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You won't see these pictures in the left wing media.

Chanda said:
So now you presume to know how much she loved her son? No, it doesn't depend on that at all. It depends on the personal circumstances of each individual family, which you know nothing about, and are none of your business.



More baseless ASSumptions?



Wrong AGAIN, the family waited two years, not three, and is certainly not the first family that has delayed placing a headstone for personal reasons.



Right, a liberal probably wouldn't support sending young men and women to fight in PNAC's unnecessary and immoral war, then trivial their deaths by saying, "oh well, they volunteered," and "the death count is really not that high compared to real wars." And then to top it off, sit in judgment of how a bereaved family handled its burial arrangements. :doh
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How you can defend someone Cindy Sheehan is unbelieveable......
 
Navy Pride said:
How you can defend someone Cindy Sheehan is unbelieveable......
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How you can lie repeatedly about her is unbelievable. How you can insert yourself into her family's personal and private burial arrangement decisions is unbelievable--truly unbelievable. Even for you.
 
Navy Pride said:
I guess it depends how how much you love the person that has been killed..I am probably a little older then you and have attended many funerals and have never heard of someone waiting 3 years to put a headstone on a grave.....Maybe its the difference between a liberal and a conservative......

You lefties can defend that nutcase all you want........
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By far the most tasteless thing I have seen on this site...

Difference between a real conservative, and a desperate extremist?

Piece
 
americanwoman said:
Fair enough, but then why aren't they concerned about other countries with the same-or even worse- dictatorships.
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So if we can't bring freedom and liberty at the same time to everyone who is oppressed then we shouldn't bring it to anyone?
 
First post, woohoo...

Stinger said:
So if we can't bring freedom and liberty at the same time to everyone who is oppressed then we shouldn't bring it to anyone?
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Last time I checked, nowhere in any important document outside of the PNAC's stuff (to the extent you can call them "important") is it in our job descriptions to topple nonthreatening governments in order to free their people. I mean, I thought conservatives were all about self-determination. Apparently that's true, but only so long as it's an excuse to drop taxes to dangerously low levels at home. Self-determination isn't an option for other countries because they do what we want them to do...or else. Right?

As for Chief Petty Officer Navy Pride--my late grandfather, a WW2 veteran with numerous medals, who was in the first wave at Normandy, would be sick to his stomach over what you're saying. My father, an early Vietnam-era Navy radioman, is sick to his stomach over what you're saying. You must have done something right, though, to end up CPO by just being a storekeeper...
 
jemiller226 said:
First post, woohoo...



Last time I checked, nowhere in any important document outside of the PNAC's stuff (to the extent you can call them "important") is it in our job descriptions to topple nonthreatening governments in order to free their people. I mean, I thought conservatives were all about self-determination. Apparently that's true, but only so long as it's an excuse to drop taxes to dangerously low levels at home. Self-determination isn't an option for other countries because they do what we want them to do...or else. Right?
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You consider people living under dictatorship to be enjoying self determination? What a crock, only Democracies can have self determination.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
You consider people living under dictatorship to be enjoying self determination? What a crock, only Democracies can have self determination.
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Because that's exactly what I said, right? Now, I know that reading for comprehension is something schools are having trouble teaching these days, but you're probably old enough to know better, so I'm going to have to assume that was a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said, not that I'm surprised by that.

Honestly, you people crack me up. On one hand, you want poor people here to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and figure out how to make more money instead of taking yours, yet on the other hand you're perfectly content paying taxes (nominally) to help the Iraqis--people many of you would deride simply for being Muslims--do something they couldn't or wouldn't do themselves. In reality, you're paying taxes that tend to disappear into defense contractors' pockets, but that doesn't seem to bother you, either.

Why don't you let them do what they need to do for themselves and spend the money at home where it should be?
 
jemiller226 said:
I thought we had already agreed that there were some protesters with high Jerkitude Quotients. What's your point?
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Please do follow along:

Originally Posted by Thelost1
azcentral.com | slideshow player | Phoenix anti-war protest - March 19, 2007

This effigy in this picture is suposed to be a dead soldier in a body bag. Y'know, like a "We don't need more of this." kind of thing?

It would be nice if Malkin could at least try to think about what she puts on her site.
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jemiller226 said:
Because that's exactly what I said, right?
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That's how I took your meaning.

Now, I know that reading for comprehension is something schools are having trouble teaching these days, but you're probably old enough to know better, so I'm going to have to assume that was a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said, not that I'm surprised by that.

Honestly, you people crack me up. On one hand, you want poor people here to pick themselves up by their own bootstraps and figure out how to make more money instead of taking yours, yet on the other hand you're perfectly content paying taxes (nominally) to help the Iraqis
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Ya umm in the U.S. citizens have every opportunity in the world to build a better life and they aren't just now coming out from under the jack boots of a brutal and genocidal tyrant and they are not condending with AQ and Shia death squads either. Nice false analogy though.

--people many of you would deride simply for being Muslims--do something they couldn't or wouldn't do themselves.
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Actually Shia retaliations were very low since the surge it wasn't until AQ in Iraq used those chlorine bombs that there was another mass Sunni killing. The majority of the Iraqi people want peace and prosperity but there is a small % of the population that won't let them have it. It is our responsibility to insure that the Iraqi populace has security and stability so as to have an environment in which it is possible to "lift themselves up by their own boot straps."

