Yet another 'delicate' issue with possible escalation

[Craig234]

Belarus is an 'independent country' - but practically, it's greatly subservient to Russia, acting almost as a province. It's allowing Russia to launch attacks on Ukraine from its territory.

But there are limits - and tension over Belarus forces joining the war. Putin badly wants them to but it's the one thing Belarus has refused so far.

And so today Russia launched false flag air attacks on Belarus forces to try to pressure Belarus to 'respond' to them as Ukrainian attacks and enter the war.

My point isn't any of that, it's background. Rather, it's about the issue of the 'delicate' question of combat between the west and Belarus, especially if Belarus gives Putin what he wants and enters the war.

It's one thing for NATO to not attack Russian forces in Russia or Ukraine; but what about attacking Belarus forces? Belarus isn't a nuclear power, and isn't Russia. Does Putin get to say Belarus is 'like NATO' in that an attack on them is like an attack on Russia? That's a 'delicate' hair to split the west has split between NATO countries and Ukraine.

Of course there are Russian forces in Belarus we'd need to avoid. But if Belarus entered the war, and we could strike Belarus forces, should we? What are the dangers of that being an 'escalation' for Putin toward nuclear war? And of course if we did, there's the greatly increased risk of accidentally hitting of Russian forces.

 

[noonereal]

We need to stay clear of everything not NATO. period.

 

[noonereal]

Putin, the world , now knows for sure, Putin's military would be no match for the USA. It would be like swating flies.
Now add to that, all the NATO forces. Putin is not stupid. He knows he could not win. He can play to a stalemate with nukes so we must be very carful .

Thank God Joe us president.

If Trump were in power, oh my God, would we be in a world of shit.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Belarus is an 'independent country' - but practically, it's greatly subservient to Russia, acting almost as a province. It's allowing Russia to launch attacks on Ukraine from its territory.

But there are limits - and tension over Belarus forces joining the war. Putin badly wants them to but it's the one thing Belarus has refused so far.

And so today Russia launched false flag air attacks on Belarus forces to try to pressure Belarus to 'respond' to them as Ukrainian attacks and enter the war.

My point isn't any of that, it's background. Rather, it's about the issue of the 'delicate' question of combat between the west and Belarus, especially if Belarus gives Putin what he wants and enters the war.

It's one thing for NATO to not attack Russian forces in Russia or Ukraine; but what about attacking Belarus forces? Belarus isn't a nuclear power, and isn't Russia. Does Putin get to say Belarus is 'like NATO' in that an attack on them is like an attack on Russia? That's a 'delicate' hair to split the west has split between NATO countries and Ukraine.

Of course there are Russian forces in Belarus we'd need to avoid. But if Belarus entered the war, and we could strike Belarus forces, should we? What are the dangers of that being an 'escalation' for Putin toward nuclear war? And of course if we did, there's the greatly increased risk of accidentally hitting of Russian forces.

Realistically Belarus is about as independent as your thumb.

 

[Peacenik]

Belarus is an 'independent country' - but practically, it's greatly subservient to Russia, acting almost as a province. It's allowing Russia to launch attacks on Ukraine from its territory.

But there are limits - and tension over Belarus forces joining the war. Putin badly wants them to but it's the one thing Belarus has refused so far.

And so today Russia launched false flag air attacks on Belarus forces to try to pressure Belarus to 'respond' to them as Ukrainian attacks and enter the war.

My point isn't any of that, it's background. Rather, it's about the issue of the 'delicate' question of combat between the west and Belarus, especially if Belarus gives Putin what he wants and enters the war.

It's one thing for NATO to not attack Russian forces in Russia or Ukraine; but what about attacking Belarus forces? Belarus isn't a nuclear power, and isn't Russia. Does Putin get to say Belarus is 'like NATO' in that an attack on them is like an attack on Russia? That's a 'delicate' hair to split the west has split between NATO countries and Ukraine.

Of course there are Russian forces in Belarus we'd need to avoid. But if Belarus entered the war, and we could strike Belarus forces, should we? What are the dangers of that being an 'escalation' for Putin toward nuclear war? And of course if we did, there's the greatly increased risk of accidentally hitting of Russian forces.

No. This is not our war. We don't want to be in a war. We want to help as much as we can without entering a war.

And we have to be very careful because Putin is mad. This is a make or break moment for him. Russia has a way of killing leaders who become greatly unpopular.

Putin attacked Ukraine because Ukraine, becoming very modernized, democratic and free, represented a huge challenge to his propaganda. Putin retains power because of his propaganda. He can't have well informed modern Ukrainian people mixing with Russians and telling the truth. That was the real threat. He knows NATO is purely defensive with no aggressive ambitions. He knows NATO poses no military threat to any other nations. That whole thing about NATO closing in on Russia is BS. His real problem is the truth coming to Russia.

Russia is built on a pack of lies.

That's in the process of unraveling very quickly. Their money is becoming worthless and their credit cards don't work. Putin's gonna have some pretty pissed off citizens on his hands pretty soon. Putin does not have the luxury of time to see this war drag out. He needed it to go very quickly and now it's turning into a bogged down mess. He's about to up the ante by using chemical weapons. He's already putting the propaganda out there to set up for it.

As usual, President Biden is one step ahead of him. Just like Biden called it when Putin went into Ukraine, he's now warning everyone about Putin and chemical weapons. Let's just hope Putin doesn't go with nukes out of desperation.

Absolutely the LAST thing we need to do is get involved militarily. That could end very badly.