Would you vote for a gay presidential candidate?

[Hatuey]

Slavery was always immoral.

How has slavery always been immoral? It was only abolished 146 years ago in the U.S. alone. Slavery has existed since the age of the Pharaohs in Egypt. If slavery is as immoral as you say it wouldn't have lasted 5500 years. Owning slaves has always been a sign of power in some cultures. The Romans did it, the Greeks and so did The British and Teutons and Nubians and the Chinese and the Japs and the Koreans. How can it be immoral and still have existed in so many cultures without anyone of them ever abolishing slavery to the level to the extent the modern world has?

 

[Schweddy]

First you said:

Slavery was always immoral.

then you said:

Morality is a social construct that changes with society's collective opinion.

Thats two very opposite statements.
Slavery was *not* always immoral. It wasn't until the nineteeth century that most countries abolished it.

Case and point:
Before the American revolution, many of our servicemen were stolen off our ships and used as slave labor or forced paid labor on the ships for the British regardless of color. Now, we would consider that an act of war and think it highly immoral. Back then, it was just a thing and wasn't even considered a bad thing - more of an annoyance. Our government stepped in and signed a treaty years after the American Revolution pretty much asking the massive sea ships to chill out. Eventually, that made it immoral to do so. Before then, the British fleet was something to be recond with and if we could, we would have done the same to their ships.

The government doesn't set my morals. In fact, laws have very little effect on people's morality.

Governements affect morality. As you stated above, which I entirely agree the governments help change societies collective opinion or force them.

 

[Navy Pride]

Again claiming Clinton was brushing off Presidential duties because he would rather get a BJ. I guess if you say it enough times it must be true. Screw facts.

This guy was such a sex fiend that he actually got BJs in the oval office while talking to someone on the phone in the congress.......

 

[Gibberish]

This guy was such a sex fiend that he actually got BJs in the oval office while talking to someone on the phone in the congress.......

While he was burning an American flag, aborting 10 babies, and jacking off Osama? Man, what a multi-tasker.

Again post some sort of a source. I will even take the onion at this point, since this will be the fourth time I have asked you.

 

[jamesrage]

I live in a 'write' in state.

I don't.So my choices are what is on the ballot.

 

[RightinNYC]

While he was burning an American flag, aborting 10 babies, and jacking off Osama? Man, what a multi-tasker.

Again post some sort of a source. I will even take the onion at this point, since this will be the fourth time I have asked you.

Not to defend Navy's main point, but that anecdote actually is true. It's all in the looooong starr report.

 

[Navy Pride]

While he was burning an American flag, aborting 10 babies, and jacking off Osama? Man, what a multi-tasker.

Again post some sort of a source. I will even take the onion at this point, since this will be the fourth time I have asked you.

It was common knowledge..........Where you been?

 

[Navy Pride]

Not to defend Navy's main point, but that anecdote actually is true. It's all in the looooong starr report.

Not to ask for your defense but thanks...........

 

[Thorgasm]

How has slavery always been immoral? It was only abolished 146 years ago in the U.S. alone. Slavery has existed since the age of the Pharaohs in Egypt. If slavery is as immoral as you say it wouldn't have lasted 5500 years. Owning slaves has always been a sign of power in some cultures. The Romans did it, the Greeks and so did The British and Teutons and Nubians and the Chinese and the Japs and the Koreans. How can it be immoral and still have existed in so many cultures without anyone of them ever abolishing slavery to the level to the extent the modern world has?

By our standard today, slavery is immoral, no matter when it happened. There is a fundamental difference between legal and moral. Or are you trying to say that slavery was perfectly fine before it was outlawed? Or are you saying that I can't look back at history and judge the morality of it? People's opinion 5500 years ago means nothing to me. I am not sure that if something is ubiquitous that it is automatically okay.

 

[Thorgasm]

Thats two very opposite statements.
Slavery was *not* always immoral. It wasn't until the nineteeth century that most countries abolished it.

I was speaking in terms of today's morals. You are trying to turn this into an idea that slavery is morally fine as long as the law allows it. I cannot think of one instance of slavery being morally fine by today's standards.

Case and point:
Before the American revolution, many of our servicemen were stolen off our ships and used as slave labor or forced paid labor on the ships for the British regardless of color. Now, we would consider that an act of war and think it highly immoral. Back then, it was just a thing and wasn't even considered a bad thing - more of an annoyance. Our government stepped in and signed a treaty years after the American Revolution pretty much asking the massive sea ships to chill out. Eventually, that made it immoral to do so. Before then, the British fleet was something to be recond with and if we could, we would have done the same to their ships.

So your premise is that if it's illegal, it's immoral? If it is legal, it is morally fine? I know that you are smarter than that. Morality has nothing to do with what is allowed. Is it immoral to reneg on a binding life-long contract? It is allowed.

Governements affect morality. As you stated above, which I entirely agree the governments help change societies collective opinion or force them.

If the govt. affected morality then why are there so many people in prison? Yes, the collective opinion can be swayed, i.e. interracial dating. I was speaking of personal morality. As much as govts. have wanted to abolish homosexuality, they haven't changed anything. The same thing goes for drunkenness.