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WORSE:: Using illegal election software or stealing the documents that prove it was?

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apparentally California thinks that stealing the documents is worse than illegally conducting an election

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MORE EVIDENCE OF THE RIGHT-WING AGENDA'S ILLEGAL ACTIVITY

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/p...b22,0,33600.story?coll=la-news-politics-local

A word processor accused of stealing damaging documents about electronic voting machine manufacturer Diebold Election Systems was arraigned Tuesday on three felony counts.

Stephen Heller was charged in Los Angeles Superior Court with felony access to computer data, commercial burglary and receiving stolen property. He pleaded not guilty.

"It's a devastating allegation for a whistle-blower," said Blair Berk, Heller's attorney. "Certainly, someone who saw those documents could have reasonably believed that thousands of voters were going to be potentially disenfranchised in upcoming elections."

The charges arise from Heller's alleged disclosure two years ago of legal papers from the Los Angeles office of international law firm Jones Day, which represented Diebold at the time. Heller was under contract as a word processor at Jones Day.

The documents included legal memos from one Jones Day attorney to another regarding allegations by activists that Diebold had used uncertified voting systems in Alameda County elections beginning in 2002.

In the memos, a Jones Day attorney opined that using uncertified voting systems violated California election law and that if Diebold had employed an uncertified system, Alameda County could sue the company for breaching its $12.7-million contract.

The documents also revealed that Diebold's attorneys were exploring whether the California secretary of state had the authority to investigate the company for alleged election law violations.

The Oakland Tribune published the legal memos on its website in April 2004. By then, the issue of whether Diebold used uncertified systems was already receiving widespread attention, because many of its systems failed during the March 2004 primary. As a result, poll workers had to turn away some early voters in San Diego County, and Alameda County voters had to use paper ballots.

A subsequent report by the secretary of state's office found that Diebold had marketed and sold its systems before gaining federal qualification and had installed uncertified software on election machines in 17 counties.
 

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You really hate it when such evidence surfaces about conservatives huh?
 

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Cassapolis said:
So what I posted isn't news?
Is this another one of those "Bush stole the elections" threads?
 

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Is this another one of those "Bush stole the elections" threads?
We'll never know if the people who try to bring out evidence supporting that idea keep getting arrested or the like.
 

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You really hate it when such evidence surfaces about conservatives huh?
I think these accusations are rather absurd and belong in conspiracy theory forums.The democrats cried like punk *** sissys when Gore lost to bush and did everything they can to try to discredit Bush by claing election fraud.When John Benidict Arnold Kerry lost to Bush the punk *** sissies tried to discredit Bush by again claiming election fraud.Ever heard of the saying that if you cry wolf too many times no one will beleave you?
 

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We'll never know if the people who try to bring out evidence supporting that idea keep getting arrested or the like.
Getting arrested and getting sent to a nuthouse for medical treament are two different things.
 

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I think these accusations are rather absurd and belong in conspiracy theory forums.The democrats cried like punk *** sissys when Gore lost to bush and did everything they can to try to discredit Bush by claing election fraud.When John Benidict Arnold Kerry lost to Bush the punk *** sissies tried to discredit Bush by again claiming election fraud.Ever heard of the saying that if you cry wolf too many times no one will beleave you?
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Thank you for providing the mentality of those who oppose such whistle blowers.
 

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:spin:
Thank you for providing the mentality of those who oppose such whistle blowers.
These people are the Bush lied,Bush stole the elections,Bush started the war to help Cheney's buddies,This war is for oil,This war is part of some zionist plot,This war is to help Israel and the Bush started the Iraq war to finish his daddy's work type of people.All this is an attempt by the left to discredit Bush.

Whistleblowers?These are not whistleblowers,These are the people standin on the street corner preaching the end is near type people.
 

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These people are the Bush lied,Bush stole the elections,Bush started the war to help Cheney's buddies,This war is for oil,This war is part of some zionist plot,This war is to help Israel and the Bush started the Iraq war to finish his daddy's work type of people.All this is an attempt by the left to discredit Bush.

Whistleblowers?These are not whistleblowers,These are the people standin on the street corner preaching the end is near type people.
The article that I posted this thread about was about a whistle blower. Did you bother reading it or did you just assume, like most neo-cons, that since I'm not a Bush lovin' corporate baby like you that I only post lies? Wake up man, the republicans are the ones lying to you. We are trying to open your eyes. But I'm sure that instead of trying to see the light of day you'll just continue to blindly bash all those who don't agree with you. I hope you like Fascism because that's exactly where this administration is leading us.
 