In reality, you're paying taxes that tend to disappear into defense contractors' pockets, but that doesn't seem to bother you, either.

Why don't you let them do what they need to do for themselves and spend the money at home where it should be?
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Ya let's surrender to AQ and let them create a Taliban like state in Iraq, good call, we'll be back their in less than a year.
 
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Originally Posted by Stinger
So if we can't bring freedom and liberty at the same time to everyone who is oppressed then we shouldn't bring it to anyone?


jemiller226 said:
First post, woohoo...
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:wcm



Last time I checked, nowhere in any important document outside of the PNAC's stuff (to the extent you can call them "important") is it in our job descriptions to topple nonthreatening governments in order to free their people.
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Simply to free them? No where that I know of and exactly what I am saying. The argument is made that we shouldn't be in Iraq because there are lots of other people who suffer under dictators and tyranny. That of course is absurd and why I asked the question I did. We don't seek to invade other countries just to free people, but we do seek political means to do so. We as a country spend lots of resources and political capital trying to bring self-determination and freedom to the rest of the world.


However when a dictatorial country becomes belligerent, invades it's neighbors, who we have alliances with, whom threat the security of their region, the world economy and yes even us, we do step in and do so with force, and in offer self-determination to those people who seem to always choose the liberty and freedoms we have in this country.

I mean, I thought conservatives were all about self-determination.
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Yes, we are. How about liberals, what are they all about?

Apparently that's true, but only so long as it's an excuse to drop taxes to dangerously low levels at home.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, when have conservatives in some loud voice ever said any such thing?

Self-determination isn't an option for other countries because they do what we want them to do...or else. Right?
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Wrong, they just usually do. Wouldn't you choose liberty and self-determination over a repressive dictator or IslamicJhadis? Would you prefer a country that treats women the way some in the ME do?

As for Chief Petty Officer Navy Pride--my late grandfather, a WW2 veteran with numerous medals, who was in the first wave at Normandy.....
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OK my father flew in B17's over Germany............I don't think they are here to add to the discussion.

But I do have two sons in the military, I can relate to you what they think if you believe that the opinions of those in the military should determine our foreign policy.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Umm they were the signs of the same Portland Protestors burning U.S. flags and U.S. troops in effigy.
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Those protesters were never identified. If they were really anarchists, the sign would represent an attempt to bring attention to themselves and their goal of no government. If they were actually Republican provocateurs disguised as anarchists, their sign would represent their goal of sabotaging the peace rally.
 
Chanda said:
Those protesters were never identified. If they were really anarchists, the sign would represent an attempt to bring attention to themselves and their goal of no government.
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Really well I could have sworn burning troops in effigy, signs reading "fuc/k the troops," and burning the American flag were representations of hatred towards the troops and the United States.

If they were actually Republican provocateurs disguised as anarchists, their sign would represent their goal of sabotaging the peace rally.
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Ya they were Republican sabateurs now. Of course you have some evidence to back that assertion right?
 
Chanda said:
What evidence do you have that they weren't?
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Sorry, but she who makes an assertion has the burden of proof, not the other way around. As much as I disagree with pretty much everything they're saying, you went too far with that one.

Stinger said:
However when a dictatorial country becomes belligerent, invades it's neighbors, who we have alliances with, whom threat the security of their region, the world economy and yes even us, we do step in and do so with force, and in offer self-determination to those people who seem to always choose the liberty and freedoms we have in this country.
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And here I thought we were talking about Iraq. I hate to tell you, but they haven't set foot on another country's soil since half the world tossed them out of Kuwait sixteen years ago.

Care to try a third motive?
 
jemiller226 said:
Sorry, but she who makes an assertion has the burden of proof, not the other way around. As much as I disagree with pretty much everything they're saying, you went too far with that one.
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True, but I never made that assertion. I only said it was possible. OTOH, the assertion has been made that the black clad protesters were left-wingers, or part of the peace movement. That is the assumption being made without any proof because the identities were never determined, and I was actually asking for proof of that.
 
And there you would have a point, of course. I'm just trying to keep our side as logical as possible--they already have the ammo of some jerks burning things in effigy and trying to tar everyone who disagrees with it, which is, of course, illogical, but I suppose we should be used to that, eh?
 
Well, I'm glad to have you here on our side! Welcome to DP :2wave:
 
Chanda said:
What evidence do you have that they weren't?
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Sorry that is saying something exist unless you prove it doesn't. Flawed logic. Your assertion, you prove it.
 
jemiller226 said:
And here I thought we were talking about Iraq. I hate to tell you, but they haven't set foot on another country's soil since half the world tossed them out of Kuwait sixteen years ago.
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We are talking about the Hussien regime which did invade it's neighbors several times, was beaten back and allowed to exist at our pleasure, under certain specific stipulations, which continued to threaten it's neighbors, threaten and fire at our military, and violate those stipulations which it was required to abide by else be removed once and for all.

Why do you think Clinton made it the official policy of the United States to remove him and his government stipulating that he would remain a threat as long as he was in power?
 
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