Worst Person of All Time

[GarzaUK]

Interesting the no-one has voted for Saddam Hussein, yet people were comparing him to Hitler on the run up to war.

And yeah Pol Pot was a nasty guy, he should definitely be up on the list. Like Saddam Hussein, Pot was supported by the US and probably UK.

 

[ludahai]

Interesting the no-one has voted for Saddam Hussein, yet people were comparing him to Hitler on the run up to war.

And yeah Pol Pot was a nasty guy, he should definitely be up on the list. Like Saddam Hussein, Pot was supported by the US and probably UK.

Actually, China supported Pol Pot. Then even invaded Viet Nam in 1979 as punishment for their invasion and unseating of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

 

[Comrade Brian]

Actually, China supported Pol Pot. Then even invaded Viet Nam in 1979 as punishment for their invasion and unseating of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

Yes but the US still supported the mass murderer, as opposition to N Vietnam, and China is capitalist.

 

[Fantasea]

I suppose for sheer numbers, you have to give the nod to Hitler. I believe he had some 3 million Jews murdered in concentration camps?

Next to Stalin, Hitler was a piker. Stalin's gulags accounted ffor many millions more that Hitler's concentration camps.

Give Bush a few more terms as president and maybe he can catch up? Over 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq...over 1600 of our own dead.

Your count of US dead is approximately correct. However, your estimate of Iraqi civilian dead is off by a power of 10. Also bear in mind that since the fall of Baghdad, it is the terrorists who are killing Iraqi civilians by the hundreds. http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

I can hear the screaming of the right wing zealots now, but the reason I mention Bush is because we don't know the full long range implications of what this man has done to our country.

He lied to take our nation to war, and has left a debt that could very well spell the end of the United States as we know it. It will take untold generations to pay off the debt this man has created.

Will our dollar collapse? Will the stock market crash? Will all the foreigners who own our U.S. stocks pull their money out because they fear the collapse of our economy?

Are we more hated by the rest of the world then before Bush took office?

That's a no-brainer, isn't it?

If, by no-brainer, you mean empty headed thinking, then I would agree with you. It is now, and always has been, the socialist-lib-dem way to chant about the "what ifs". The trouble with what ifs is that the overwhelming majority of them never come to pass. I'm sure that if you reviewed the predictions of the past five years, you'd be hard pressed to come up with many negative ones that actually came to pass.

Even a few of his fellow republicans are describing Bush as a stubborn man...It's the "I'm right, you're wrong," mentality and complete refusal to compromise that is so scary.

Thank God for giving the President the grit to resist those who want him to renege on his promises. That's what they can't understand. They're not accustomed to integrity. They don't know how to deal with it.[quoteThat's why those 14 Senators...who recently comprimised on the judicial/fillibuster nonsense...I think those 7 Republican Senators should have statues erected in their honor.

I agree. And to ensure a perfect likeness, each should be dipped into molten bronze and then set up on a pedestal upon which is engraved the single word, "FOOL".

 

[Hoot]

>Thank God for giving the President the grit to resist those who want him to renege on his promises. <Fantasea

I'm curious about this...exactly what promises do you believe Bush has kept?

 

[Fantasea]

>Thank God for giving the President the grit to resist those who want him to renege on his promises. <Fantasea

I'm curious about this...exactly what promises do you believe Bush has kept?

Did you notice a decrease in your federal income tax? Have you watched the increase in jobs? Did you expect the elections in Iraq to go so well? Are you beginning to see federal judges being appointed who will interpret existing law, rather than legislate new law from the bench? Are you seeing activity intended to shore up Social Security?

All GWB campaign promises.

 

[Hoot]

Did you notice a decrease in your federal income tax? Have you watched the increase in jobs? Did you expect the elections in Iraq to go so well? Are you beginning to see federal judges being appointed who will interpret existing law, rather than legislate new law from the bench? Are you seeing activity intended to shore up Social Security?

All GWB campaign promises.

There's no decrease in taxes when State and local taxes go up to make up for the cuts in funding from the Fed Gov. ( Unless, you're in the richest 1% of course?)