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jamesrage said:
These people are the Bush lied,Bush stole the elections,Bush started the war to help Cheney's buddies,This war is for oil,This war is part of some zionist plot,This war is to help Israel and the Bush started the Iraq war to finish his daddy's work type of people.All this is an attempt by the left to discredit Bush.

Whistleblowers?These are not whistleblowers,These are the people standin on the street corner preaching the end is near type people.
Is it just me or is that guy holding a bible in his right hand?
Funny, I thought all the religious fanatical right supported bush and his outspoken sectarian ideologies.
How's that foot taste James?
 

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Was there illegal activity in the 2004 elections? Yes. Was that illegal activity enough to make the difference and give Bush a state that was not his to have? No.

Bush did win the election fair and square. The illegal activity does give some on the other side a platform to rant on, and that is too bad. If the illegal actiivity had never happened, Bush still would have won in 2004, so this whole so-called conspiracy is a non-issue.

What should happen? Those who participated in vote fraud should be locked up. Also, Tom Noe and others in Ohio who laundered money to the Republican Party should go to jail. This appears to be happening. Oh, and one more thing. You Democrats should concentrate on real issues. There are enough of those around, thanks to Bush, so you dont need to focus on what-if conspiracy theories. But something tells me that is what you will keep doing. No wonder you guys keep losing elections.
 

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Cassapolis said:
The article that I posted this thread about was about a whistle blower. Did you bother reading it or did you just assume, like most neo-cons, that since I'm not a Bush lovin' corporate baby like you that I only post lies? Wake up man, the republicans are the ones lying to you. We are trying to open your eyes. But I'm sure that instead of trying to see the light of day you'll just continue to blindly bash all those who don't agree with you. I hope you like Fascism because that's exactly where this administration is leading us.
When you all keep crying wolf you just make your party look worse and worse.

Do not mistake me for a Bush-bot.
Unlike you I do see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil.
I know we got career politicians in both offices who try to kiss the *** of the voters when elections come up and they will flip flop to do this.I give you an examples of politicians flip flopping.


Examples of republican flip flopping

http://lists.our.net/pipermail/quotes/2005/000373.html

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're
going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come
home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President ... is once again releasing American military might on
a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He
has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he
has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the
administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have
a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't
think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stor...sovo.democrats/

Democrats say GOP playing politics over Kosovo

April 29, 1999
Web posted at: 6:14 p.m. EDT (2214 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 29) -- Bruised after a House vote on a Democratic measure of support for the NATO air campaign in Kosovo unexpectedly failed Wednesday, House Democratic leaders Thursday accused Republicans of playing politics with international policy matters while the White House did its best to shrug off the congressional rebuke.

Some examples of democrat flip flopping

http://judgeroberts.com/epresskit//ginsburg.wmv




A democrat claiming to be for enforcing our immigration laws
http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...-advance08.html

Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano will kick-start her re-election campaign Monday by tackling illegal immigration with a sophisticated border radar system and additional staffing that could include stationing National Guard troops at the border.

During her fourth State of the State address, Napolitano's Mexican border security plan will likely call for using a new ground-based radar called "Smart Fence" to detect people trying to illegally cross the U.S.-Mexican border.

She also wants to hire more state Highway Patrol officers to fight crimes associated with illegal immigration. And she would like the National Guard to play a supporting role at the border, but only if the federal government pays the tab. Napolitano's initiatives on illegal immigration would cost an estimated $50 million to $100 million.


What she has done to prevent the curbing of illegal immigration..

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/74023.php

Mexican ID cards OK with governor

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=48017

Napolitano bludgeons
border-fence proposal

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoe...05/daily35.html

Napolitano continues to call for guest worker program

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=742940

Ariz. Governor Vetoes Language Proposal

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...16ballot16.html

The U.S. Department of Justice said Friday that Gov. Janet Napolitano erred when she vetoed a bill that would have prevented people from casting a provisional ballot at a polling place if they could not produce identification.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/50738.php

PHOENIX - Gov. Janet Napolitano refused Wednesday to formally proclaim voter approval of Proposition 200, a move that will further delay use of the initiative's voting provisions.
 

