The fact is there is no reason to be required to have an ID just like there was no reason to have it in the past.
Perhaps this will answer your question.....
In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.
Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
When 1,099 Felons Vote In A Race Won By 312 Ballots - Byron York - Page 1
What all 13 of them? The first of them got up in court and said under oath that he voted for Norm Coleman? Do some homework.
Yeah, because in the past we didn't have an identity theft problem, just like we don't in modern times. :roll:
That's fine. Do you have evidence that all of them voted for Franken? Of course not.
If you actually followed that recount (which I heard about it everyday), most of the wrangling was over absentee ballots. As is usual in recounts.
Yeah, because in the past we didn't have an identity theft problem, just like we don't in modern times. :roll:
Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn't require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.....snip~
And by having voter ID, we'd get rid of all fake IDs? Doubt it.
There's a huge field goal move...
That's fine. Do you have evidence that all of them voted for Franken? Of course not.
I love people that push for more types of ID and don't realize they don't do anything to stop criminals.
Yes, as I pointed out by discounting your own "what if?" -- which was the point of my own. I thought that was clear. I guess not. Do you think that yours are valid and mine are not?
Funny, here are the acceptable forms of ID under the PA law:
Did you not know this, or are you purposely falsely implying that acceptable IDs can come ONLY from DOT locations?
And besides, nice confinement to a single example of one jurisdiction.
No, it's delusional race-card mental vomit.
What difference would it make who they voted for?
Great how that works. "I characterize things in such a way where you can have only one viewpoint, and any other viewpoint is evil."
:roll: It must be quite a thing to view the world through such "evil" filters all the time. No penetrating such a wall of self-assuredness, though.
Because he's crying over 243 votes. Franken won by 312. In order to overturn the result, all of those votes, plus 70 more would have to be for Franken, and not counted.
To me, this is about preventing illegal immigrants from voting in OUR elections. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with one party or another. I couldn't care less about that garbage.
Because he's crying over 243 votes. Franken won by 312. In order to overturn the result, all of those votes, plus 70 more would have to be for Franken, and not counted.
Perhaps this will answer your question.....
In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.
Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
When 1,099 Felons Vote In A Race Won By 312 Ballots - Byron York - Page 1
Yes, mine are valid and yours are not, because voter ID laws affect lots of INDIVIDUAL people. Ergo, the response to your "what it it's not?"
We are talking about people who DON'T already have any of those forms of ID. If they need to get an ID solely to vote, presumably they'll go with the one that's cheapest and easiest to obtain (i.e. a driver's license). They aren't going to shell out over $100 for a passport they won't use, or join the army, or go back to college, or get a municipal job just so that they have a voter ID.
:roll:
And once again you fail to understand how to have a logical discussion. If there is even one jurisdiction in the entire state for which this will be a problem, then it shouldn't go into effect (especially a jurisdiction as large as Philadelphia). The whole point of the law is that it will hit urban/minority areas like Philadelphia harder than it will hit rural ****splat, PA.
"Delusional race-card mental vomit" = What Jim Crow advocates say when they get called on their Jim Crow advocacy. :roll:
I'm relatively sure he's far more concerned about 1099 felons voting the race, point being that the fraudulent votes were greater than the margin of victory, whoever it was who happened to win.
But wouldn't it make sense to basically assume that the votes split about the same as the other votes, which would be approximately 50% either way?
Even for that to be a problem, you have to assume that Franken won that vote by a 70-30 margin. Which is a big assumption, IMO, unless you are a rabid partisan who only believes that Democrats are capable of skulduggery.
It's not about trying to overturn it. It's about proving that the Demo deliberately Committed Voter Fraud in Minnesota. which with all those convictions. Just how does the Demo party get out of it.....Besides lieing to the AMerican People or Even the Minnesota People.
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