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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.


Read more: Obamacare's broken website cost more than LinkedIn, Spotify combined | Digital Trends
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.


Read more: Obamacare's broken website cost more than LinkedIn, Spotify combined | Digital Trends

So they can hack our emails, watch what we are doing almost 24/7 but not set up a website?
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.


Read more: Obamacare's broken website cost more than LinkedIn, Spotify combined | Digital Trends

Wait a minute. Complexity costs money. The more a site has to do, the more time and money it costs to make. And Linkdn is hardly a complicated site....and it is not well made on top of that.

Also Spotify started out in Sweden long ago. The cost of the website building was done there and then it spread across the planet. So to even compare it, you would need to start the website in a single state and work out all the bugs and then expand it over the US.

I know it is the GOP talking points going around but sadly it only shows how out of touch they are with modern technology and how it is made and works.

Fact is, I doubt there has been any website like this launched anywhere in the world on this scale. I cant think of any.. even Amazon and Apple and Google slowly roll out changes depending on the region of the world and individual countries.

Now what you can be critical about is that there was not enough beta testing done, especially when it comes to load. But how the hell do you do that with a healthcare website.. at least with games you have willing beta testers wanting to do it... and even then roll outs fail badly almost every time.
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

You obviously have ZERO IT experience. Never rolled-out a major program nor attempted to handle roughly 833 new contacts a minute through a server. THIS website has had server troubles and no howls of incompetence here... :roll:

There will be a long line of other companies who will claim their code would have avoided this problem. That they KNEW the traffic load and could have tested their programs at the level that actually were hit. BS.

I have seen many big name IT companies fail at what they promised, go WAAAY over budget and then walk away declaring the problem is with the employer company.

IF you had ANY experience with corporate level major program renovation, migration or development you'd know this is nothing new. Problem is people expect programming to be like on TV where some IT 'genius' can keep four computer screens rolling and produce information as fast as they can talk. :doh

Could have been done better, could have been much worse. But it damn sure brings out the ignorant who have ZERO clue and can only quote those who have their own axe to grind over ACA or not getting in on the contract.
 

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Wait a minute. Complexity costs money. The more a site has to do, the more time and money it costs to make. And Linkdn is hardly a complicated site....and it is not well made on top of that.

Also Spotify started out in Sweden long ago. The cost of the website building was done there and then it spread across the planet. So to even compare it, you would need to start the website in a single state and work out all the bugs and then expand it over the US.

I know it is the GOP talking points going around but sadly it only shows how out of touch they are with modern technology and how it is made and works.

Fact is, I doubt there has been any website like this launched anywhere in the world on this scale. I cant think of any.. even Amazon and Apple and Google slowly roll out changes depending on the region of the world and individual countries.

Now what you can be critical about is that there was not enough beta testing done, especially when it comes to load. But how the hell do you do that with a healthcare website.. at least with games you have willing beta testers wanting to do it... and even then roll outs fail badly almost every time.

There is nothing, NOTHING, an Obama apologist won't scurry to defend as it relates to this disaster of a President.
 

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There is nothing, NOTHING, an Obama apologist won't scurry to defend as it relates to this disaster of a President.

Has nothing what so ever to do with apologizing for Obama but being in the real world. You on the other hand seems to be willing to attack him for everything and anything.

Show me a massive roll out on a similar scale with a similar complexity involved that has gone off without a hitch?
 

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Wait a minute. Complexity costs money. The more a site has to do, the more time and money it costs to make. And Linkdn is hardly a complicated site....and it is not well made on top of that.

Also Spotify started out in Sweden long ago. The cost of the website building was done there and then it spread across the planet. So to even compare it, you would need to start the website in a single state and work out all the bugs and then expand it over the US.

I know it is the GOP talking points going around but sadly it only shows how out of touch they are with modern technology and how it is made and works.

Fact is, I doubt there has been any website like this launched anywhere in the world on this scale. I cant think of any.. even Amazon and Apple and Google slowly roll out changes depending on the region of the world and individual countries.

Now what you can be critical about is that there was not enough beta testing done, especially when it comes to load. But how the hell do you do that with a healthcare website.. at least with games you have willing beta testers wanting to do it... and even then roll outs fail badly almost every time.

