World reacts with surprise, worry to 1st Biden-Trump debate

[Big Eye]

Funny how you ignored the "New York real estate developer" part of my sentence. Trump supporters are fascinating.

I wouldn't call myself a supporter, just a distant admirer of a man who makes the establishment shit itself.

 

[Big Eye]

The rest of the first world has known that the plane was being piloted by a moron for some time now.

Bit of a sweeping statement that...how do you know what the rest of the world thinks....or do you just mean the media political class?

 

[lwf]

The establishment are usually the minority...they just dominate certain areas of life...education, media, politics ...that sort of shit.

Then the MSM cannot be the establishment. The sole goal of the MSM in America is profit. The only way to maximize profit is to cater your content to the majority. If it leans left, then it's because the majority of Americans lean left.

In America, conservative Republicans are the minority with their own smaller subset of media that caters directly to them. They also control the levers of government.

 

[Chillfolks]

Until then let's do better in 2020.

We can if enough people vote for Jorgensen, but if people choose between dumb and dumber 2024 is the best choice we have to do better.

 

[Casper]

We can if enough people vote for Jorgensen, but if people choose between dumb and dumber 2024 is the best choice we have to do better.

It would be great if there were a viable third party candidate, but this year is too important to throw away any votes.

 

[Big Eye]

Then the MSM cannot be the establishment. The sole goal of the MSM in America is profit. The only way to maximize profit is to cater your content to the majority. If it leans left, then it's because the majority of Americans lean left.

In America, conservative Republicans are the minority with their own smaller subset of media that caters directly to them. They also control the levers of government.

Bullshit...the MSM leads public opinion, it does not reflect it. As an example, in the U.K. the BBC is the dominant media outlet and it pushes a progressive ideology against a basically conservative population. Same goes for the other, profit motivated, media outlets too. It all comes down to who owns the media...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

https://apnews.com/article/election...japanese-yen-68ee6e1d6d3ae065afb37968fca52f6b</div>

GENEVA (AP) — Head-scratching perplexity about U.S. democracy in Australia and Denmark. Disdain for “chaos” and “insults” between America’s presidential contenders in a Chinese Communist Party tabloid. A European market watcher’s warning of a “credibility deficit” in U.S. politics amid fears that a long tradition of peaceful, amicable transfer of power could be in jeopardy.

Many across the world looked on largely aghast as the first debate between President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden devolved into a verbal slugfest short on substance but heavy with implications for America’s international image.

Emotions and adjectives ran the gamut but few observers appeared to come away thinking that the last remaining superpower could rise above its bitter partisan rancor as the election looms barely a month away.
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All democracies have failed & degenerated into totalitarian states: Greece, Rome & so on. We appear to be heading to the same end.

Find by me, as long as the right side wins.

 

[aociswundumho]

Perhaps it takes a fellow leftist/progressive leader to bring them under control.

Wait, is Joe Biden now considered to be a progressive?

Is this the same Joe Biden who trashed Bernie and the far left and the green new deal last night?

 

[Chillfolks]

It would be great if there were a viable third party candidate, but this year is too important to throw away any votes.

We disagree on what throwing away a Vote means. To me throwing away a vote is voting for a candidate you wouldn’t want to see as president simply to beat the other candidate instead of voting on principles for a candidate you think has something positive to offer the country.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

https://apnews.com/article/election...japanese-yen-68ee6e1d6d3ae065afb37968fca52f6b</div>

GENEVA (AP) — Head-scratching perplexity about U.S. democracy in Australia and Denmark. Disdain for “chaos” and “insults” between America’s presidential contenders in a Chinese Communist Party tabloid. A European market watcher’s warning of a “credibility deficit” in U.S. politics amid fears that a long tradition of peaceful, amicable transfer of power could be in jeopardy.

Many across the world looked on largely aghast as the first debate between President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden devolved into a verbal slugfest short on substance but heavy with implications for America’s international image.

Emotions and adjectives ran the gamut but few observers appeared to come away thinking that the last remaining superpower could rise above its bitter partisan rancor as the election looms barely a month away.
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All democracies have failed & degenerated into totalitarian states: Greece, Rome & so on. We appear to be heading to the same end.

I actually think a disputed transfer of power will be good for America in the long term. Because if our election result is seriously disputed and people in the police and military start taking sides and it looks like it’ll go to gun shots, then our credit rating will be downgraded to junk status. With our credit rating and junk status we couldn’t sell our debt to anyone and country is holding our debt will sell it like crazy which will cause a massive economic inclusion in this country and finally we will have no choice but to get rid of Social Security and balance the budget

 

[Helix]

Bit of a sweeping statement that...how do you know what the rest of the world thinks....or do you just mean the media political class?

It's kind of obvious. More than half of our own country knows that, too.

 

[noonereal]

World reacts with surprise, worry to 1st Biden-Trump debate

I posted that is how the world would react last night in this forum.

I also said Putin was again celebrating.

 

[lwf]

Bullshit...the MSM leads public opinion, it does not reflect it. As an example, in the U.K. the BBC is the dominant media outlet and it pushes a progressive ideology against a basically conservative population. Same goes for the other, profit motivated, media outlets too. It all comes down to who owns the media...