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Is it just me or is that guy holding a bible in his right hand?
Funny, I thought all the religious fanatical right supported bush and his outspoken sectarian ideologies.
How's that foot taste James?
Yeah I messed up in that picture.I should have put a burning flag in that hand.
 

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jamesrage said:
When you all keep crying wolf you just make your party look worse and worse.

Do not mistake me for a Bush-bot.
Unlike you I do see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil.
I know we got career politicians in both offices who try to kiss the *** of the voters when elections come up and they will flip flop to do this.I give you an examples of politicians flip flopping.


Have you read my profile? I'm not a Democrat though I do believe they are the lesser of two evils. I'm not sure what I am exactly but i figure that Socialist is the closest. I may be a Libertarian. And i'm glad that unlike me you DO see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil. Also I really don't want to bring up how easily the powers that be could have rigged the 2004 election.*cough* Ohio *cough* Diebold. *cough* "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." *cough*.


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
 

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Cassapolis said:
jamesrage said:
When you all keep crying wolf you just make your party look worse and worse.

Do not mistake me for a Bush-bot.
Unlike you I do see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil.
I know we got career politicians in both offices who try to kiss the *** of the voters when elections come up and they will flip flop to do this.I give you an examples of politicians flip flopping.


Have you read my profile? I'm not a Democrat though I do believe they are the lesser of two evils. I'm not sure what I am exactly but i figure that Socialist is the closest. I may be a Libertarian. And i'm glad that unlike me you DO see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil. Also I really don't want to bring up how easily the powers that be could have rigged the 2004 election.*cough* Ohio *cough* Diebold. *cough* "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." *cough*.
Sad how the choice seems always between more evil? or most evil?
 

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Have you read my profile? I'm not a Democrat though I do believe they are the lesser of two evils. I'm not sure what I am exactly but i figure that Socialist is the closest. I may be a Libertarian. And i'm glad that unlike me you DO see one party as being solely good and the other totally evil. Also I really don't want to bring up how easily the powers that be could have rigged the 2004 election.*cough* Ohio *cough* Diebold. *cough* "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." *cough*.


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm

Socialist,liberal same thing practically.It seems if some crack pot comes out with accusations to smear Bush you all are too quick jump on the Bush-basher express.I bet someone could make up a story about Bush snatching a candy bar away from a child and eating it right in front of the child or something else just as absurd and every Bush-hater our there would beleave it to be true.
 

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How about a story about Bush stealing billions of dollars from the american people?
 

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Cassapolis said:
How about a story about Bush stealing billions of dollars from the american people?

How about the

"this Iraq war is part of some zionist conspiracy"

" this war is for oil",

"this war is to help Cheney's buddeis in Haliburton get rich",

"this war is for the expansion of the american empire",

"the this war is to help Israel",

"this war is to finish Bush SR's. work"?.

"This war is part of some neocon agenda"
 

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They should have modeled Sandy Berger and stuffed the stuff down their pants.........he only got slapped on the wrist.
 

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Socialist,liberal same thing practically.It seems if some crack pot comes out with accusations to smear Bush you all are too quick jump on the Bush-basher express.I bet someone could make up a story about Bush snatching a candy bar away from a child and eating it right in front of the child or something else just as absurd and every Bush-hater our there would beleave it to be true.
You're right, conservative, facist? Same thing practically.
Lame argument.
 

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jamesrage said:
How about the

"this Iraq war is part of some zionist conspiracy"

" this war is for oil",

"this war is to help Cheney's buddeis in Haliburton get rich",

"this war is for the expansion of the american empire",

"the this war is to help Israel",

"this war is to finish Bush SR's. work"?.

"This war is part of some neocon agenda"
How about writing something that is actually related to the topic of the thread?
 

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jamesrage said:
Is this another one of those "Bush stole the elections" threads?
Didn't California go for both Gore and Kerry in the elections? Why would this even be an issue then against Bush? :confused:
 

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jfuh said:
How about writing something that is actually related to the topic of the thread?
It relates to the topic of this thread because of the absurd ways the left tries to discredit the Bush Administration with horse **** accusations.Election fraud is one of those horse **** accusations the left tries to use in order to try to discredit the Bush administration.If you all are going to try to discredit the Bush Administration, try something real.Like the fact it is hypocritical to do the wire taps and the patriot act to fight the war on terror when the borders are wide open.How can anyone say they are fighting a war on terror when they are leaving our borders wide open.A Burgler alarm is useless if you are going to leave the doors and the windows to the house wide open.
 
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