They had years to put this site together and it does not work. There are many complex sites out there in private industry and they work.
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

You obviously have ZERO IT experience. Never rolled-out a major program nor attempted to handle roughly 833 new contacts a minute through a server. THIS website has had server troubles and no howls of incompetence here... :roll:

There will be a long line of other companies who will claim their code would have avoided this problem. That they KNEW the traffic load and could have tested their programs at the level that actually were hit. BS.

I have seen many big name IT companies fail at what they promised, go WAAAY over budget and then walk away declaring the problem is with the employer company.

IF you had ANY experience with corporate level major program renovation, migration or development you'd know this is nothing new. Problem is people expect programming to be like on TV where some IT 'genius' can keep four computer screens rolling and produce information as fast as they can talk. :doh

Could have been done better, could have been much worse. But it damn sure brings out the ignorant who have ZERO clue and can only quote those who have their own axe to grind over ACA or not getting in on the contract.

So with your vast experience you think the website is working just like it should, given the traffic it has?

Does Google shut down every day?

The Price, as with every government expenditure, is way over the top and they didn't get anything for the money.

How many servers do you think they have running the ACA website?

Any way you look at it, the designers of the code should have known how many hits the site could get and code it accordingly.

The fact that this happens all the time is no excuse for shoddy workmanship, but it was expected.
 

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Has nothing what so ever to do with apologizing for Obama but being in the real world. You on the other hand seems to be willing to attack him for everything and anything.

Show me a massive roll out on a similar scale with a similar complexity involved that has gone off without a hitch?

Without a hitch? LMAO As the link in the op said, this is a multi million dollar rock.
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

You obviously have ZERO IT experience. Never rolled-out a major program nor attempted to handle roughly 833 new contacts a minute through a server. THIS website has had server troubles and no howls of incompetence here... :roll:

There will be a long line of other companies who will claim their code would have avoided this problem. That they KNEW the traffic load and could have tested their programs at the level that actually were hit. BS.

I have seen many big name IT companies fail at what they promised, go WAAAY over budget and then walk away declaring the problem is with the employer company.

IF you had ANY experience with corporate level major program renovation, migration or development you'd know this is nothing new. Problem is people expect programming to be like on TV where some IT 'genius' can keep four computer screens rolling and produce information as fast as they can talk. :doh

Could have been done better, could have been much worse. But it damn sure brings out the ignorant who have ZERO clue and can only quote those who have their own axe to grind over ACA or not getting in on the contract.

When Facebook has a problem with a new program or rollout, the IRS doesn't threaten to "fine" you for not being able to access it. Not only has the government given businesses a year's grace/waiver to start offering their employees healthcare insurance or pay a fine, greatly increasing the number of individuals who will find themselves without insurance, but they have not given citizens the same waiver, the same ability to work through the kinks and get organized, as they are giving business.

Stop being an apologist for incompetence. Your federal government robs you and spends upwards of $3 trillion a year - grow some balls and demand that they be even slightly capable of opening a paper bag. The law was passed and signed by the President in March 2010 - THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO!! What the **** have they been doing in that time to get this website up and operational? DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY OR YOU GET NONE.
 

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They had years to put this site together and it does not work. There are many complex sites out there in private industry and they work.

Oh, which? Which sites connect to multiple different types of databases? Which sites are on the same scale as this.. in all 50 states?

Lets see.. Google maybe? Well no, because that only connects to databases it made it self. Apple maybe? Nope same. Microsoft? Again, small amount of databases and complexity.

Oh and if you have not noticed there are often "this link has moved" or other error messages on all the above.

So which private sites are as complex and big as this one? Name one.
 

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Has nothing what so ever to do with apologizing for Obama but being in the real world. You on the other hand seems to be willing to attack him for everything and anything.

Show me a massive roll out on a similar scale with a similar complexity involved that has gone off without a hitch?

The ACA was passed and signed by the President in March 2010 - THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. How much time do these idiots need to develop a website that people can access? In the "real world", these bums wouldn't have jobs let alone ones so important.

But go ahead, keep apologizing for incompetence - you only get the level of government you demand.
 

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Wait a minute. Complexity costs money. The more a site has to do, the more time and money it costs to make. And Linkdn is hardly a complicated site....and it is not well made on top of that.

Also Spotify started out in Sweden long ago. The cost of the website building was done there and then it spread across the planet. So to even compare it, you would need to start the website in a single state and work out all the bugs and then expand it over the US.

I know it is the GOP talking points going around but sadly it only shows how out of touch they are with modern technology and how it is made and works.

