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Would You Vote Independent Howard Schultz For President in 2020?

Would You Vote Independent Howard Schultz For President?

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Bucky said:
He would take away a lot of swing votes away from Trump. The Democrats are scared because he upsets the status quo.
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Time will tell but I would suggest that his main appeal - being a former Democrat - is to other Democrats. If that is true, he does NOT harm Trump but the Democratic Party 2020 nominee. Which explains why Trump tired to insult and bait him into doing this.
 
People have to remember howard is a democrat however he is no longer a democrat in today's party. The party today has shifted so left. Progressive be definition means center-left.

Progressives are being shun by the party in favor of democrat socialism.... and those that find the word socialism offensive... thats what literally they call themselves!!!!!
 
haymarket said:
Time will tell but I would suggest that his main appeal - being a former Democrat - is to other Democrats. If that is true, he does NOT harm Trump but the Democratic Party 2020 nominee. Which explains why Trump tired to insult and bait him into doing this.
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If democrats want influence they have to run left.
 
If President Trump is not the candidate, then I would absolutely vote for Mr. Schultz in order to help split the Democratic vote, thus ensuring the victory of the Republicans.
 
Is this guy center-right or center-left?


If he's center-left, he can burn in hell because his running could very well Nader us. Any other election than 2020, fine, do what you want. But do not ****ing sic another 4 years of Trumpism on us. (And for related reasons, I begin to suspect he actually would want to Nader us: if Trump wins, maybe he gets another round of tax cuts we will have to borrow to pay for. Or maybe Trump twists some arms and does Starbuck some favors.

Why can't he just run as a Democrat?



RW media wants you to think all liberals are far left but they're simply not. A center left candidate has a good chance of winning. Obama did get a second turn.
 
Please this is a joke and, you are running a independent ticket just shows how much you are not interested
 
No, I wouldn't vote for him. The surest way to give Trump a better chance to be reelected is for some idiot to mount an independent run for the Presidency.
 
I can't vote but if I could it would probably go to Trump.
 
haymarket said:
Time will tell but I would suggest that his main appeal - being a former Democrat - is to other Democrats. If that is true, he does NOT harm Trump but the Democratic Party 2020 nominee. Which explains why Trump tired to insult and bait him into doing this.
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Trumps was originally a Democrat. There are those who defy previous labels. I'm not saying that's the case with Schultz, but let's hear some in depth details from him before deciding.

The field of candidates is growing almost daily. We may have some truly distinct voices and new thought before this is over. That alone could be beneficial, so long as it is not who yells loudest about being anti Trump. Let's see if the Republicans can offer some viable alternatives. Party loyalty is not as important as finding the best possible candidates to choose from.
 
if Trump runs he gets my vote!!!!! If he decides not to and goes back to the enviable lifestyle he enjoyed before
becoming president I may! I'll never support someone like Romney, Ryan, Kasich, Flake or Nilli Haley so if they
become the nominee I may. If the Democrats nominate Tulsi Gabbard & Trumps not available I'd go with her.
If the Democrats nominate anyone other than Gabbard & the Republican go with the above mentioned neverTrumpers
if I vote I'd probably go with Schulz!
 
TurtleDude said:
I'd give money to help him run. Because I want to see the Democrats LOSE
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great. i'll wait anxiously for a screenshot of the receipt. what will your contribution be?
 
Helix said:
great. i'll wait anxiously for a screenshot of the receipt. what will your contribution be?
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oh probably an hour's take -500 bucks or so. I will wait and see if he declares. I gave Trump 2K in 2016.
 
TurtleDude said:
oh probably an hour's take -500 bucks or so. I will wait and see if he declares. I gave Trump 2K in 2016.
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sounds good. you can waste as much of your money as you want on fools and lost causes.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I've only seen some superficial statements.
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He's basically a Democrat, through and through but he's not a socialist or extremist. He's upset with both parties for getting too extreme.
 
chuckiechan said:
He wont run because he will be a democrat spoiler and they are already talking about boycotting him, and if he persists,he may get hit by a meterite.

On the bright side, he is a businessman, so I’m willing to listen .
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Almost sounds like the very same BS that happened with Hillary. She was the annointed one and Bernie had to be taken down with every dishonest and dirty trick in the book. Boycott Starbucks just because Schultz is a Trump supporter? Sounds about right for the dirty trick leftists. They will even eat their own kind to further their leftist agenda.
 
