gordontravels
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You really are something! Bush is responsible, huh? Tell that to Tony Blair! Blair is the one who pushed Bush into this arrangement, and it took time. Since you never, ever provide FACTS to back up your craziness let's look at the facts so we're clear as to the TRUTH.gordontravels said:I think it is important to note the politics that went into this agreement that was not wanted in the beginning by those such as France, Germany and Russia. It was the Bush Administration that has fought for and pressed the other 7 nations to find an agreement that would benefit the emerging countries at the expense of themselves.
I for one think the Bush Administration who is lumped in with "rich Republicans" should get the thanks of those who not only created this situation for the poorest countries but also for lifting the yoke of debt from their shoulders. France and Germany along with Russia had to be worked very hard to get an agreement and credit should go to President Bush and his team of negotiators.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4606197.stmLast Updated: Friday, 3 June, 2005, 22:47 GMT 23:47 UK
The UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has put forward a bold plan to tackle poverty in Africa ahead of the G8 Summit of rich countries in Scotland next month.
He called for a doubling of European aid by 2010 and 100% debt relief, as well as an end to many trade subsidies.
But the plan is facing opposition in the US - and particularly from President George W Bush.
Mr Bush's stance sets up a possible clash with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, due in Washington next week.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that a key part of the plan did not fit with the US budget process.
The UK is pushing hard for major debt relief and a doubling of aid to Africa, and Chancellor Gordon Brown laid out a set of ambitious plans on Friday....snip....
The UK is one of six European nations who have pledged to increase their aid target to 0.7% of GDP by that year, a figure which only five countries have managed to reach so far.
However the US has said that the target is not a realistic one for it to work towards.
US Treasury spokesman Tony Fratto told BBC's Newsnight programme: "The problem at looking at targets of 0.7% of GDP is that when people focus on numbers like that they don't know what they are talking about in nominal terms.
"They don't know how much money is available and how much money is in the pipeline."
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that the IFF for Africa "doesn't fit our budgetary process".
The US has already pledged to increase development aid through its own Millennium Challenge Account, but little of the money has been spent so far.
Analysts say the war in Iraq and its related costs have pushed Africa off the US agenda, and think a change in priorities is unlikely.
According to Reuters, UK government sources have been talking about pressing ahead even without US involvement.
Mr Brown played down reports of a rift or stand-off between the UK and the US.
"In my talks over the last few months, but particularly over the last day or two, with the US Treasury Secretary, we believe that there is common ground on securing that debt relief," he explained.
"We believe it is going to be possible to reach an agreement on debt relief."
Source: http://www.jubileeusa.org/jubilee.cgi?path=/press_room&page=reuters020205.htmlSnow told an October meeting of the IMF and World Bank that the United States was "prepared to go to debt forgiveness of up to 100 percent" but Washington has been lukewarm about Britain's debt proposal to date.
26 X World Champs,
Will the bullshit ever, ever end? The cool thing is that the American public has caught on, and Bush's popularity is at an all-time low. Americans are fed up with the war, the lies, the SS BS, high gas prices etc. Look at ANY poll about Bush since the beginning of this year and every one of them has his numbers down.
Democrats, hang in there, our day is coming again, and we will persevere. It's still going to take some years, but we've hit bottom and the elevator is on the way up again, HOORAY! 2008 is getting closer, and if not before then, by 2008 the nation will again have a Democratic President, a woman at that, and a black VEEP! This single occurrence will be one of the great chapters in American history, forever altering politics in America.
Denial, denial, denial. That's cool. Dig your head into the Iraqi sand while the rest of America moves away from Bush and his cronies. You can make up all the stuff you want but the TRUTH is that Bush's popularity is at an all time low. America has it's thumbs down on almost all of the major Bush agenda items, and your denying it only helps our cause.stsburns said:Which public. I hope your talking about your peers? Besides you are the one fed up with: war, lies, the SS, High gas prices. I'm sure all of the "Americans" on this forum are glad you volunteered them to support your left wing agenda! Also you forgot to add, that your media groups "Which lied", have brought numbers down, not you! But either way im sure your PROUD!