Fact is, I doubt there has been any website like this launched anywhere in the world on this scale. I cant think of any.. even Amazon and Apple and Google slowly roll out changes depending on the region of the world and individual countries.

Now what you can be critical about is that there was not enough beta testing done, especially when it comes to load. But how the hell do you do that with a healthcare website.. at least with games you have willing beta testers wanting to do it... and even then roll outs fail badly almost every time.

I've play lots of online games and I haven't seen any that have failed as badly as this Exchange stuff. The worst I've seen is games that have more people trying to log into the game than the servers can handle and, even then, they don't just leave you hanging...they tell you what's happening, put you in a queue. When you can finally log in, the game works...maybe with minor bugs.

Of course, to our detriment, the government is not good at developing things...not like private businesses. Star Wars: The Old Republic spent $200 million and took 6 years to develop. Star Wars: The Old Republic — the story behind a galactic gamble | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times I played that game for a year from the time it was release and it didn't have any of the problems the government has had with its Exchanges.

Perhaps the government should have hired Bioware or EA.
 

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Oh, which? Which sites connect to multiple different types of databases? Which sites are on the same scale as this.. in all 50 states?

Lets see.. Google maybe? Well no, because that only connects to databases it made it self. Apple maybe? Nope same. Microsoft? Again, small amount of databases and complexity.

Oh and if you have not noticed there are often "this link has moved" or other error messages on all the above.

So which private sites are as complex and big as this one? Name one.

Can you name one that had several years and 634 million dollars? Face facts pete, this is incompetence and wasteful spending on a scale never seen before, this is literally a "site to nowhere".
 

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Government does not attract the best and the brightest but now they run health care in America and it is getting off to a great start.:lol: Stay tuned.

"The site itself, which apparently underwent major code renovations over the weekend, still rejects user logins, fails to load drop-down menus and other crucial components for users that successfully gain entrance, and otherwise prevents uninsured Americans in the 36 states it serves from purchasing healthcare at competitive rates – Healthcare.gov’s primary purpose. The site is so busted that, as of a couple days ago, the number of people that successfully purchased healthcare through it was in the “single digits,” according to the Washington Post.
We, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.

The reason for this nationwide headache apparently stems from poorly written code, which buckled under the heavy influx of traffic that its engineers and administrators should have seen coming. But the fact that Healthcare.gov can’t do the one job it was built to do isn’t the most infuriating part of this debacle – it’s that we, the taxpayers, seem to have forked up more than $634 million of the federal purse to build the digital equivalent of a rock.


Read more: Obamacare's broken website cost more than LinkedIn, Spotify combined | Digital Trends

Talk about wreckless use of tax payer money. Talk about irresponsible!
 

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The ACA was passed and signed by the President in March 2010 - THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. How much time do these idiots need to develop a website that people can access? In the "real world", these bums wouldn't have jobs let alone ones so important.

But go ahead, keep apologizing for incompetence - you only get the level of government you demand.

Building the website is easy and takes little time and money.. linking the website to various databases across the country, of which most are totally different from each other... THAT is hard and time consuming. And considering there is no beta testing possible to iron out the bugs, well good luck in having a perfect functioning website on day one.
 

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I've play lots of online games and I haven't seen any that have failed as badly as this Exchange stuff. The worst I've seen is games that have more people trying to log into the game than the servers can handle and, even then, they don't just leave you hanging...they tell you what's happening, put you in a queue. When you can finally log in, the game works...maybe with minor bugs.

Of course, to our detriment, the government is not good at developing things...not like private businesses. Star Wars: The Old Republic spent $200 million and took 6 years to develop. Star Wars: The Old Republic — the story behind a galactic gamble | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times I played that game for a year from the time it was release and it didn't have any of the problems the government has had with its Exchanges.

Perhaps the government should have hired Bioware or EA.

The best and brightest go to private industry, gov gets the kids and the culls not to mention political payoff employment programs.
 

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So with your vast experience you think the website is working just like it should, given the traffic it has? Does Google shut down every day? The Price, as with every government expenditure, is way over the top and they didn't get anything for the money. How many servers do you think they have running the ACA website? Any way you look at it, the designers of the code should have known how many hits the site could get and code it accordingly. The fact that this happens all the time is no excuse for shoddy workmanship, but it was expected.

Did Google start out with 833 new hits a minute when it first rolled out??? Hail no! :roll:

I'll give the ill-informed an idea of the cost of such things.

