Would you pay $5,789 a year so that everyone has health care?

[swing_voter]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


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[SNOWFLAKE]

From the above link:

That per capita rate would put Canada near the high end of what other advanced economies pay. According to the CIHI, in 2014, the last year for which comparable data was available, Canada spent $5,543 per resident, more than the United Kingdom ($4,986) and Australia ($5,187) but less than Sweden ($6,245) and far less than the United States ($11,126).

Something else to consider:

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019: Higher Spending, Worse Outcomes?

Americans are living shorter, unhealthier lives. Yet, the United States outspends other wealthy nations when it comes to health care, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report. This analysis compares the U.S. to 10 other high-income nations on spending, outcomes, risk factors, and quality.

www.commonwealthfund.org

The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country
The U.S. has the highest chronic disease burden and an obesity rate that is two times higher than the OECD average.
Americans had fewer physician visits than peers in most countries
Compared to peer nations, the U.S. has among the highest number of hospitalizations from preventable causes and the highest rate of avoidable deaths

Also from above link:

The U.S. Has the Lowest Life Expectancy
Suicide Rates Are the Highest in the U.S.
U.S. Adults Have the Highest Chronic Disease Burden

HOWEVER, to be fair, within the link I supplied there are some positives where the U.S. is more successful than other countries, but when you balance the enormous cost vs the reduced benefits of YOUR health care system vs ours, I will take the Canadian system.

 

[Callen]

*****That article is misleading in my opinion. The calculation is based on how much Canada as a whole spends on healthcare. With or without universal healthcare every government must spend a certain amount on healthcare. You would have to know what the price per capita would be without universal care to understand the right number*****

Nonetheless, let's assume that is the right number. Yes, I am more than willing to pay what I pay directly through my healthcare premiums and indirectly through my taxes in order that every Canadian can enjoy the benefits of accessible, quality healthcare

Edited....****actually when I re-read and digest I get the point. Ignore the ****. I didn't want to simply edit it out.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

That article is misleading in my opinion. The calculation is based on how much Canada as a whole spends on healthcare. With or without universal healthcare every government must spend a certain amount on healthcare. You would have to know what the price per capita would be without universal care to understand the right number. Nonetheless, let's assume that is the right number. Yes, I am more than willing to pay what I pay directly through my healthcare premiums and indirectly through my taxes in order that every Canadian can enjoy the benefits of accessible, quality healthcare.

As shown in MY rebuttal, on a per capita basis, Americans pay more for health care, as any logical mind can figure out, when you pay an insurance company for your health care (they are in the business of making a profit) then you are going to pay more than if your health care is shared by the entire population.
Now some will argue, their personal insurance is less than what Canadians pay, but what kind of health insurance are they getting? That is why there are documented cases of people going broke in the U.S. to pay off their medical bills while we don't have such in Canada.

 

[Callen]

some will argue, their personal insurance is less than what Canadians pay, but what kind of health insurance are they getting

Not only that but those people would have to add on the amount they pay in taxes for the poor and those over 65 on Medicare. Plus it leaves a huge number of people without healthcare and there is a cost to be bourne for that too....and there is the component paid by employers and the cost to taxpayers to provide deluxe health insurance to all civil servants.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Your question is misleading. Every single UHC country in the world pays a fraction what we do per capita, and many rank higher in quality of care.

The actual question is: "Would you like to pay way less than you currently are for healthcare while getting full coverage for life for you, your family, and the rest of your countrymen?"

 

[phoenix2020]

The actual question is: "Would you like to pay way less than you currently are for healthcare while getting full coverage for life for you, your family, and the rest of your countrymen?"

The answer is… yes! Sign me up.

 

[swing_voter]

Your question is misleading. Every single UHC country in the world pays a fraction what we do per capita, and many rank higher in quality of care.

The actual question is: "Would you like to pay way less than you currently are for healthcare while getting full coverage for life for you, your family, and the rest of your countrymen?"

A lot of that is due to the last month of life where we try everything we can to extend a person's life. It can easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

In countries with social medicine, it's your duty to the community to forgo all that expensive treatment, to save the society money.

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[calamity]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


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lol...I pay close to $20K, and nobody has healthcare, at least not good healthcare.

 

[Callen]

In countries with social medicine, it's your duty to the community to forgo all that expensive treatment, to save the society money

What in heaven are you talking about? Examples?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

A lot of that is due to the last month of life where we try everything we can to extend a person's life. It can easily cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

In countries with social medicine, it's your duty to the community to forgo all that expensive treatment, to save the society money.

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That is total nonsense. You're trying to blame the ridiculous expense of our healthcare system on piss poor end of life care. In America before the ACA you could get turned down by your insurance for any reason, and they did.

 

[calamity]

What in heaven are you talking about? Examples?

Pulling crap out of ass is the Right Wing version of Debate.

 

[Helix]

Your question is misleading. Every single UHC country in the world pays a fraction what we do per capita, and many rank higher in quality of care.

The actual question is: "Would you like to pay way less than you currently are for healthcare while getting full coverage for life for you, your family, and the rest of your countrymen?"

/thread.

 

[Callen]

/thread

What does that mean?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


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That was our annual car insurance bill for a family of four drivers with four vehicles in California, two being a male and female child both under 21, for many years.
By contrast, our annual healthcare policy for ONE child, my son....was over $15,000 a year.

Now he is finally on Medicare. He's disabled.
I'd take the Canadian system in a heartbeat.

 

[j brown's body]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


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Sure. That's half of what the average American pays now.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What does that mean?

It means the same thing as "nuff said"....he's saying one could effectively END the thread, hence "/thread".

 

[calamity]

Sure. That's half of what the average American pays now.

It's probably closer to a third after we factor in employer contribution, deductibles, co-pay and max out of pocket expenses.

 

[VySky]

Nope

 

[KingLeo]

I pay more than that now once you factor in prescription costs, co-pays, and out of pocket expenses with an employer based system.

 

[Helix]

What does that mean?

It means that pretty much says it all, and there's little more add to it.

 

[Allan]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


.

To be accurate you have to convert CDN to USD. The actual cost then to Americans would be $4,560 per year, or about $380 per month.

 

[swing_voter]

To be accurate you have to convert CDN to USD. The actual cost then to Americans would be $4,560 per year, or about $380 per month.

That's a good point.

Do you know how much a Canadian who makes a $100K a year has to pay?

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[Slartibartfast]

How much does the 'average' Canadian pay in a year for public health care?

About $5,789 — but it depends on what you think 'average' means. What you’ll have more trouble doing is deciding whether that spending represents a good value

nationalpost.com

The average Canadian pays about $5,789 a year for health care. Only Canadian poor don't pay anything for free health care. The rich pay much, much more than $5,789 per year.


Would you be willing to pay $5,789 per year, about $500 a month so that every man, woman, and child has health care in America? A Canadian like system?


.

It would be about what I pay now for family coverage with my PPO

 

[VySky]

It would be about what I pay now for family coverage with my PPO

And the care degraded