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Zelensky PUTS SCREWS INTO Trump after NEW BETRAYAL (1 Viewer)

Zelensky did not authorize, encourage, or advocate for the murder of ethnic Russians.
Whether that is true or not, the Donbas civil war (where 84% supported Russia) saw tens of thousands of Russians slaughtered by Ukrainians.

Putin is a scumbag - no question. But no more so than Zalenskyy.

Vlad and Vlod - two piles shit that no decent person should support.
 
Whether that is true or not, the Donbas civil war (where 84% supported Russia) saw tens of thousands of Russians slaughtered by Ukrainians.

Putin is a scumbag - no question. But no more so than Zalenskyy.

Vlad and Vlod - two piles shit that no decent person should support.

Tens of thousands of Russians?

Last time I checked the casualties were thousands of Ukrainian forces, thousands of Ukrainian separatists and Ukrainian civilians on both sides.
 
Whether that is true or not, the Donbas civil war (where 84% supported Russia) saw tens of thousands of Russians slaughtered by Ukrainians.

Putin is a scumbag - no question. But no more so than Zalenskyy.

Vlad and Vlod - two piles shit that no decent person should support.

Few, other than Putin apologists, take those elections, controlled by Russia after all, seriously.
 
There is absolutely no requirement for the leftist narratives to be factual. The paramount requirement is that a narrative has to evoke strong emotions in order to psychologically manipulate weak minded people into supporting the left. If the narrative isn't convincing enough the left likes to insult everyone else by calling them racists and Putin lovers. Luckily this mind****ery only works on the left and everyone else sees it for what it really is: Propaganda and pure bullshit.

It's hard to support a tyrant without defending him, isn't it?
 
If that is the case why did Russia not go after easier pickings like the 'stans?

Because this is to be a forever war, so that both sides have decades of war profiteering potential.

Vlad gets to be dictator
Vlod gets filthy rich
The MIC has a continuing market
Nancy Pelosi gets even richer
 
Great source Comrade. DuckDuck blocked it as spoofed and unsafe.

That is the "quality" of information the board Stalinists rely on.

Are you suggesting Trump, who blames the war on Zelenskyy, isn't aligned with Russia?
 
Because this is to be a forever war, so that both sides have decades of war profiteering potential.

Vlad gets to be dictator
Vlod gets filthy rich
The MIC has a continuing market
Nancy Pelosi gets even richer



Its as simple as that. War is good business
 
Oh so now we are going to use ancient history to compare nations in the 21st century? The world order that the US established after WWII protects countries from annexation and the US has complied with that. We are not helping Ukraine because we are "policemen" it is in our national interest to protect europe from wars of conquest. Remember Hitler? The difference between Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan is that we were attempting to install democracies and self Govt. in those nations where Russia's aim in Ukraine is to destroy a democracy and annex them into Russia or at the very least install a puppet Govt. controlled by Moscow. Ukraine is nothing like a proxy war because we are supporting the interests of the democratically elected govt. there. If you are now going to say we can't afford to help Ukraine then you should know that losing to Russia will cost America 7 times as much as helping Ukraine win.

Running the numbers: What if the US were to stop supporting Ukraine?

(redacted for brevity reasons)

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5111659-cost-of-ukraine-losing-analysis/

Ah, the classic domino rerun—if Ukraine falls, then by that logic we're soon going to see Russian tanks rolling through Paris! This simulation is a textbook case of "garbage in, garbage out," recycling a tired Cold War myth into modern political theater. The notion that a Russian takeover in Ukraine magically forces America to spawn 14 new brigade combat teams, 18 extra battle force ships, eight Marine battalions, 555 Air Force jets, and a whopping 266,000 more troops is as absurd as believing that one missing domino will trigger a global topple.

Let’s be real: whether Russia controls Ukraine or not has zero impact on its ability to take on all of Europe. The real debate isn’t about a broad Russian conquest, but about whether European powers—Germany, France, Italy—will finally put their money where their mouths are when it comes to defense. After all, these nations have long shirked real responsibility for European security, so expecting them to battle Russia head-on seems optimistic at best.

And speaking of spending, while an increase in defense budgets might indeed be necessary, it’s largely because we've already drained our reserves in this clumsy Ukraine proxy war. Our real strategic challenge isn’t a resurgent Russia but a rising China. If anyone is buying into this whacky simulation, it’s high time they reconsidered: what we need is not endless escalation but a peace agreement with Russia—one that promotes a genuine rapprochement. After all, why settle for a scenario where Russia is nothing more than a junior partner to Xi Jinping when we could have it as an economic and diplomatic ally for a more stable and prosperous future?
 
Few, other than Putin apologists, take those elections, controlled by Russia after all, seriously.

War Pigs don't accept elections. They need the forever war in Ukraine to replace the forever war in Afghanistan.

The will of the people means nothing - only the MIC and war profiteering.
 
Are you suggesting Trump, who blames the war on Zelenskyy, isn't aligned with Russia?

My suggestion was that the source the board Stalinist used was spoofed to the point that security systems blocked it. It was as sleazy as a porn site,

As far as the lie that Trump is aligned with Russia, that's just stupidity from the Stalinists.
 
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I'm denying nothing. Why not? Because you've not proved any of your claims.

Moreover, you've not proved that doing any of these things after an unwarranted and unprovoked invasion, occupation, and attack by another country automatically makes one a "dictator".

In order to prove your claims, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

And good luck proving that a leader defending his country against violent aggression by an outside force somehow morphs into a "dictator".

AND, yes, were trump to mimic the actions of a wartime leader whose country has been attacked for 3 long years, trump would indeed by a dictator. Why? Because the USA has not been invaded, occupied, brutalized, and destroyed for the last 3 years by a much larger, much stronger country.

Sometimes, MAGA simply doesn't make sense.

So, you genuinely believe Ukraine held elections after Zelenskyy's five-year term expired? You can continue to operate under the ostrich principle of discussion, or you can face reality. I'm not going to rehash what's already well documented—do your own research. By the way, if my statements were wrong, why didn't you find anything to refute them? And remember, Google isn't exactly your friend, though it might help you occasionally (I’d recommend Bing or DuckDuckGo over Google).

However, to help assuage your concerns, here are two articles to give you a start:

Zelenskyy says elections will be held after martial law is lifted

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

 
Ah, the classic domino rerun—if Ukraine falls, then by that logic we're soon going to see Russian tanks rolling through Paris! This simulation is a textbook case of "garbage in, garbage out," recycling a tired Cold War myth into modern political theater. The notion that a Russian takeover in Ukraine magically forces America to spawn 14 new brigade combat teams, 18 extra battle force ships, eight Marine battalions, 555 Air Force jets, and a whopping 266,000 more troops is as absurd as believing that one missing domino will trigger a global topple.

Let’s be real: whether Russia controls Ukraine or not has zero impact on its ability to take on all of Europe. The real debate isn’t about a broad Russian conquest, but about whether European powers—Germany, France, Italy—will finally put their money where their mouths are when it comes to defense. After all, these nations have long shirked real responsibility for European security, so expecting them to battle Russia head-on seems optimistic at best.

And speaking of spending, while an increase in defense budgets might indeed be necessary, it’s largely because we've already drained our reserves in this clumsy Ukraine proxy war. Our real strategic challenge isn’t a resurgent Russia but a rising China. If anyone is buying into this whacky simulation, it’s high time they reconsidered: what we need is not endless escalation but a peace agreement with Russia—one that promotes a genuine rapprochement. After all, why settle for a scenario where Russia is nothing more than a junior partner to Xi Jinping when we could have it as an economic and diplomatic ally for a more stable and prosperous future?

Your logic also gave the EU and America the falsehood that Russia would not invade Ukraine but what happened? There is no doubt that Putin has threatened to invade other countries in eastern europe and the Russia economy has been converted to a war footing that is not likely to change. If we lose in Ukraine Russia will conscript Ukrainians to fight its next war. You even admit that the entire free world will need to spend trillions on defense to face this threat and you claim none of it will be ours? Are we going to become Russia's ally in their conquests? We have a good chance to stop Russian aggression in Ukraine and likely topple the Kremlin regime without losing a single American soldier and you want us to bail? There will be no "peace agreement" with Russia that Putin will observe so that is another joke. China is watching what happens in Ukraine closely and if the west loses it's nerve they will take that as a signal to start their own wars of conquest.
 
Tens of thousands of Russians?

Last time I checked the casualties were thousands of Ukrainian forces, thousands of Ukrainian separatists and Ukrainian civilians on both sides.

Kewl, and irrelevant.

The statement I made regarded the Donbas civil war that saw the Russian army invade. Not the forever war you so desperately wish to see continue.

Ukraine lacked popular support, so did what any good tyranny would do, started slaughtering dissenters. See, you of the left want to pretend that there is a good guy. But the reality is two groups of thugs are fighting it out.
 
The majority of Donbas never supported leaving Ukraine to join Russia.

That is a blatant lie. 4 out of 5 voters supported joining Russia/

What slaughter of Russians by Ukrainians?

You actually have no knowledge of this at all, do you? You support Ukraine because the party told you to.

Knowledge is forbidden to the drones of the democrat hive, as ignorance is the strength of the party.

But for lurkers;

 
Because this is to be a forever war, so that both sides have decades of war profiteering potential.

Vlad gets to be dictator
Vlod gets filthy rich
The MIC has a continuing market
Nancy Pelosi gets even richer

Show your work.
 
Kewl, and irrelevant.

The statement I made regarded the Donbas civil war that saw the Russian army invade. Not the forever war you so desperately wish to see continue.

Ukraine lacked popular support, so did what any good tyranny would do, started slaughtering dissenters. See, you of the left want to pretend that there is a good guy. But the reality is two groups of thugs are fighting it out.
You are 100% wrong about Ukraine and have zero evidence to back up your slanderous accusations. Russia is a terrorist State that is murdering Ukrainian civilians daily while Ukraine is trying to defend itself from genocide. This is as clear as day.
 
Then Russia shouldn't be suffering as it is.

Putin doesn't care if the Russian people suffer. War solidifies his dictatorship. That is the agreement between Putin and Obama - forever war helps them both.
 

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