This is nothing more than a conservative conspiracy theory with no merit. Outside of niche cable news networks, the MSM in general reflects public opinion. The MSM is not some monolithic entity and ownership is irrelevant. It is a large group of outlets all competing for viewership because more viewers means more $. There is no mechanism for it to determine public opinion. Programming reflects what gets the most viewers because the goal is profits.

The MSM is generally center and represents Americans at large. It only appears to lean left because right leaning conservatives have been declining for decades and American "center" is further left than it used to be.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

This is nothing more than a conservative conspiracy theory with no merit. Outside of niche cable news networks, the MSM in general reflects public opinion. The MSM is not some monolithic entity and ownership is irrelevant. It is a large group of outlets all competing for viewership because more viewers means more $. There is no mechanism for it to determine public opinion. Programming reflects what gets the most viewers because the goal is profits.

The MSM is generally center and represents Americans at large. It only appears to lean left because right leaning conservatives have been declining for decades and American "center" is further left than it used to be.

No, none of that is true.

The left leaning outlets have ratings in the basement. It turns out the globalists have plenty of money to finance propoaganda networks, the views of the corporate media do not match the center of American politics

 

[noonereal]

No, none of that is true.

The left leaning outlets have ratings in the basement. It turns out the globalists have plenty of money to finance propoaganda networks, the views of the corporate media do not match the center of American politics

Sounds to me liek Putin is winning with teh TRumpets.

 

[poweRob]

Not just in China.... Last night America showed its ass to the entire world.

And our ass is orange.

 

[poweRob]

I think the establishment can be defined as that which dominates the media...so no mate.

Fox News brags about how they are #1 in news media ratings so... there ya go. Mate.

 

[Juks]

I think the establishment can be defined as that which dominates the media...so no mate.

Come on...Trump isn't dominating IN media then?

 

[Juks]

Only a leftist would define the establishment by wealth alone. I could win the lottery tomorrow ...would that automatically make me part of the establishment ?

Trump don't have any wealth, haven't you heard? He is over 400 millions in hock

 

[hindsight]

I wouldn't call myself a supporter, just a distant admirer of a man who makes the establishment shit itself.

Like I said, Trump supporters are fascinating.

 

[RealityNow]

Thank Goodness... Biden, represented America with Dignity and Did Not dive into the depth of the Evil Pit Trump came from and remains seated within. (Although we already knew Biden has Dignity, Good Character and Integrity as a Man, and has the same Value Concerns of America.

Trump was "again" a Raving Lunatic, and Woodward's Book Title had it correct: "Rage", and All the other writers have laid it out, over and over and over.... (the cult group simply ignore the truth's even when they see it, hear and read it).... It's as sick as the people that backed the Confederacy, and as pathetic as Jefferson Davis and with the same vile as the KKK.... This is a conglomeration of Evilness, that now people can see "exactly what and who has been the damaging force in America for the 150+ yrs Since The Civil War.

This collections of Confederate Sympathizers and their Variety of Race Hater Groups that Cling to a Draft Dodging Family, who is a Mob Network, Wrapped in Seditious Mentality driven by a lust for money that feeds Treasonous Motivations, such as what we have with Trump and the complete network of Right Wing Republican Conservatives and the various Right Learning offshoots who call themselves, Right Leaning Centrist, Right Leaning Libertarians, and Right Leaning Independents and the vile promoters that have gravitated to Right Wing Confederacy Agenda like flies to a pile of Hyaena Manure.

Trump was "again" demonstrated "Before The Entire World" that he is an Evil Raving Lunatic​

The Bible already told of the evilness of Pride...
"So The "Proud Boys" were born of evil and live in disgrace"... as Children of The Devil

The Bible helps us identify them!!!! - they are themselves boastful of their pride filled evilness.

Proverbs 11:2
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:5
Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.

Galatians 6:3
For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

Proverbs 21:4
Haughty eyes and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, are sin.
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Proverbs 21:24
“Scoffer” is the name of the arrogant, haughty man who acts with arrogant pride.

Psalm 10:2
In arrogance the wicked hotly pursue the poor; let them be caught in the schemes that they have devised.

This is Trump's motivation for pursuing the poor and uneducated, for the sole sake to entangle them in his web of evil

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[lwf]

No, none of that is true.

The left leaning outlets have ratings in the basement. It turns out the globalists have plenty of money to finance propoaganda networks, the views of the corporate media do not match the center of American politics

They do represent the views of America. That's what makes it mainstream.

 

[The Mark]

https://apnews.com/article/election...japanese-yen-68ee6e1d6d3ae065afb37968fca52f6b</div>

GENEVA (AP) — Head-scratching perplexity about U.S. democracy in Australia and Denmark. Disdain for “chaos” and “insults” between America’s presidential contenders in a Chinese Communist Party tabloid. A European market watcher’s warning of a “credibility deficit” in U.S. politics amid fears that a long tradition of peaceful, amicable transfer of power could be in jeopardy.

Many across the world looked on largely aghast as the first debate between President Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Joe Biden devolved into a verbal slugfest short on substance but heavy with implications for America’s international image.

Emotions and adjectives ran the gamut but few observers appeared to come away thinking that the last remaining superpower could rise above its bitter partisan rancor as the election looms barely a month away.
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All democracies have failed & degenerated into totalitarian states: Greece, Rome & so on. We appear to be heading to the same end.

I think an uncomfortable percentage of US Citizens were also surprised by Trump's actions in last night's debate.

But personally, I only saw him do what I expected.