Zelensky PUTS SCREWS INTO Trump after NEW BETRAYAL (1 Viewer)

[anatta]

That would require trusting Putin.

Any reasonable observer would see Minsk as a practical and fair way out of this crisis. It has largely been blocked by a Kyiv regime that has long feared Donbas’s pro-Russian sentiment and resisted its “home rule”

the subject was autonomy for Donbas. see post 53

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yet all these Russia haters never pack up and go help Ukraine fight.

the subject was autonomy for Donbas. see post 53

You mean the Donbas that Putin annexed?

That's some autonomy.

 

[maxparrish]

Exactly an act of dictatorship.

You might tell the British they were a dictatorship in WW2, because their parliament suspended elections with the agreement of the three partys.

 

[Pyrite]

Are you denying that Zelensky has declared Martial Law, refused to hold elections, outlawed 11 opposition political parties, banned media that questioned the government, nationalized the TV system, and is seizing church property? If Trump took the same actions as Zelenskyy, wouldn't you and others on the left be calling him a dictator?

Post #151


I'm denying nothing. Why not? Because you've not proved any of your claims.

Moreover, you've not proved that doing any of these things after an unwarranted and unprovoked invasion, occupation, and attack by another country automatically makes one a "dictator".

In order to prove your claims, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

And good luck proving that a leader defending his country against violent aggression by an outside force somehow morphs into a "dictator".

AND, yes, were trump to mimic the actions of a wartime leader whose country has been attacked for 3 long years, trump would indeed by a dictator. Why? Because the USA has not been invaded, occupied, brutalized, and destroyed for the last 3 years by a much larger, much stronger country.

Sometimes, MAGA simply doesn't make sense.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Yet you remain in the US, a country you now hate. Since you hate Russia so much too, and seemingly love Ukraine, why not go there and help them defeat Russia and America?

Supporters of the Ukraine aren’t anti-U.S. it’s the supporters of Putin who have abandoned U.S. anti-tyrannical governments policies. Eisenhower would have a few things to say about where folks like yourself stand. So would Truman. So would Churchill. So would De Gaulle. Even JFK.

That you don’t know that details your knowledge, or lack thereof, regarding how far Trump and the rest of Putin minions have strayed from where we use to stand on such policy.

 

[marduc]

the subject was autonomy for Donbas. see post 53

The subject was dictated by the OP. Not some buried post by you on page 3 of a 250+ post thread.

 

[anatta]

Reread it for clarity. There was no ambiguity or nuance behind what I posted.. it was straightforward and crystal clear.

Q) Why did Russia attack the country with no defense
A) they had no defense

But wait.. 4 years later... they ****ing do have a defense.

that assumes Russia had no qualms with the Maidan,. NATO expansion ( as promised to Ukr and pushed by the west/Kyiv) and a host of other factors you are ignoring.. In fact Ukr was able to stop the initial invasion cold in it's tracks west of the Dnieper and the forces deployed to capture Kyiv.

You can thank Trump largely for that. He gave Ukr JAVELIN ( wireless tow) that melted Russian armor

 

[Hamish Howl]

Supporters of the Ukraine aren’t anti-U.S. it’s the supporters of Putin who have abandoned U.S. anti-tyrannical governments policies. Eisenhower would have a few things to say about where folks like yourself stand. So would Truman. So would Churchill. So would De Gaulle. Even JFK.

That you don’t know that details your knowledge, or lack thereof, regarding how far Trump and the rest of Putin minions have strayed from where we use to stand in such policy.

Also Reagan.

Or any other non-traitor, regardless of whether they are GOP or dem.

 

[anatta]

The subject was dictated by the OP. Not some buried post by you on page 3 of a 250+ post thread.

argumentative. we're done

 

[marduc]

that assumes Russia had no qualms with the Maidan,. NATO expansion ( as promised to Ukr and pushed by the west/Kyiv) and a host of other factors you are ignoring.. In fact Ukr was able to stop the initial invasion cold in it's tracks west of the Dnieper and the forces deployed to capture Kyiv.

