You won't see these pictures in the left wing media.

[Pull My Finger]

... but I suppose we should be used to that, eh?

I thought that was a Canadian thing...

Welcome Aboard...

Peace

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What evidence do you have that they weren't?

Wow how I do love the logic of the conspiracist, now I am the one who must prove the negative of an imaginated thought, ever heard of the burden of proof? You made the accusation that is in contradiction to the video, you are the one who has to prove your assertion, I am not obligated to prove a negative, prima facia mother ****er.

 

[Stinger]

What evidence do you have that they weren't?

Can you cite any statements from the organizers or main sponsors condemning the actions that took place at the rally?

 

[Chanda]

Wow how I do love the logic of the conspiracist

It is illogical to make assumptions about the identities of the of protesters, which is what you are doing. It isn't illogical to consider the possibility they could be Republicans since Republicans have staged events to discredit Democrats in the past.

now I am the one who must prove the negative of an imaginated thought

Since you reject the possibility the protesters could be Republicans, then who do you think they are? Can you prove it?

ever heard of the burden of proof? You made the accusation

I made no accusation. I said we don't know who the protesters were, but you apparently think you do, so where is your proof?

that is in contradiction to the video

There is nothing in the video that identifies the protesters. We don't know who they were.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

It is illogical to make assumptions about the identities of the of protesters, which is what you are doing. It isn't illogical to consider the possibility they could be Republicans since Republicans have staged events to discredit Democrats in the past.

Prove it.

Since you reject the possibility the protesters could be Republicans, then who do you think they are? Can you prove it?

They were anti-war protestors and you have absolutely 0 evidence to the contrary that they were anyone other than who they themselves claimed to be.

I made no accusation. I said we don't know who the protesters were, but you apparently think you do, so where is your proof?

Actually we do know who they are they were anti-war protestors as is made abundantly clear by their actions and their signs, again you have absolutely 0 evidence to the contrary.

There is nothing in the video that identifies the protesters. We don't know who they were.

They were members of the anti-war movement, you have 0 evidence that they were anyone besides who they claimed to be.

 

[Stace]

Moderator's Warning:

How 'bout we try to keep it civil in here?

 

[Chanda]

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Prove it.

These are Republican staffers who were flown to Florida in 2000 to pose as Florida citizens protesting a recount.
GOP brownshirts

Actually we do know who they are they were anti-war protestors as is made abundantly clear by their actions and their signs, again you have absolutely 0 evidence to the contrary.

We know they are either anarchists (who are actually more right-wing than left), OR they are people disguised as anarchists to discredit the peace movement. Their identities were never determined, so we can't know for sure which they were. We do know, however, that right-wing blogs have gotten a lot of mileage out of these photos in their efforts to discredit the peace movement.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

These are Republican staffers who were flown to Florida in 2000 to pose as Florida citizens protesting a recount.
GOP brownshirts

Not seeing where it states they claimed to be Florida citizens, are these people in the picture not allowed to protest in your America? The title "GOP brownshirts," says it all about your source though.

We know they are either anarchists (who are actually more right-wing than left), OR they are people disguised as anarchists to discredit the peace movement.

We have evidence of the former because that is who they said they were, you have no evidence of the latter.

Their identities were never determined, so we can't know for sure which they were. We do know, however, that right-wing blogs have gotten a lot of mileage out of these photos in their efforts to discredit the peace movement.

You have no evidence that these people were not exactly who they claimed to be, none, zero, zip, case closed thanks for playing.

 

[Chanda]

Not seeing where it states they claimed to be Florida citizens, are these people in the picture not allowed to protest in your America? The title "GOP brownshirts," says it all about your source though.

No, Republicans do not have the right to pay people to violently intimidate a canvassing board in order to close down a recount. That isn't the way democracy works. What does it say about Republicans that they would resort to brownshirt tactics?

You have no evidence that these people were not exactly who they claimed to be, none, zero, zip, case closed thanks for playing.

Are you saying there is no possibility those people were only posing as anarchists? Then you would obviously be wrong. Case closed.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No, Republicans do not have the right to pay people to violently intimidate a canvassing board in order to close down a recount. That isn't the way democracy works. What does it say about Republicans that they would resort to brownshirt tactics?

I didn't see anything violent being done in that picture, do you have any evidence that anything violent went on at that protest? Perhaps an arrest sheet? Actually it seems to me that you want to implement brownshirt tactics by denying Republicans their 1st amendment right to freedom of assembly.

Are you saying there is no possibility those people were only posing as anarchists? Then you would obviously be wrong. Case closed.