Increase in jobs? LOL! There are some comments that shouldn't be dignified with a response.

Yes...the elections in Iraq went very well, and we've now gone through the bloodiest 6 months after these elections in the history of the Iraq war.

As far as your federal judges...I can name many instances where republican appointed judges have legislated from the bench, or do they get to stay in your world?

Social Security? All we have to do is raise the cap from $90,000 to about $150,000, and S.S. is solvent for another 75 years. We don't have to destroy the system, which is exactly what Bush is proposing.

 

[TheBaldMan]

I am surprised Stalin only ranked 2nd. He and Communism are responsible for more deaths than all the other individuals combined.

 

[Comrade Brian]

Yes stalin did cause a lot of deaths, though most of it is exxaggerated

http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=28616

 

[Fantasea]

There's no decrease in taxes when State and local taxes go up to make up for the cuts in funding from the Fed Gov. ( Unless, you're in the richest 1% of course?)

Most of the state and local tax increases are the result of the inability of the officials to stand up to the demands of unions.

Increase in jobs? LOL! There are some comments that shouldn't be dignified with a response.

Maybe so. But this is not one of them. The regaining of jobs since the employment crash brought on by the aftermath of 9-11 has been outstanding.

Yes...the elections in Iraq went very well, and we've now gone through the bloodiest 6 months after these elections in the history of the Iraq war.

Hey, the bad guys are upset at the good things that have happened in Iraq. They're in the "do or die" mode. Perhaps twenty thousand among twenty-five million. It could be much worse, couldn't it. I wish we would crack down on the "friendly" governments that are supporting, supplying, financing, arming, and recruiting for the terrorists.

As far as your federal judges...I can name many instances where republican appointed judges have legislated from the bench, or do they get to stay in your world?

Wrongdoers in either party should get no stay. I can recall a few who, because the republicans impose no litmus test, turned out to be wolves in sheeps clothing. So, go ahead, name some of the many instances where republican appointed judges have legislated from the bench.

Social Security? All we have to do is raise the cap from $90,000 to about $150,000, and S.S. is solvent for another 75 years. We don't have to destroy the system, which is exactly what Bush is proposing.

'Atta boy, up the taxes on the guy who succeeds in making good. That's the only way the socialist-lib-dems know how to do business.

I like the idea of running social security like a 401K plan. You put your money into it. You own it. You can watch it grow. If you don't spend it all before you die, you can will it to your heirs. What could be better than that.

 

[Fantasea]

Yes stalin did cause a lot of deaths, though most of it is exxaggerated

Yeah, especially the part about the gulags.

:rofl

 

[walvaro]

Hitler, of course is the wrost, but all others, and G Bush, and other USA presidents were bad and ****ing persons..

 

[Squawker]

There aren't any US Presidents in the poll, so let's leave that for another day, and stick to the topic at hand please. If it will make you feel better the basement is available to spew all the foul, disgusting hate for America and our leaders, you wish to. I usually find debating fun, but attacking people just shows the mentality of the poster and to be honest with you, any dunce can do that. The level of discourse at DP is dropping rapidly.

 

[Soviet_Guy]

I never knew what the basement was for till now, I thank you.

 

[Squawker]

I never knew what the basement was for till now, I thank you.

You're welcome. What is said in the basement isn't seen by the general public, and it isn't normally moderated unless things get out of hand.

 

[geekgrrl]

As it says, please select and choose the Worst Person of All Time.

Sorry, but I think that Karl Rove will go down in history as the worst S.O.B. to date. As Bush's puppetmaster and master schemer for the Republican Party, he will nearly single-handedly be responsible for the political (and maybe economic) destruction of the world's greatest experiment in democracy, the United States of America. The one country in the world to actually seem to care about its "little people" is about to go up in flames, and we the "little people" are once again to be consigned to political and economic serfdom under Rove's newly-resurrected "Thousand-Year Reich".

