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No one's saying history is irrelevant smart ass. Your history, on the other hand, is pretty unfathomable. .
The facts about control of the world come from the great late 19th Century work Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Secondary authority though equally supportive is Mein Kampf.
OK! So the USA only killed 20 million.
That is what I said. Thanks for corroborating.
A gentle reminder we were having a discussion....
So, your 20 million. Care to back that up?
You've already backed it up.
You've included the USA in the body counts of EVIL nations to make the USA seem less evil EVIL is!
You think that makes the USA sound good by being less evil.
Take a good look at Guantanamo.
Black sites.
Rendition, known as kidnapping to the rest of the World.
Drones and collaterol deaths 50 to 1.
We must be the good guys because you BELIEVE, like religion, that. You're a believer, not a patriot, and not a seeker of truth because you don't like the truth.
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US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWIIBy James A. Lucas, www.countercurrents.orgYour turn...
The premise of this thread it that when a party starts a war and loses, the defending side should be allowed to finish it. In the cases of WW I, Korea and Vietnam the aggressors, respectively Germany/Austro-Hungarian Empire, North Korea and North Vietnam started wars. The wars ended in armistices, not in military victories. In all cases complete victory was possible but the West, being “nice” left the losing side to their own devices. In all cases it has leapt us to bite us.
WW I (armistice) – This case is perhaps the least clear. The Austro-Hungarian Empire, tied by treaty and history to Germany (only recently Prussia and other principalities) tried to take over the Balkans, lured by the chaos surrounding the murder of the Archduke of Sarajevo on June 28, 1914. (source). After a long war with unprecedented bloodshed the Austro-Hungarian Empire was split into Austria, Hungary Romania, Bulgaria, Albania and Czechoslovakia, and the Balkans reconstituted into Yugoslavia. However the core of the countries remained intact and were not occupied. The terms of this armistice did not sit easily with a still-intact and independent Austria and Germany. They covertly did not comply with the disarmament mandates of Versailles. All else is history.
Korea (armistice) – Probably the strongest case. Korea was historically under the sway of either Japan or China (source). In or about 1910 Japan seized control. When WW II ended Korea was partitioned between the northern half, occupied by the USSR and the southern half, occupied by the U.S. There was, to my understanding, little reason for this generosity to the U.S.S.R. since they took astonishingly little part in the defeat of Japan in the war. In Europe, at least a colorable argument could be made that they earned a share of the spoils, and effective control of Eastern Europe. When NK invaded in 1950 there was little reason for not conquering and holding NK, reuniting it under South Korea’s military dictatorship.
Since then, NK has clearly not found the status quo acceptable. They are now a nuclear power, leaving the West with little choice but surrender or a full-scale war before NK poses a mortal threat to the civilized world.
WW II – This is an example in the opposite direction, of what happens when there is total victory, mostly by the civilized world. While we have not had “kumbaya” perfection (see above regarding Korea, and also other small wars such as Vietnam and the Middle East), the world has by and large not had major wars. Victory was total. Japan and Germany are not a threat to world safety nor are they likely to be.
Israel (armistice in 1948 and 1956, victory in 1967 and 1973) – Another good example. 1948 and 1956 ended in standstills. The Arabs kept on attacking. In 1967 they closed the Straits of Tiran, threatening to throttle Israel’s imports of oil from Iran. Israel obliterated Egypt’s air force on the ground. The war lasted six days.
Since then the rest of the world has sought to give the Arabs a do-over. Trump finally recognized Israel’s choice of capitals. The Arabs should have sued for peace when they had a chance. Israel won and the world “boo-hoos” at their exercise of the victory. If they were anything like North Vietnam, Myanmar or other victorious countries there would have been a bloodbath.
Let me summarize:
Here are the "heads I win tails you lose" situations:
North Korea invades South Korea, loses, but loses no territory; and
Arabs repeatedly engaged in war, both guerrilla (now called terrorism or asymetrical war) or conventional wars, i.e. 1948, 1967 and 1973 and lose, and Israel is expected to give all the territory back with no assurance of peace.
In the case of North Korea they have, almost since the 1953 cease-fire been seeking to expand their military capability. The free world is urged to "negotiate." The West gave money in 1994. NK did not live up to the terms of the agreement.
