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YOU SCARE ME - A letter from a Former Procter and Gamble Executive

Conservative said:
Randal, I asked you to give me any Obama accomplishment that has made this country better economically or safer and this is what I get? Obama spending trillions and getting the results he is getting should be a problem for All Americans. If you had a job and spent that kind of money and got the kind of results Obama has generated you would be fired but for some reason you give him a pass. Why?
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Well I would say saving our financial system was quite an accomplishment.
 
Saving our financial system was TARP, signed by Bush.
 
Conservative said:
Saving our financial system was TARP, signed by Bush.
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So, it was the democratic congress at fault when Bush was in office(despite only being in control 2 of 8 years), and then, when the democratic congress passed something, it was Bush who gets credit for signing it...
 
Winston gave Obama credit for saving the financial system and I corrected the record.

By the way, you think Congress created TARP? Gee, all this time I was told it was Paulson. I did not support TARP but apparently it worked to a point yet Obama tried to make it political by blaming part of the 2009 deficit on TARP, a program he voted for

I know how badly you want to give Obama credit for something but you are going to have to try a little harder.
 
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Conservative said:
Winston gave Obama credit for saving the financial system and I corrected the record.

By the way, you think Congress created TARP? Gee, all this time I was told it was Paulson. I did not support TARP but apparently it worked to a point yet Obama tried to make it political by blaming part of the 2009 deficit on TARP, a program he voted for

I know how badly you want to give Obama credit for something but you are going to have to try a little harder.
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So Obama does not get credit for TARP, but Obama was part of the congress that passed TARP, and voted for it....

Come on, at least make me work at this.
 
Redress, LOL, nice try, TARP was proposed by Paulson who was Bush's Sec. of Treasury. It was passed by Congress which Obama was one of 535 Senators and Representatives so yes, Obama gets some credit for TARP but had nothing to do with the actual bill other than voting for it. Really is tough being an Obama supporter, isn't it?
 
Conservative said:
Redress, LOL, nice try, TARP was proposed by Paulson who was Bush's Sec. of Treasury. It was passed by Congress which Obama was one of 535 Senators and Representatives so yes, Obama gets some credit for TARP but had nothing to do with the actual bill other than voting for it. Really is tough being an Obama supporter, isn't it?
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tough being an obama supporter? nope...not really, especially when mccain/palin was the alternative.
 
Conservative said:
Redress, LOL, nice try, TARP was proposed by Paulson who was Bush's Sec. of Treasury. It was passed by Congress which Obama was one of 535 Senators and Representatives so yes, Obama gets some credit for TARP but had nothing to do with the actual bill other than voting for it. Really is tough being an Obama supporter, isn't it?
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So what you are saying is that, despite all your denying it, Obama really was in part responsible for TARP. You cannot do the "it's all congress's fault" when it's bad, and all Bush when it's good. It just does not work that way. In fact, you really don't want to go down that road since it leads to some very bad places for conservatives.
 
The results speak for themselves, 15 million unemployed, 3 trillion added to the debt, massive expansion of govt, declining poll numbers. The American people are waking up, when will you?
 
I corrected Winston but I do find it interesting that you and others continue to blame Bush for the recession. If Obama was part of TARP he was part of the deficit he blamed Bush for, he was part of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae debacle, he was part of creating the recession, and it was Obama who signed the stimulus plan that grew unemployment, grew the size of govt, and grew the debt, Bush had nothing to do with it. It was Obama that promised unemployment would not exceed 8%, it was Obama that promised to create millions of jobs, it was Obama that made up the "saved" jobs term, it was Obama that promised to close GITMO, it was Obama that promised to cut the deficit in half his first term. Why you believe a word Obama says is beyond me. Keep up with the cheerleading and denial.
 
winston53660 said:
aheeemmm he is not at P&G anymore.
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So?.....You're so easy....I mentioned the word "former" twice!..You may now read the title of the thread where I said "former Procter and Gamble executive", then the last sentence...where it says "former Procter and Gamble Vice President"
 