Karl Rove didn't invent the magnet that drew the Christian Right to the GOP (it was most likely Newt Gingrich who was the true "inventor"), but he honed it and polished it and, finally, deployed it, with great success. His master achievement was to meld the business-interest GOP to American evangelical Christianity. Before he did this, the GOP was (and still is) the party of capitalist interests, the party of wealth and power, the party of the hoi polloi, to which but few could aspire. The "old" GOP made no bones about its loyalty to its capitalist contributors and the furthering of their business interests. However, since it appealed to so few voters, it was a loss leader at the polls for over 40 years, until the GOP, under Rove's leadership, joined forces with the leaders of the Evangelical movement under the aegis of such tax-exempt foundations as The Christian Coalition (Ralph Reed), Focus on the Family (James Dobson), and others, such as Pat Robertson, to congeal the political force of heretofore scattered evangelical congregations by claiming to support "Christian values" or "family values", and by using wedge issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, to further divide Americans from their neighbors. Divide and conquer. It's never failed as a tactic.

This sales job was irresistible to millions of faithful, well-meaning, but insufficiently sophisticated individuals, and evangelicals, who often occupy the bottom rungs of the socioeconomic ladder, were convinced by this coalition of the still-business-oriented GOP and the evangelical leaders, to vote against their own economic self-interest to support the interests of their capitalist co-partisans in the name of Jesus and "family values".

Those who say that Democrats will never match this performance (by Rove) are probably right. We are morally incapable of sinking low enough to persuade people to vote against their own interests. We're too damn honest. I guess that condemns us to the trash-heap of history. At least until people get tired of the con job they're being force-fed and the lie they're living at this moment in our history.

 

[Soviet_Guy]

the world's greatest experiment in democracy, the United States of America. The one country in the world to actually seem to care about its "little people" is about to go up in flames, and we the "little people"

Ahh, yeah, sure :roll: , whatever you say. :bs

 

[salmonistic]

I voted for Hitler - only because of my limited knowledge of history. Hilter seems - SEEMS - only because his history is familiar to me. WW2 was the single biggest event of all time, and its easy to draw the premise that Hitler caused that war. And we know of his hatred of anyone other than aryans....of course, Hitler did not have a copyright on that Hatred. But the case could also be made that we "caused" the war by not entering it in '38.

But its strange to dub Hitler the worst. In reading Ian Kershaw's books, it took a very strange system of circumstances for him to have ever been anything other than a bumbling post card artist and beer hall babbler. I'll not try to go into it here, but Kershaw's books are a fascinating read for anyone interested. If you do read them, I'd suggest that you read them in order - the one from his birth to 1936 first.

I recently read somewhere that there is no one in the world today named Hitler. That has to be by design.....

 

[Soviet_Guy]

That hilarious, you are king.

 

[salmonistic]

Are you allowed to call another post-er a bastard on this forum?

 

[Comrade Brian]

I voted for Stalin just because more people died under him than under Hitler.

Are you sure?

http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=28616

But you are right that many people died under him, so I think
Stalin=bad
Hitler=worse

 

[Stinger]

Gara says about Hitler >>Plus we got to see what happens when right-wing nationalism goes wrong!

Versus what the left-wing did under Stalin?

 

[Comrade Brian]

All of the figures that I've heard were about 50 million died under Stalin, while 15 million died under Hitler, as far as I know. I dunno, I don't spend large amounts of time trying to decide whether Hitler or Stalin is the worst person ever, once you get in the millions dead because of you, let's just say you've reached a pinnacle for elite horrible people.

Hitler only 15 million! :shock:

Guess who started WWII which left 50 million dead

That 50 million crap about stalin came from solzhenitsyn and a few others who were friendly to fascists.

 

[Gandhi>Bush]

You think that number is fabricated Comrade? I know it's just an estimate, but with what Stalin did with messing with the history books, etc., we find out more and more everday. I know many died in the Gulags, as well as the Ukranians that were starved death. The truth is no one knows any specific number.

 

[aquapub]

There is no way Hitler is worse than Stalin based on the numbers of Jews and others the two killed. Stalin killed several times as many people. I know every liberal voice from Harry Truman to the New York Times propagandized back in the day on behalf of Stalin, but he was, by far, the worst monster, despite what Democrats did to candy-coat him.