, and punish those who made it public

There was no bipartisan support for ordering someone fired. WTF are talking about?

 

[American]

And yet you "Like" the hyper-partisan posts of Ameican

We're running out of irony meters, stop breaking them!

 

[Rogue Valley]

We're running out of irony meters, stop breaking them!

Stop acting the fool.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Another con OP claiming/blaming/wishing Biden to be like Trump.

If Trump were President, this invasion would not have happened.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

If Trump were President, this invasion would not have happened.

The support you offer for your assertion could be more convincing.

It seems mostly a faith-based assertion, tbh.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If Trump were President, this invasion would not have happened.

Bull shit, if anything Trump would be assisting Putin by trying to create more chaos at the UN and in NATO.

 

[eohrnberger]

How useful is one which sees only 99.9999% compliance?
What about a treaty which sees 85% compliance?
How different is a treaty which sees 58.9% compliance than a treaty which sees 59.8% compliance?

Fair point.

You keep trying to conflate "some issues" with "worthless".

No, I'm not. I'm just asking a question.

But the two things are just not the same.

Fair enough.

But if that's what you have to believe to keep believing what you believe,
I won't be able to convince you otherwise.

Oh stop already.

 

[Rexedgar]

To whom it may concern:

It is amazing how fast some people can pivot. First they are virologists, then they become economists, seamlessly switch to foreign relations experts and now they are military geniuses.

 

[bluesmoke]

American actually thinks we're all stupid enough to believe that the man who unlawfully withheld military aid from Ukraine in an attempt to extort fake dirt on a political rival's son would not only have stopped Putin himself, but would have given more aid and sooner.



As always, it's a situation where I have standing to say "gee, I wish we'd sent over a load of gear sooner", but American and the rest of the Trumpists have nothing to say. Of course they don't. Theirs is a hate-based ideology, so there's no principle behind anything that they spew. They'll contradict themselves three times in the same sentence if they think it'll help them say "LIBRUL BAD!"

The contradictions require clarity in order to even have a basis of understanding upon which to have intelligent debate. That pursuit leads to tentacles of diversion from any substantive debate that is part of the confusion style of con posting that purposely frustrates any attempt at honest engagement and respect of the debate process, such as recognizing evidence of fact to support claims made and definitions, among a few. One is being led too many times the wrong way around the barn to get to a point that, if and when made, is ignored and redirected to another beyond. Most debate with cons on this forum goes nowhere. It's a circuitous meander when attempting to honestly address a con poster's stick and stones thrown on the path of forthright debate.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No, I'm not. I'm just asking a question.

You are "just asking questions" in an attempt to imply that our unilateral withdrawal from the treaty was meaningless.

That's why you asked the loaded goofy question you asked.

shrug

 

[jpn]

Stop acting the fool.

He's not acting.

 

[Hamish Howl]

"I need you to do us a favor."

 

[jpn]

If Trump were President, this invasion would not have happened.

Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine under Trump? Because the criminal doesn't mug the old lady when he's got her on the verge of signing her entire estate over to him.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy aid it’s a “pity” U.S. support came after Russia invaded Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com

I have little doubt this was intentional. Wouldn't put it passed Biden to withhold support because he wanted to meet with Putin. Either that or the Scranton Scrapper is gutless coward.

Congress wants to go further for Ukraine. It may be too late.

At least $10 billion in emergency funding is likely to be included in a package to aid Ukraine, with the majority of that money going toward helping refugees, Sen. Chris Coons said.

www.politico.com

LOL, Such moronic trolling. Trump and Republicans have been on ht side of russia for year, who the **** are you kidding? Damn, the level of trolling from the right is downright pathetic

 

[Geoist]

Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy aid it’s a “pity” U.S. support came after Russia invaded Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com

I have little doubt this was intentional. Wouldn't put it passed Biden to withhold support because he wanted to meet with Putin. Either that or the Scranton Scrapper is gutless coward.

Congress wants to go further for Ukraine. It may be too late.