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Conservative said:
The results speak for themselves, 15 million unemployed, 3 trillion added to the debt
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Compare US figures with many others worldwide and you will see the same pattern. It wasn't Obama who caused that, it was the global economy.
 
iangb said:
Compare US figures with many others worldwide and you will see the same pattern. It wasn't Obama who caused that, it was the global economy.
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The United States has a 14.5 trillion dollar economy and the fact is Obama has done nothing to make it stronger and that is the point. We have a free enterprise, capitalistic economy that Obama does not understand thus is making it worse. What others countries do is irrelevant to us as most are built on the socialist model. Obama is doing his best to convert our economy to the European model which history shows to be a failure.
 
allsogreat said:
So?.....You're so easy....I mentioned the word "former" twice!..You may now read the title of the thread where I said "former Procter and Gamble executive", then the last sentence...where it says "former Procter and Gamble Vice President"
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So you went back and edited:shrug:
 
Conservative said:
The United States has a 14.5 trillion dollar economy and the fact is Obama has done nothing to make it stronger and that is the point. We have a free enterprise, capitalistic economy that Obama does not understand thus is making it worse. What others countries do is irrelevant to us as most are built on the socialist model. Obama is doing his best to convert our economy to the European model which history shows to be a failure.
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what other countries do is irrelevant to us?? that statement right there shows me you have no understanding of economics whatsoever.
 
randel said:
what other countries do is irrelevant to us?? that statement right there shows me you have no understanding of economics whatsoever.
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Actually what it shows is you haven't a clue how our economy works and thus buy what you are told by an Administration that also has no clue. A very, very small part of the problems we face are tied to the world economy but instead is tied to the inability of Obama to promote the private sector to increase demand here which increases jobs. We have a large enough economy to isolate us against the world economy yet Obama is doing his best to destroy it. 15 million Americans out of work and millions of others who are out of the labor market could be put back to work with an increase in American consumer demand which would create jobs.

Randel, I see that you indicate that you are from Ohio. I grew up in Ohio and am sad to see the state of Ohio in the economic condition it is in and not getting better. I do back to Ohio and am depressed with the moral and attitude in that state. Obama has done nothing to promote the private sector there and your unemployment rate of 10.7% is a disaster yet you continue to buy the rhetoric of this Administration, why?
 
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allsogreat said:
No...it was there from the beginning....you just didn't read it....if you'll look at post #4 the word "former" was there before your post #8....and anyway...So what?
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I can agree with "so what":peace
 
Winston is back with the one line responses that actually say nothing but attempt to incite. No one really knows where Winston stands on any issue and I am not sure that Winston even knows. Stick your finger in the air to see how the wind is blowing and then get back to us.
 
Conservative said:
Winston is back with the one line responses that actually say nothing but attempt to incite. No one really knows where Winston stands on any issue and I am not sure that Winston even knows. Stick your finger in the air to see how the wind is blowing and then get back to us.
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Hey smoochums gimme a big ole kiss:monkey:stooges:kitty:
 
Conservative said:
Actually what it shows is you haven't a clue how our economy works and thus buy what you are told by an Administration that also has no clue. A very, very small part of the problems we face are tied to the world economy but instead is tied to the inability of Obama to promote the private sector to increase demand here which increases jobs. We have a large enough economy to isolate us against the world economy yet Obama is doing his best to destroy it. 15 million Americans out of work and millions of others who are out of the labor market could be put back to work with an increase in American consumer demand which would create jobs.
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One of the reasons the global economy is in such a poor state is due to the actions of America - but that's not the President's fault, that's the private sectors. You can't demand the right to be free from govt. interferance and then blame the govt. when you mess things up.

It's all connected.
 
iangb said:
One of the reasons the global economy is in such a poor state is due to the actions of America - but that's not the President's fault, that's the private sectors. You can't demand the right to be free from govt. interferance and then blame the govt. when you mess things up.