Right after the Millennium scare where anyone who could spell 'IT' got a job fixing millions of lines of code for the 2000 date, Agilent split from HP. Most of ya don't know Agilent, their biggest seller was that self contained Defib machine you see on airlines. So they decide to do away with the HP machine and software (why is a very good question) They wanted to combine all existing systems into one 'enterprise' system for their many over seas companies. (sounds like many IT commercials doesn't it)

They spent 3 years at 4 MILLION a month until the project was canned. In one day they fired 240 developers at project termination. 6 BAs were kept. And that was just the contractors, not permanent employees assigned to the project.

That was the private sector. That was literally a warehouse full of techno-wienies having at it.

This isn't a case of 'shoddy workmanship that happens all the time'- it is like having to hand file each gear and clog of a watch and many parts are made by someone else someplace else and then handed to you to 'make fit'.
 

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I've play lots of online games and I haven't seen any that have failed as badly as this Exchange stuff. The worst I've seen is games that have more people trying to log into the game than the servers can handle and, even then, they don't just leave you hanging...they tell you what's happening, put you in a queue. When you can finally log in, the game works...maybe with minor bugs.

Of course, to our detriment, the government is not good at developing things...not like private businesses. Star Wars: The Old Republic spent $200 million and took 6 years to develop. Star Wars: The Old Republic — the story behind a galactic gamble | Hero Complex – movies, comics, pop culture – Los Angeles Times I played that game for a year from the time it was release and it didn't have any of the problems the government has had with its Exchanges.

Perhaps the government should have hired Bioware or EA.

Have YOU coded any programs? Did the games you played get hit with 833 new players a minute? You are clueless...
 

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Building the website is easy and takes little time and money.. linking the website to various databases across the country, of which most are totally different from each other... THAT is hard and time consuming. And considering there is no beta testing possible to iron out the bugs, well good luck in having a perfect functioning website on day one.

So, according to you, the government's website was an impossibility. This is perhaps why the Obama administration was telling everyone that things were fine leading up to October 1st and it was going to be a great success. Here's a tip - your "beta testing" could be done this whole year while citizens are granted the same one year grace/waiver period as businesses were given. Better yet, if you want to keep on track with the government time lines - TEST THE DAMN THING OVER THE PAST 3 PLUS YEARS YOU'VE HAD TO DESIGN IT.

When did America become filled with spineless, liberal wimps who apologize non-stop for failure?
 

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Can you name one that had several years and 634 million dollars? Face facts pete, this is incompetence and wasteful spending on a scale never seen before, this is literally a "site to nowhere".

It is all relative. There is no website out there where one of its demands is to have 100s of millions of users on day one, and link to multiple different databases across a country that was made by different programmers and companies and require all this to be secure and safe.

As I said, complexity costs money and time. Is 3 years a lot of time? Frankly no, not considering the complexity involved.

Companies like Amazon, Google, Apple and so on made their websites over time, with plenty of user input and mistakes and linked their own databases.. databases they created with software and programming they often created or at least know how it was made... and all this cost many many many millions of over years.

Look at it this way.

Apple had over a year to redo their mobile operating system. They released it a few weeks ago and it was full of bugs. They had the ability to beta test it among many willing users and it still has massive amount of bugs that make devices unusable in many cases. And that was a program that Apple had full control over... the makers of this website did not have full control of how it works... they had to adapt systems to each other.

Listen I am not going to defend the programmers of the site on the result they produced because I personally believe most software designers are idiots who cant make user friendly sites and programs if their lives depended on it, but I am saying that you have to take into consideration what they had to contend with.

What most people are doing is seeing the 650 million dollar number and 3 year time line and from that say "omfgs you got to be kidding what a failure" without considering the work required to get such a site up and running.

And was it not a private contractor that did this website?
 

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Re: your tax dollas at work

So, according to you, the government's website was an impossibility.

No that is not what I said. It is not some two bit sales website we are talking about. Making a site like Amazon is pretty easy.. just takes time, provided you are the one in control of all aspects including the databases involved. Once you dont control everything, that is when it gets tricky.
 

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Building the website is easy and takes little time and money.. linking the website to various databases across the country, of which most are totally different from each other... THAT is hard and time consuming. And considering there is no beta testing possible to iron out the bugs, well good luck in having a perfect functioning website on day one.

That should be your first sign that ACA is a BAD idea.
 
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