At least $10 billion in emergency funding is likely to be included in a package to aid Ukraine, with the majority of that money going toward helping refugees, Sen. Chris Coons said.

www.politico.com

You really want to do this?

 

[Fledermaus]

Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy aid it’s a “pity” U.S. support came after Russia invaded Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com

I have little doubt this was intentional. Wouldn't put it passed Biden to withhold support because he wanted to meet with Putin. Either that or the Scranton Scrapper is gutless coward.

Congress wants to go further for Ukraine. It may be too late.

At least $10 billion in emergency funding is likely to be included in a package to aid Ukraine, with the majority of that money going toward helping refugees, Sen. Chris Coons said.

www.politico.com

Not exactly what was said.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky complained Thursday that the US and other countries waited too long to respond to Russia’s invasion of his country -— calling sanctions a “good start,” but saying only a no-fly zone would stop the slaughter.

“The whole world started making decisions too late,” Zelenksy said in a televised address.

 

[Fledermaus]

And yet 4 years, no Russia invasion of Ukraine under Trump.
1 year into Biden's residency, and we're staring down WWIII.

Putin's fault.

Not Biden's.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

And yet 4 years, no Russia invasion of Ukraine under Trump.
1 year into Biden's residency, and we're staring down WWIII.

For years no pandemics

Yet, during Trump's Admin, BOOM!

We're staring down a pandemic.

post hoc ergo propter hoc is the best sort of logical fallacy there is, yes?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine under Trump? Because the criminal doesn't mug the old lady when he's got her on the verge of signing her entire estate over to him.

LOL, sure. The reason Putin invaded Crimea in 2014, and now Ukraine in 2022, is not because Biden is handing over the cookie jar, it's that Trump was going to hand over the cookie jar, even though he didn't hand over the cookie jar.

Orange man bad!

 

[Rogue Valley]

LOL, sure. The reason Putin invaded Crimea in 2014, and now Ukraine in 2022, is not because Biden is handing over the cookie jar, it's that Trump was going to hand over the cookie jar, even though he didn't hand over the cookie jar.

Orange man bad!

Some people are just tone-deaf. Or indoctrinated.....


Trump repeatedly praised Putin.
Trump hired a pro Russian criminal to run his campaign.
Trump said it was good Russia invaded Crimea.
Trump made the 2016 GOP platform anti-Ukraine.
Trump repeatedly dismissed Russian hacking.
Trump capitalized on Russian meddling in 2016.
Trump denied Russian interference in 2016.
Trump undermined Russian sanctions.
Trump was open to lifting sanctions.
Trump would never say Putin was a killer.
Trump tried to return spy bases to Russia.
Trump gave Russia classified intel.
Trump repeatedly attacked NATO.
Trump had to be forced into signing new Russian sanctions.
Trump pushed for a joint cyber security unit with Russia.
Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats from Russia.
Trump eased sanctions on Putin’s top oligarchs.
Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election.
Trump tried to rescind sanctions on Russia for poisoning a defector.
Trump blocked a US statement condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
Trump repeatedly praised far-right pro Russian leaders in Europe.
Trump refused to condemn Russia’s 2018 attack on Ukraine’s military.
Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Trump pushed to let Russia in the G-7.
Trump gave Syria to Russia.
Trump echoed Russian talking points on ISIS.
Trump spread Russian lies about Ukraine.
Trump froze US aid to Ukraine.
Trump smeared US Ambassador to Ukraine.
Trump tried to visit Putin on Russian soil.
Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid.
Trump invited Putin to 2020 G-7 Summit.
Trump ordered CIA to share Intel with Russia.
Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties on our soldiers.
Trump called Russian bounty story a “hoax.”
It’s as if Trump worked for Putin.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

The Russian bounty story was a hoax. Do try to keep up. https://www.yahoo.com/video/russian-bounty-story-falls-apart-192123174.html So, the warnings about Russian bounties were bullshit.