I am saying that you have absolutely 0 evidence to support your bullshit assertion. Anything's possible, it's possible that those people were working for the Democratic governor who attended the protest but I will not make that assertion because I have no evidence that that is the case. You say case closed when in actuality you have no case and never did.

 

[Stinger]

These are Republican staffers who were flown to Florida in 2000 to pose as Florida citizens protesting a recount.
GOP brownshirts


We know they are either anarchists (who are actually more right-wing than left), OR they are people disguised as anarchists to discredit the peace movement. Their identities were never determined, so we can't know for sure which they were. We do know, however, that right-wing blogs have gotten a lot of mileage out of these photos in their efforts to discredit the peace movement.

They were citizens protesting an illegal vote count by the Broward County canvassing board. OF COURSE there were LOTS of Republicans from all over the country, including officials JUST LIKE there were LOTS of Democrats from all over the country down there. When the Democrat led canvassing board ILLEGALLY took the ballots into a private room, where they were going to ILLEGALLY "count" them in private and get their hands on them where no one could see them the Republicans and the Hispanic community got up in arms, not too surprising.

It certainly wasn't anarchy, so what does this have to do with the topic?

 

[Chanda]

They were citizens protesting an illegal vote count by the Broward County canvassing board.

They were not "angry voters" from Florida as they represented themselves to be, and there was no "illegal vote count" by the Broward County canvassing board. In fact, a recount was required by Florida law in cases where the winning margin was small. The Broward County canvassing board included two Democrats and one Republican, and all board members had to agree on each ballot for them to count. There was nothing unusual or illegal about the recounting process, except for the Republican staffers who were trying to thwart the will of the people by shutting down the recount.

 

[Chanda]

...denying Republicans their 1st amendment right to freedom of assembly.

This has nothing to do with "freedom of assembly." Republicans do not have the right to pay people to disrupt a recount with the intent of "shutting it down," and thwarting the will of the people.

I am saying that you have absolutely 0 evidence to support your bullshit assertion.

My "assertion" is that it is possible the protesters could have been poseurs.

Anything's possible

Well not anything, but this certainly is. Thanks for that admission, finally.

I will not make that assertion because I have no evidence that that is the case.

You have been making an assertion for which you have NO PROOF, because identities of the offending protesters were never determined. You don't know who they were.

You say case closed when in actuality you have no case and never did.

It is possible the protesters could have been poseurs. That is the undeniable truth, and it is the only "assertion" I have made.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

This has nothing to do with "freedom of assembly." Republicans do not have the right to pay people to disrupt a recount with the intent of "shutting it down," and thwarting the will of the people.

A) You have no evidence of that.

B) The Republicans have every right to protest wherever and whenever they damn well please.

My "assertion" is that it is possible the protesters could have been poseurs.

It's also possible that little green men come down from outerspace and stick probes up the rectums of rednecks.

Well not anything, but this certainly is. Thanks for that admission, finally.

Just about anythings possible.

You have been making an assertion for which you have NO PROOF, because identities of the offending protesters were never determined. You don't know who they were.

The signs prove that they were anti-war protestors, you then asserted that they were Republican posers, you then said that you wanted me to prove a negative, it is you who made the accusation without any evidence to back it up, the burden of proof is on you not me.

It is possible the protesters could have been poseurs. That is the undeniable truth, and it is the only "assertion" I have made.

Like I said anythings possible but your assertion is baseless.

 

[Chanda]

you then asserted that they were Republican posers

OK, show me where I made that assertion. :waiting:

 

[Stinger]

They were not "angry voters" from Florida as they represented themselves to be,

There were some, there were some reporters, there were some Repbulican officials who were there in their statutory duty to monitor the counting, when all of a sudden the Dems tried to move it to the back room where no one could watch them.

and there was no "illegal vote count" by the Broward County canvassing board.

When they took it out of the public eye it became one.

In fact, a recount was required by Florida law in cases where the winning margin was small.

That one was done, Bush won. The counts after that had to be bases on a proved tabulation error which Gore tried to do in court and he lost.

The Broward County canvassing board included two Democrats and one Republican, and all board members had to agree on each ballot for them to count. There was nothing unusual or illegal about the recounting process, except for the Republican staffers who were trying to thwart the will of the people by shutting down the recount.

And reporters and other citizens, when they tired to get the ballots out of the public eye and into a backroom.

 

[Thorgasm]

It was no secret that conservatives were flown from D.C. to Florida for that protest. I know you conservatives put loyalty as one of your highest virtues, but really, loyalty to a bad story just makes you look foolish.

It is nice how you derailed this thread into a Broward County vote recount debate. When you lose this one, try gay marriage or flag burning for a distraction issue.:2razz: