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Would You Tell the Democrats to Keep the Trump Tariffs?

Would you tell the Democrats to keep the Trump Tariffs?

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    Votes: 19 86.4%
  • Maybe.

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Don't Know.

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Definitely not.

    Votes: 1 4.5%

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Would You Tell the Democrats to Keep the Trump Tariffs?

I'm vetting my point of view, to make sure I'm on the money, any information you have on the subject would be appreciated.

Is there anything good about the Trump Tariffs?

Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?

Of course, if we elect Democrats in 2028, the Tariffs will be summarily thrown out, along with everything else Trump.

Is this the baby with the bathwater? Will we be going back to a poor trading advantage.

SCOTUS may throw it out anyway.
 

Of course not. The tRump tariffs are an import tax that hits poor people the hardest.

Tax the rich.
 
Of course not. The tRump tariffs are an import tax that hits poor people the hardest.

Tax the rich.
Yes, but careening back and forth, perhaps it would be better just to keep the tariffs. Can you prove to me this is not true? What kind of deal do you think these Countries have been giving us? Is Trump all wrong? We must remember no-one is all right or all wrong.
 
Of course not. The tRump tariffs are an import tax that hits poor people the hardest.

Tax the rich.
I would say, "Tax the rich and keep the tariffs."

That is my guess.
 
The tariffs are a disaster and need to end the second Trump is out of power.
 
The tariffs are a disaster and need to end the second Trump is out of power.
I hear lots of opinions, but no data, no proof, no link.
 
Hell no. Why should we pay more for stuff because the government is greedy and can't stop spending?
 

I am Canadian. Why would I support these tariffs?
 
I am Canadian. Why would I support these tariffs?
It's a long run view, but tariffs that penalize US manufacturers, tariffs on raw materials, will inevitably benefit manufacturers in other countries, including Canada. Especially as the world market-place changes with China and India becoming more consumer markets and the US becoming more income-disparate.
It would be a tough adjustment but I think that if the US tariffs stayed in place for four years and the USA continued to become isolated by networks of trade agreements that don't include them the rest of the world will be better off.
 
Ok, the question I have is, "How much manufacturing is actually coming back stateside? Is it all Trump hype?"
 
Ok, the question I have is, "How much manufacturing is actually coming back stateside? Is it all Trump hype?"
Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?

Will we be going back to a poor trading advantage.

Let's start with the idea that tariffs give you a trade advantage.

If you are trying to compete with other countries to make the same stuff, and you are already pretty close, small, targeted tariffs can help protect your domestic industry from being undercut. But that will only help your industry sell their products domestically; if American socks cost $2/pair to produce and socks made in Honduras cost $1.50 to produce, the rest of the world is going to buy Honduran socks at $1.50, while a U.S. tariff on Honduran socks that brings their U.S. price above $2 will make U.S.-produced socks attractive to U.S. consumers only. If the U.S. sock producer can never get their costs low enough to compete with Honduran socks, what have you gained? U.S. consumers are basically subsidizing an uncompetitive industry by paying more and getting less. You have a domestic sock producer, which is good for any future national sock emergencies, but it comes at a cost (to the consumer).

The problem is, we don't produce the same stuff, for the most part. Economies find their niches. We are still the second largest exporter on the planet, so we were doing alright. We compete where we can compete, and leave things like textiles to countries with cheap labor.

The most galling example is aluminum. Canada is well-positioned to produce aluminum relatively inexpensively, we are not (their electricity is cheaper). Pre-trump, Canada was basically another state - a solid ally, a solid trading partner, and zero worries. We bought their aluminum and their lumber cheaply, almost as if it were produced in the states. And aluminum really matters - it affects tons of American manufacturing. There was simply no reason to do this. You want certain strategic capabilities within your domestic economy, but Canada was never going to stop selling us aluminum, or lumber.

If you just throw up large, across-the-board tariffs on all other countries, a la trump, all you are doing is making imports more expensive, and assuming reciprocal tariffs, you are making U.S. exports more expensive to the rest of the world. Meanwhile, the rest of the world trades amongst themselves tariff-free. Predictably, the value of the dollar relative to other currencies has decreased.

If you are worried about trade deficits, stop worrying, because they are not a problem. We get stuff, they get treasuries that just sit there doing nothing. (I can explain this at length if necessary.) It's far more important to maximize your exports, regardless of any imbalance, because more commerce is a good thing - more jobs, more income, etc. Imports also help - stuff is shipped around and sold in stores, all of which adds to GDP and income. And some imports are necessary for U.S. businesses to produce things. Lots of small businesses depend on imported machines and tools to make what they make.

Foreign investment has never been a problem. There are lots of car factories in the U.S., for instance. There were already sensible tariffs and other modifiers (countries all have their own safety standards, for instance) that made producing cars in the U.S. for the U.S. market a smart move. A weaker dollar just makes those factors less of a factor.

So, no, I can't think of any good these new tariffs are doing. There are far better, smarter ways of developing your manufacturing base or attracting investment, if that was ever the goal.
 
Some tariffs, parricularly on China, can be good. I mean thats why Biden kept some of Trump's tariffs when he got in. But the tariffs trump has done this term have been extreme. I don't think it makes sense for anyone to continue those.
 
The Democrats should not be entirely afraid of tariffs. But they should not keep the Trump tariffs.

1. The "de minimis" exemption was a giant loophole. It allowed people to pay no tariff to China while they had to pay sales tax to buy in the store. Trump was right to see it was broken. However, that loophole was sustaining small businesses and individuals - giving those without the money a rare advantage with small purchases. A future candidate needs to bring back "de minimis", BUT extend it to allow sales tax free purchases within the U.S., and put a reasonable limit on how many times it is claimed, so that a single store in a strip mall that sells delicious European chocolate can import all their stock without tariffs, but a corporate chain or large factory would have to deal with whatever tariffs are thrown at them.

2. Trump tariffs are arbitrary and unpredictable. Real tariffs need to be laws with a clear duration. Businessmen need to be sure they will make a profit when they build a U.S. factory. The government should compile a Five Year Plan (YES like China) describing the tariffs it has placed and what bordering regulations and subsidies it plans to enact, in order to ensure that new factories are constructed in a predictable way to make that profit, and reduce the impact on the rest of the country.

3. The "10% baseline" needs to be formally acknowledged as a National Sales Tax - that is currently its purpose. Efforts must be made to push through a unification of state sales taxes and the National Sales tax into a single, more moderate number, with a very high priority being to make the documentation and payment of this tax very easy and inexpensive.

4. Most other tariffs need to be reduced. Good relations should be sought with virtually every country offended. Tariffs should never be excused as "punishments" for real or (usually) imagined crimes, but be explicitly protectionist in nature to accomplish a planned economic change. Sanctions should be handled separately and applied to only a small number of countries.
 
The most important question in terms of economic and political success is:
"Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?"

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Some tariffs, parricularly on China, can be good. I mean thats why Biden kept some of Trump's tariffs when he got in. But the tariffs trump has done this term have been extreme. I don't think it makes sense for anyone to continue those.

Why do you state that?
Have we seen dramatic increases in the rate of inflation as a result of tariffs?

What else matters besides inflation affecting consumers?
 
The most important question in terms of economic and political success is:
"Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?"

W
Some tariffs, parricularly on China, can be good. I mean thats why Biden kept some of Trump's tariffs when he got in. But the tariffs trump has done this term have been extreme. I don't think it makes sense for anyone to continue those.

Why do you state that?
Have we seen dramatic increases in the rate of inflation as a result of tariffs?

What else matters besides inflation affecting consumers?
Do you want a definitive, absolutely true answer to my question?
Or would you just an educated guess like every who comes here loves to give.?
 
Would You Tell the Democrats to Keep the Trump Tariffs?
No.
Is there anything good about the Trump Tariffs?
No.
Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?
Trump's lies.
Of course, if we elect Democrats in 2028, the Tariffs will be summarily thrown out, along with everything else Trump.
I hope so.
Is this the baby with the bathwater? Will we be going back to a poor trading advantage.
There is no such thing.
 
This is a question for US farmers.
 
Would You Tell the Democrats to Keep the Trump Tariffs?
No.

But eliminating tariffs are much harder than putting them on. Tariffs are a little like blocking a flowing river. At first it creates chaos as the river builds up and eventually flows around the blockage carving a new path. Removing the block doesn't mean the river will entirely revert to its original course as the new path may be preferable so the water may not return.

The decision to remove tariffs have to be done carefully, and may require concessions, but if your partners don't trust you, or worse have a political or economic interest in denying you trade, they won't come back, and ironically, in that case, the tariff country becomes the author of the harm it suffers as a result.


Is there anything good about the Trump Tariffs?
As much as I dislike Trump generally speaking, I would never make a blanket statement like that, especially in the global world of economics. Now what I will comfortably say is that the result will have more negative effects, likely significantly more. Not the least of which is the lack of trust in the US as a reliable trading partner and until the political upheaval here in the US between the right and the left simmers way down, I think the US will continued to be perceived as a nation that cannot be trusted long term.


Is it really bringing investment into the Country, or is this just Trump's lies?
Again, the economy is HUGE so there will almost certainly be some investment brought to the US that may not have existed prior. But I would caution anyone to consider sources when hearing information about investments.

If I recall correctly, Trump announced a billion dollar (multi-billion?) investment by Foxconn in (Minnesota?) and 30k jobs that ended up a few million dollars and a few hundred people, though if my sources are to be believed, the US will lose money in incentives given to Foxconn. Foxconn was a lie built on truths. Meaning that a lot of what was being said was true on it's own, but ended up, in its entirety to be a lie because I don't believe that the administration was concerned with follow though, just the announcement.

I think we'll see a lot more of that, promises that generate headlines, but that will amount to nothing, and the lies won't be in what they tell you, but what they don't.

Of course, if we elect Democrats in 2028, the Tariffs will be summarily thrown out, along with everything else Trump.
Biden didn't "throw up everything Trump" and I think that Democrats, unlike Trump, realize that running though the government like a bull in a China shop will have serious implications. So dismantling the harm done will take time.

Is this the baby with the bathwater? Will we be going back to a poor trading advantage.
Could you explain this a little more?
 
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