Regarding sharing of intel with Russia. “There was a consistent push for [counter-terrorism] cooperation with Moscow, coming from the White House, despite near universal belief within the IC that this effort would be one sided and end up being a waste of time and energy,” said Marc Polymeropoulos. So what? The President runs the show, not "former officials of the CIA" and policy in this country is set by the civilian authority. If the President thought it was a good idea to cooperate with Moscow on counterterrorism, then that's what he thought was right. You may recall the "great reset" where the Obama/Biden Admin and Hillary Clinton were all buddy buddy with Russia, and that Obama "had more flexibility after the election" with Russia. Different administrations have different policies, and they try to solve problems and get along with other countries, yes, even Russia.

Sure, invite Russia to the G-7 summit - good. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-sense-to-include-russia-in-g7-idUSKBN23A285

Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid? GTFO -- Biden came in saying he was defeating the virus, and about twice as many people died under his watch than under Trump.

Aid to Ukraine? Trump increased aid to Ukraine. https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-to-send-250-million-in-lethal-aid-to-ukraine and https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...e-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898 -

Knowing about the Russian buildup around Ukraine, Biden halted military aid to Ukraine. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169 - do try to keep up. It's Biden who gave Putin what he wanted when he greenlit Nordstream 2 and canned Keystone here in the states, while pulling back fossil fuel production, and then Biden cut back on aid to Ukraine. Biden all but invited Putin in.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The Russian bounty story was a hoax. Do try to keep up. https://www.yahoo.com/video/russian-bounty-story-falls-apart-192123174.html So, the warnings about Russian bounties were bullshit.

Regarding sharing of intel with Russia. “There was a consistent push for [counter-terrorism] cooperation with Moscow, coming from the White House, despite near universal belief within the IC that this effort would be one sided and end up being a waste of time and energy,” said Marc Polymeropoulos. So what? The President runs the show, not "former officials of the CIA" and policy in this country is set by the civilian authority. If the President thought it was a good idea to cooperate with Moscow on counterterrorism, then that's what he thought was right. You may recall the "great reset" where the Obama/Biden Admin and Hillary Clinton were all buddy buddy with Russia, and that Obama "had more flexibility after the election" with Russia. Different administrations have different policies, and they try to solve problems and get along with other countries, yes, even Russia.

Sure, invite Russia to the G-7 summit - good. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-sense-to-include-russia-in-g7-idUSKBN23A285

Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid? GTFO -- Biden came in saying he was defeating the virus, and about twice as many people died under his watch than under Trump.

Aid to Ukraine? Trump increased aid to Ukraine. https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...-to-send-250-million-in-lethal-aid-to-ukraine and https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...e-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898 -

Knowing about the Russian buildup around Ukraine, Biden halted military aid to Ukraine. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169 - do try to keep up. It's Biden who gave Putin what he wanted when he greenlit Nordstream 2 and canned Keystone here in the states, while pulling back fossil fuel production, and then Biden cut back on aid to Ukraine. Biden all but invited Putin in.

Righto. And the 2020 election had massive fraud also!

And btw.... Nordstream-2 was 95% complete when Biden took office.

12.21.19
But aside from the NATO summit outburst, the Trump administration has shown limited interest in Congress’s objection to the pipeline over the past three years. In the mean time, construction has progressed at breakneck speed.

Already last year it was clear that the pipeline was probably unstoppable unless the U.S. took immediate action, which it did not. Since then, Denmark has given the last approval needed for the project. The company constructing Nord Stream 2 says it is now 83% finished, with 2,042 kilometers (1,270 miles) already laid at the bottom of the Baltic Sea. They say the last section through Danish territorial waters, approved after a long delay in October, can be constructed in just five weeks.

Trump Imposes Sanctions To Stop Nord Stream 2 – But It’s Too late

The U.S. move has been condemned as an attempt to force the European Union to buy American LNG rather than Russian pipeline gas.

www.forbes.com

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Believe what you want to believe. If you still think the Russian bounty thing was real, you just don't pay attention to anything but "orange man bad."

 

[Rogue Valley]

Believe what you want to believe. If you still think the Russian bounty thing was real, you just don't pay attention to anything but "orange man bad."

And you believe your Trump propaganda.

There is no point in discusiing facts with Trumpists.