It's all connected.
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So what you are saying is that there isn't enough regulation on private industry? I spent 35 years in the private sector and can tell you that there are plenty of regulations on the books now that would have prevented what happened in this country.

The fact is 80% of this economy is run by small private businesses that do not interact in the world economy and that is the sector that is suffering right now and creating most of the unemployment and affected by the slow economic growth.

A simple question, is it the role of the govt. or the private sector to create jobs? Have you checked the historical data on the world economy regarding economic growth and unemployment? If not, do so and you will be shocked. The fact is historically the world has stagnant economic growth and job creation over the past 20 years thus blaming the U.S. economy on the world conditions is not accurate. They are not interlinked the way you describe.
 
Conservative said:
Actually what it shows is you haven't a clue how our economy works and thus buy what you are told by an Administration that also has no clue. A very, very small part of the problems we face are tied to the world economy but instead is tied to the inability of Obama to promote the private sector to increase demand here which increases jobs. We have a large enough economy to isolate us against the world economy yet Obama is doing his best to destroy it. 15 million Americans out of work and millions of others who are out of the labor market could be put back to work with an increase in American consumer demand which would create jobs.
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ahhh....so we are back to the 'obama is all powerful' argument....all he has to do is snap his fingers, and we have full employment. while we have a large economy, it isnt insulated from events around the world....example, we import 2/3 of our oil....when the price of oil goes up, the price of goods go up....when the price of goods go up, people buy less...when people buy less, manufacturers have to produce less, when they produce less, they end up with to many workers, when they have to many workers, they lay some of these workers off...when they lay these workers off, the incomes of these workers decrease, as unemployment benefits are nowhere near the wages of a decent 40hr a week job...these layoffs create further stress on the home economic front, as those who are out of a job, and relying on unemployment benefits, have to reduce spending....no more dinners out, no more vistis to mickey d's for a big mac, no vacations, delayed household repairs...all of which pass the stress on down the line to these industries............... ya see, this is but one example of how we are part of the world economy, like it or not...our dependance on oil binds us to the world pretty well......you can thank me later for the economic lesson.
 
randel said:
ahhh....so we are back to the 'obama is all powerful' argument....all he has to do is snap his fingers, and we have full employment. while we have a large economy, it isnt insulated from events around the world....example, we import 2/3 of our oil....when the price of oil goes up, the price of goods go up....when the price of goods go up, people buy less...when people buy less, manufacturers have to produce less, when they produce less, they end up with to many workers, when they have to many workers, they lay some of these workers off...when they lay these workers off, the incomes of these workers decrease, as unemployment benefits are nowhere near the wages of a decent 40hr a week job...these layoffs create further stress on the home economic front, as those who are out of a job, and relying on unemployment benefits, have to reduce spending....no more dinners out, no more vistis to mickey d's for a big mac, no vacations, delayed household repairs...all of which pass the stress on down the line to these industries............... ya see, this is but one example of how we are part of the world economy, like it or not...our dependance on oil binds us to the world pretty well......you can thank me later for the economic lesson.
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Yep, when the price of oil goes up people buy less yet the price of oil isn't up over 2008 and the fact is people aren't buying because people don't have the money to travel like they used to and Obama is doing nothing along with his Democratic Controlled Congress to improve economic conditions. When taxes go up which they are going up for business those taxes are going to create higher prices which is going to affect demand and thus jobs.

The answer to the economy is not growing the size of govt, not blaming the world economy for the situation we have in this country, not to blame previous Adminstrations, but to stop micro managing the economy, stop spending money, and instead allowing the American consumer to help grow our way out of this recession and that isn't something Obama has any interest in doing. Tax rate cuts put more money into the pockets of the people and they spend it, save it, invest it, or pay down debt and all that benefits economic growth and govt. revenue generation. The U.S. Treasury Dept. supports that statement.

It is time to put the blame where it belongs, on the Obama economic agenda and his leftwing Administration that has never run a business, never met a payroll, never competed in any economy, and never created a meaningful job. liberalism is a failure and seeks to spread misery equally to everyone else. Mission accomplished!
 
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