Can you please translate this incoherent statement into English? You need to get out of Springfield more often Mr. Burns, or at least away from the nuclear reactors.... :mrgreen:stsburns said:I would have voted for the Rev. Al Sharpton, but your party chose Kerry instead! Because your party does not want a Black President, but a Vice. Which is confusing to me, because Democrats get most African American votes?
He's correct in saying that his numbers are really, really, far down in comparison to other times. And when you said "your media groups which lied," I really don't understand that comment. Are you meaning to say that it is the liberal media lying about the numbers? Because I think that Fox was reporting them too.stsburns said:Which public. I hope your talking about your peers? Besides you are the one fed up with: war, lies, the SS, High gas prices. I'm sure all of the "Americans" on this forum are glad you volunteered them to support your left wing agenda! Also you forgot to add, that your media groups "Which lied", have brought numbers down, not you! But either way im sure your PROUD!
You know that the South (and I beg pardon for this) is still a bit racist. I don't ever believe that they could vote for in a majority for an African-American no matter how much they have changed. It will take much more time for that, and until then, we can't have an African-American Pres candidate because the votes from the south are very important.I would have voted for the Rev. Al Sharpton, but your party chose Kerry instead! Because your party does not want a Black President, but a Vice. Which is confusing to me, because Democrats get most African American votes? Oh yea, may the best campaign will the 2008 election!
You go right on believing that Bush was responsible not Blair.... :lol:gordontravels said:I'm told I'm really something because I post what I did. I stand by my post and wear the badge of honor that 26 X World Champs thinks I'm wrong. :duel
26 X World Champs said:You go right on believing that Bush was responsible not Blair.... :lol:
akyron said:Source
Bush had signaled his willingness to go along with writing off the debts in principle, but the United States and Britain had very different approaches to how such a plan would work, the newspaper said.
Why did you leave the above out of your post? It is untrue to say that Bush was the driving force. It was BLAIR.UK Prime Minister Tony Blair -- current G8 president -- has demanded that poor countries' debts be cancelled and their aid doubled.
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4606197.stmUK pushing for Africa debt plan
The UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has put forward a bold plan to tackle poverty in Africa ahead of the G8 Summit of rich countries in Scotland next month.
He called for a doubling of European aid by 2010 and 100% debt relief, as well as an end to many trade subsidies.
But the plan is facing opposition in the US - and particularly from President George W Bush.
Mr Bush's stance sets up a possible clash with UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, due in Washington next week.
Mr Bush said on Wednesday that a key part of the plan did not fit with the US budget process.
The UK is pushing hard for major debt relief and a doubling of aid to Africa, and Chancellor Gordon Brown laid out a set of ambitious plans on Friday.
I agree that the end result is excellent, and everyone involved deserves plaudits. However, the facts are that it was Blair, not Bush who took the lead on this. Bush was the late entry and he was the one who had to be convinced. Blair started it, negotiated it, and finished it....and that is the truth....akyron said:He was responsible for having them clearing the debt 100% as opposed to moving it around. That's about it. Good work all around.
26 X World Champs said:Why did you leave the above out of your post? It is untrue to say that Bush was the driving force. It was BLAIR.
Please explain this then? It's from March 2005:
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4606197.stm
I agree that the end result is excellent, and everyone involved deserves plaudits. However, the facts are that it was Blair, not Bush who took the lead on this. Bush was the late entry and he was the one who had to be convinced. Blair started it, negotiated it, and finished it....and that is the truth....
You make it up as you go, you've never provided one shred of evidence that proves anything you say, and you seriously believe that anyone will accept your propaganda at face value?
Can you please translate this incoherent statement into English? You need to get out of Springfield more often Mr. Burns, or at least away from the nuclear reactors....
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