Yu can thank Trump largely for that. He gave Ukr JAVELIN ( wireless tow) that melted Russian armor

That changes the facts how??

4years into a 3 day invasion now.. well played!

 

[anatta]

You mean the Donbas that Putin annexed?

That's some autonomy.

did you even bother to follow the conversation? no. autonomy was never given.

 

[Hamish Howl]

did you even bother to follow the conversation? no. autonomy was never given.

Of course not. Minsk II was just more Putin bullshit.

 

[Pyrite]

As stated.
If he knew about it and did not prevent his people form(sp) murdering the ethnic Russians, than yes, Zelensky is also responsible.

That has not a thing to with "authorize, encourage, or advocate". So irrelevant.

Post #193


All you have to do is provide details and specifics - by copying and pasting excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links - that confirm Ukrainians killed other Ukrainians as a form of ethnic genocide prior to Russia's invasion, occupation, destruction, and brutalization of Ukraine. You'll also have to substantiate the claim that Zelensky's government had control of the areas in which these things happened. That Zelensky himself authorized, encouraged, advocated for, or knew it was going on but did not intervene to save Ukrainians from "ethnic genocide".

While you're at it, let us know what you think of putin's war crime re kidnapping tens of thousands of Ukrainian children. Some consider this to be a form of genocide.

 

[marduc]

argumentative. we're done

Argument is literally an integral part of the definition of debate.. but yes do go ahead and concede the argument and tell me that you are done.

 

[Fledermaus]

that assumes Russia had no qualms with the Maidan,.

Ukrainian INTERNAL issues are not Russia's concern.

NATO expansion ( as promised to Ukr and pushed by the west/Kyiv) and a host of other factors you are ignoring..

Any nation has the right to consider joining NATO or other organizations.

In fact Ukr was able to stop the initial invasion cold in it's tracks west of the Dnieper and the forces deployed to capture Kyiv.

Yep.

You can thank Trump largely for that. He gave Ukr JAVELIN ( wireless tow) that melted Russian armor

We can thank Ukrainians as they used JAVELIN and other weapons to stop the drive.

 

[Fledermaus]

did you even bother to follow the conversation? no. autonomy was never given.

Nor are they autonomous now.

 

[Juin]

You might tell the British they were a dictatorship in WW2, because their parliament suspended elections with the agreement of the three partys.

The first act of any dictator is to suspend elections. If there are no elections from where arises the claim of the choice of the people?

 

[Juin]

Pretty stupid move on Putin's part then, eh? Havent 2 more countries joined since he invaded Ukraine?

In politics you win some, you lose some.

 

[Lursa]

In politics you win some, you lose some.

So, your capitulation is fine with me.

 

[Juin]

The US is helping Ukraine protect europe from invasion by Putin's orcs and it is in our own national interest to stop Putin in Ukraine.

Kamala Harris made that case, but the voters found it unconvincing

We don't want to be forced to send our own troops to fight in europe like happened in WWII. But I suppose you don't think we should have got involved in that war either. Hitler did a lot of good things according to your dear leader.

Europe is big and rich; they can fight Russia easily

 

[Juin]

So, your capitulation is fine with me.

You always toot your horns

 

[Juin]

Yes Sweden and Finland have join NATO since Putin's invasion. Apparently that is not a threat though. It is only Ukraine that cannot join NATO and NATO can "expand" all it wants as long as Ukraine is excluded. I wonder why that is?

Isnt what Russians consider a threat up to Russians?

 

[Juin]

Ukraine is Putin's gateway to the rest of eastern europe. Look at a map why don't you?

Its also the gateway of Nato into Russia; going by same map

 

[Juin]

LOL Yes those Donbass traitors wanted to fly the Hammer and Sickle flag and adopt Stalin's Constitution again. He is such a hero in Ukraine. Ukrainians have been fighting for their independence from Russia for 100 years and they will be fighting this war for another 100 years before they surrender.

Zelensky sounds very deflated.

 

[Lursa]

You always toot your horns

I dont have horns and I dont think much of winning and losing on the Internetz...that's sad.

So...your "na huh" replies deserve respect, is that what you're implying?