Would you give up Gasohol to add 150 million tons of corn to the World food supply?

[coyote505]

In 2021, Ukraine exported enough grain to feed 400 million people. That won't be happening this year.

In 2021, the US harvested 384 million tons of corn. 40% of that, 150 million tons, went into ethanol for Gasohol (E10, E15). This is encouraged by Federal mandates and incentives. If these were eliminated, and consumers made the choice to use old fashioned straight gasoline, that corn would theoretically be available for human consumption. Would you favor doing this?

 

[coyote505]

Absolutely. Ethanol adds nothing to the efficiency of motor fuel, and uses cropland and water that could be used for food.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

In 2021, Ukraine exported enough grain to feed 400 million people. That won't be happening this year.

In 2021, the US harvested 384 million tons of corn. 40% of that, 150 million tons, went into ethanol for Gasohol (E10, E15). This is encouraged by Federal mandates and incentives. If these were eliminated, and consumers made the choice to use old fashioned straight gasoline, that corn would theoretically be available for human consumption. Would you favor doing this?

I don’t think it would be. Ethanol is produced from a different strain of corn that cannot be digested by humans

 

[coyote505]

I don’t think it would be. Ethanol is produced from a different strain of corn that cannot be digested by humans

According to the State of Nebraska, while most people don't eat field corn as corn on the cob, it is used as corn meal, corn flakes etc. for human consumption. I have eaten field corn on the cob. If picked fresh and eaten right away, it is delicious.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

According to the State of Nebraska, while most people don't eat field corn as corn on the cob, it is used as corn meal, corn flakes etc. for human consumption. I have eaten field corn on the cob. If picked fresh and eaten right away, it is delicious.

Almost no one eats corn as corn on the cob. It is indigestible to humans. That’s why you shit out the whole kernals.

Field corn is used to make animal feed. It is practically unfit for human consumption

 

[Lisa]

Absolutely. Ethanol adds nothing to the efficiency of motor fuel, and uses cropland and water that could be used for food.

Ethanol from corn was a corporate boondoggle.

 

[coyote505]

Almost no one eats corn as corn on the cob. It is indigestible to humans. That’s why you shit out the whole kernals.

Field corn is used to make animal feed. It is practically unfit for human consumption

Judging from your prejudice toward maize, you must be a Limey!

 

[lemmiwinx]

They feed corn to cattle and pigs to grow meat. Why not use it to feed your car too? If the government can tax it they will allow it.

 

[coyote505]

Ethanol from corn was a corporate boondoggle.

Someone in one of the motorist mags theorized that, if Vermont were first on the Presidential schedule, we would be running our cars on maple syrup.

 

[longview]

Judging from your prejudice toward maize, you must be a Limey!

Forget the fact that it was one of the core crops or all the indigenous peoples in the Americas.

 

[Lisa]

Someone in one of the motorist mags theorized that, if Vermont were first on the Presidential schedule, we would be running our cars on maple syrup.

The Case Against More Ethanol: It's Simply Bad for Environment

The revisionist effort to increase the percentage of ethanol blended with U.S. gasoline continues to ignore the major environmental impacts of growing corn for fuel and how it inevitably leads to higher prices for this staple food crop. It remains a bad idea whose time has passed.

e360.yale.edu

 

[iguanaman]

I don’t think it would be. Ethanol is produced from a different strain of corn that cannot be digested by humans

LOL What a crock. There is no strain of corn that cannot be digested and even if there were we could just stop planting it.
Ethanol in gasoline is a gift to the farm conglomerates and does little for the environment or energy independence. It is a method to keep corn prices up nothing more.

 

[Loulit01]

The Case Against More Ethanol: It's Simply Bad for Environment

The revisionist effort to increase the percentage of ethanol blended with U.S. gasoline continues to ignore the major environmental impacts of growing corn for fuel and how it inevitably leads to higher prices for this staple food crop. It remains a bad idea whose time has passed.

e360.yale.edu

We should all know this by now.

 

[Lisa]

We should all know this by now.

A decade later: Corn ethanol’s broken promises

Not only hasn’t ethanol improved our air quality, it actually may have made it worse.

thehill.com

 

[iguanaman]

Almost no one eats corn as corn on the cob. It is indigestible to humans. That’s why you shit out the whole kernals.

Field corn is used to make animal feed. It is practically unfit for human consumption

Again with the misinformation. You are a wealth of it. Field corn makes corn meal a staple in the diet of millions and with the addition of beans provides a complete protein that humans can live on. Do you know what a tortilla is? You obviously have no teeth either if you poop out whole kernels of corn. Get some dentures.

To put it simply, corn meal (cornmeal) is dried and ground corn. The typical corn used to make cornmeal is field corn, rather than our usual “sweetcorn” variety. However, this isn't necessarily always the case. The resulting “meal” varies in texture from fine to coarse.

https://www.alphafoodie.com/how-to-make-cornmeal/#:~:text=To put it simply, corn,texture from fine to coarse.

 

[longview]

Again with the misinformation. You are a wealth of it. Field corn makes corn meal a staple in the diet of millions and with the addition of beans provides a complete protein that humans can live on. Do you know what a tortilla is? You obviously have no teeth either if you poop out whole kernels of corn. Get some dentures.

To put it simply, corn meal (cornmeal) is dried and ground corn. The typical corn used to make cornmeal is field corn, rather than our usual “sweetcorn” variety. However, this isn't necessarily always the case. The resulting “meal” varies in texture from fine to coarse.

https://www.alphafoodie.com/how-to-make-cornmeal/#:~:text=To put it simply, corn,texture from fine to coarse.

People should really read some History.
Three Sisters

 

[EMNofSeattle]

LOL What a crock. There is no strain of corn that cannot be digested

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and even if there were we could just stop planting it.
Ethanol in gasoline is a gift to the farm

Which won’t grow in time to replace Ukraine’s output

conglomerates and does little for the environment or energy independence. It is a method to keep corn prices up nothing more.

It’s perfectly legitimate to wish to keep corn prices up. That is a purely political decision

 

[longview]

🙄

Which won’t grow in time to replace Ukraine’s output

It’s perfectly legitimate to wish to keep corn prices up. That is a purely political decision

Except when the price of corn almost doubled about 2007, it put millions of people into a food poverty situation.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Except when the price of corn almost doubled about 2007, it put millions of people into a food poverty situation.

The price of corn didn’t do that, NAFTA did.

 

[Court Jester]

Ethanol is as diabolical a human invention as pantyhose are. Everybody hates ethanol.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Ethanol is as diabolical a human invention as pantyhose are. Everybody hates ethanol.

I reject your communism

 

[longview]

The price of corn didn’t do that, NAFTA did.

Sorry the timing does not match up with the data.
Corn Prices - 59 Year Historical Chart
NAFTA was in 1994, while the Corn ethanol program started about 2006.
The price of core went back down after NAFTA, but not after we started using food for fuel.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Sorry the timing does not match up with the data.
Corn Prices - 59 Year Historical Chart
NAFTA was in 1994, while the Corn ethanol program started about 2006.

What NAFTA did was put small growers in Latin America out of business and made the people there dependent on American farms and so had no alternative when price went up.

The price of core went back down after NAFTA, but not after we started using food for fuel.
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[longview]

What NAFTA did was put small growers in Latin America out of business and made the people there dependent on American farms and so had no alternative when price went up.

Perhaps, but it not cause a nearly permanent increase in the price of corn.

 

[Gatsby]

Ethanol fuels aren't even environmentally friendly. We would be better off without them.