Moderate Right said:
Almost sounds like the very same BS that happened with Hillary. She was the annointed one and Bernie had to be taken down with every dishonest and dirty trick in the book. Boycott Starbucks just because Schultz is a Trump supporter? Sounds about right for the dirty trick leftists. They will even eat their own kind to further their leftist agenda.
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It says a lot that the Left is trying to bully Schultz into stepping away from the race. He's not radical enough, he's not promising free everything for just existing and being able to fog a mirror and worst of all, he's a wealthy capitalist who exemplifies American opportunity and what people can do with a lot of hard work and harnessing the American dream.

Used to be that men and women like Schultz were shining examples of America's exceptionalism. Now, the radical Left demonized people like him and calls him greedy. They don't like it when people have too much money and demand they get to confiscate his wealth in their socialistic world.

Instead of inspiring ideas and hard work, Schultz sparks their rage and sense of victimhood.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Curious
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I don't know. All I do know is come 2020 Trump isn't going to get my vote. Of course he didn't in 2016 either. I voted third party against both Trump and Clinton. Will I vote for the Democratic candidate, that all depends on whom the Democratic candidate is. If I don't like their candidate, I will vote third party. Whether for Scultz or some other third party candidate, that remains to be seen.

I am among the 57% of all Americans who think a viable third party is needed. As such, I have no qualms in voting third party when I dislike both major party candidates. There is no voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate for me.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244094...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

This desire for a third party is the two major parties fault. Their constant movement to the further left and right, away from middle America, the center, center left and center right has caused the two major parties to shrink quite a lot over the last 10-15 years. Most of America is somewhere in-between of the far left and far right agendas of our two major parties. This has caused the rise in independents from 30% to 43% since 2006.

It is only getting worse.
 
Perotista said:
I don't know. All I do know is come 2020 Trump isn't going to get my vote. Of course he didn't in 2016 either. I voted third party against both Trump and Clinton. Will I vote for the Democratic candidate, that all depends on whom the Democratic candidate is. If I don't like their candidate, I will vote third party. Whether for Scultz or some other third party candidate, that remains to be seen.

I am among the 57% of all Americans who think a viable third party is needed. As such, I have no qualms in voting third party when I dislike both major party candidates. There is no voting for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate for me.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244094...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

This desire for a third party is the two major parties fault. Their constant movement to the further left and right, away from middle America, the center, center left and center right has caused the two major parties to shrink quite a lot over the last 10-15 years. Most of America is somewhere in-between of the far left and far right agendas of our two major parties. This has caused the rise in independents from 30% to 43% since 2006.

It is only getting worse.
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The problem as I see it, and I may be wrong, is that even though independents are rising, I don't think it translated into those independents voting en masse for the independent candidate. Seems more like being independent means you're not part of either base and are ripe for the persuading by the Rep and Dem candidates.

How do you feel the Right has gone far more Right?

Thanks.
 
Howard Schultz doesn’t check the independent party boxes because he is a democrat flat out. Everyone is beating the table for Ocasio-Cortez but she doesn’t meet the age. So?
 
Acadia said:
The problem as I see it, and I may be wrong, is that even though independents are rising, I don't think it translated into those independents voting en masse for the independent candidate. Seems more like being independent means you're not part of either base and are ripe for the persuading by the Rep and Dem candidates.

How do you feel the Right has gone far more Right?

Thanks.
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That has been the history of independents, swinging between the two major parties. Unless there is a well financed third party or independent candidate that can get his message out to the people, being the swing vote will continue. You had 12% of independents vote third party in 2016, 5% in 2012, 4% in 2008, 3% in 2004, 6% in 2000, 18% in 1996 and 30% in 1992. Perot was fairly well financed, was able to get his name recognition out there compared to the post Perot third party runs. They didn't have any money whatsoever.

Congressional wise,independents voted for the Democratic congressional candidates 57-39 in 2006, independents voted for the Republican congressional candidates 57-41 in 2010, 54-42 for Democratic congressional candidates in 2018. Those were the big swing years as in 2004 independents went slightly for the GOP congressional critters. Then slightly for the Democrats in 2008 before going Republican 2010,12,14 and 16 before switching back to the democrats in 2018.

Money seems to be the big difference, without it no independent or third party candidate can get his message out, get name recognition or coverage by the media. So, yes, independents will continue to swing back and forth until a well financed third party or independents runs. I have no doubt a well financed third party candidate would have beaten both Trump and Clinton in 2016, they were that disliked by America as a whole. But with no money, we have the results we did.
 
I believe that Schulz is not a full blown independent candidate! Well well well the republican he’s running on the independent side but, realize something Howard is a democrat period end of story. Any one who is a true libertarian or whatever you can look at his views on everything and tell me how much line up with you.
 
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