Israel won all of its wars. Yet it is expected to return territory. We returned Gaza and did not get peace in return. What's up with that?
A loss in war should severely and permanently penalize the aggressor. Germany and Japan were reduced to second-rate, though affluent powers. I don’t think that’s such a bad fate for the people of the Arab world, as opposed to their “leaders.”
US Has Killed More Than 20 Million In 37 Nations Since WWIIBy James A. Lucas, www.countercurrents.org
November 27, 2015| Educate!
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After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the United States had also been responsible for causing those same feelings in people in other nations, but they produced hardly a ripple. Although Americans understand in the abstract the wisdom of people around the world empathizing with the suffering of one another, such a reminder of wrongs committed by our nation got little hearing and was soon overshadowed by an accelerated “war on terrorism.”
But we must continue our efforts to develop understanding and compassion in the world. Hopefully, this article will assist in doing that by addressing the question “How many September 11ths has the United States caused in other nations since WWII?” This theme is developed in this report which contains an estimated numbers of such deaths in 37 nations as well as brief explanations of why the U.S. is considered culpable.
The causes of wars are complex. In some instances nations other than the U.S. may have been responsible for more deaths, but if the involvement of our nation appeared to have been a necessary cause of a war or conflict it was considered responsible for the deaths in it. In other words they probably would not have taken place if the U.S. had not used the heavy hand of its power. The military and economic power of the United States was crucial.
This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.
The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan. <Snipped regurgitated links>
You realize that people die in war? And any chance to end it is good. War is bad.
DaveFagan does not comprehend that. Casualties in war fighting aggressors is evil.
The USA is the aggressor. The Nation is a war machine. Why do you think we have a $700 Billion Military Offense budget? Biggest Industry in the USA. Continuous war for 70 years. "War is good business, and business is good."
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Maybe I'm too stupid to understand your post.You've already backed it up. You've included the USA in the body counts of EVIL nations to make the USA seem less evil EVIL is! You think that makes the USA sound good by being less evil. Take a good look at Guantanamo. Black sites. Rendition, known as kidnapping to the rest of the World. Drones and collaterol deaths 50 to 1. We must be the good guys because you BELIEVE, like religion, that. You're a believer, not a patriot, and not a seeker of truth because you don't like the truth.
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I guess you think "better red than dead"? I prefer "Live Free or Die" even though I'm not from New Hampshire and I'm a liberal extremist.You realize that people die in war? And any chance to end it is good. War is bad.
Have you ever read Jump the Shark or understand that expression? When the Fonz, while waterskiing, jumped over a shark, that was a point where his show could no longer be taken seriously. That is what we mean by "jumping the shark." I think you finally accomplished that in this post.The USA is the aggressor. The Nation is a war machine. Why do you think we have a $700 Billion Military Offense budget? Biggest Industry in the USA. Continuous war for 70 years. "War is good business, and business is good."
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Have you ever read Jump the Shark or understand that expression? When the Fonz, while waterskiing, jumped over a shark, that was a point where his show could no longer be taken seriously. That is what we mean by "jumping the shark." I think you finally accomplished that in this post.
lET'S CHECK REALITY. $700 billion Military Offense budget. That's a fact. Biggest Industry in the USA. That's a fact. Continuous for 70 years. That's a fact. "War is good business, and business is good." That's a fact. The USA has most recently invaded, bombed, destabilized Libya, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan and that behavior is aggressive. That's a fact. Sorry, no sharks.
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Repetitive blah blah, blah blah and blah....
Correct. That's the problem with truth. It always the same.
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lET'S CHECK REALITY. $700 billion Military Offense budget. That's a fact. Biggest Industry in the USA. That's a fact. Continuous for 70 years. That's a fact. "War is good business, and business is good." That's a fact. The USA has most recently invaded, bombed, destabilized Libya, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan and that behavior is aggressive. That's a fact. Sorry, no sharks.
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Let's see...
Korea - We weren't the aggresor there
Vietnam - Weren't we invited by the Republic of Vietnam?
Iraq - Wasn't the first time due to Iraq invading Kuwait?
Iraq - Wasn't the second time due to that idiot Saddam not complying with the UN requirements?
Ukraine - How are we the "aggresor" when it was Russian invasion?
Yemen - WTH?
The sad part is that you really believe that.
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