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Woodward book: Trump says he knew coronavirus was ‘deadly’ and worse than the flu while intentionall

Aunt Antifa said:
If the context sounds as bad as..HAHAHAH WHO AM I KIDDING. Of course he said it. Of course.

He will be the first potus who might flee prior to the election.
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It would be interesting to hear the complete interview rather than just one minute excerpts here and there.

I'll also lay this out - here is a CDC paper that, in part, discussed COVID as they knew it between Dec 29th and Feb 11th, roughly the time of the phone call everyone is discussing - COVID-19 Overview and Infection Prevention and Control Priorities in non-US Healthcare Settings | CDC

This is an excerpt from the report -
Illness Severity 5,6,7

Despite the important concerns about case fatality rates, most COVID-19 illnesses are – and we expect will continue to be – mild, and most patients will recover spontaneously with some supportive care, especially children and young adults. Data from several countries suggest that 14%-19% are hospitalized and 3%-5% will need intense care unit admission.

The first largest description of patients with COVID-19 came from China, where the outbreak of COVID-19 started, and is described in detail below. Among the 44,672 confirmed COVID-19 cases reported from December 31, 2019 through February 11, 2020, the clinical presentation was as follow:

Mild (non-pneumonia and mild pneumonia cases) represented 80.9% of confirmed patients with COVID-19 in China.

NOTE: These cases included a large spectrum of illnesses including but not limited to patients having fever, cough, chest pain, nausea, and body pain. Severe (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ≥ 30/min, blood O2 sat ≤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio <300, lung infiltrates >50% within 24–48 hours) represented 13.8% of confirmed patients with COVID-19 in China.

Critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction or failure, death) represented 4.7% of confirmed patients with COVID-19 in China. 1,023 (49%) deaths were reported among the 2,087 critically ill patients.
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It says pretty much the same thing Trump said. From the beginning Trump has focused on the "most cases will be mild and resolve on their own" end of things instead of the "a small percentage of people will die" part. That isn't misinformation and it isn't minimizing anything. He had plenty of people out there around the world and in the US screaming about how we were all going to die. He was simply trying to balance the information flow and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump truly tests my position against the death penalty. But sticking with my current principles, the Federal sentence for manslaughter is "not more than 15 years" under 18 U.S. Code § 1112. Mansalughter. For each death to date, trump would go away for 2,359,822 years (each death is one count of manslaughter).
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If we had a legit justice system the correct charge is 2nd degree murder.
 
Lutherf said:
It would be interesting to hear the complete interview rather than just one minute excerpts here and there.

I'll also lay this out - here is a CDC paper that, in part, discussed COVID as they knew it between Dec 29th and Feb 11th, roughly the time of the phone call everyone is discussing - COVID-19 Overview and Infection Prevention and Control Priorities in non-US Healthcare Settings | CDC

This is an excerpt from the report -


It says pretty much the same thing Trump said. From the beginning Trump has focused on the "most cases will be mild and resolve on their own" end of things instead of the "a small percentage of people will die" part. That isn't misinformation and it isn't minimizing anything. He had plenty of people out there around the world and in the US screaming about how we were all going to die. He was simply trying to balance the information flow and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
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He told Woodward it was 5x deadlier than the flu, it affected more than seniors, and it was airborn.

And then he held rallies.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
If we had a legit justice system the correct charge is 2nd degree murder.
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Proving intent is hard. Negligent homicide is more likely because it's obvious he doesn't care about anybody, not so easy to prove he wanted to murder people on purpose.
 
Cardinal said:
Proving intent is hard. Negligent homicide is more likely because it's obvious he doesn't care about anybody, not so easy to prove he wanted to murder people on purpose.
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Do you think we *aren’t* going to find out that those convos involving Kushner insisting covid spreading in blue states was good for them are documented and will become more of a thing as we dig into this?
 
OrphanSlug said:
Very true, all we can hope for is independents and undecideds realizing how awful President OrangeGlow really is.
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Why does this make him more "awful?"
 
Cardinal said:
Proving intent is hard. Negligent homicide is more likely because it's obvious he doesn't care about anybody, not so easy to prove he wanted to murder people on purpose.
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Depends which state(s) you're trying him in. In Arizona, you just have to demonstrate that people died because of actions he took that he knew could get people dead, and they did in fact die.

That's all that is required.

Arizona Second-Degree Murder Law - FindLaw
 
Aunt Antifa said:
Do you think we *aren’t* going to find out that those convos involving Kushner insisting covid spreading in blue states was good for them are documented and will become more of a thing as we dig into this?
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Nearly everybody I follow on Twitter is a legal professional in one way or another, many of them current or ex Federal prosecutors. One thing I learned is that if you have a mountain of charges, you don't argue all of them. Rather, you push the charges that you know damn well you'll win on.

Trust me, I'm well aware of the incident you're referring to. I started a thread laying out the specific evidence for why it's true that the incident happened. And yes, that would be exhibit A for demonstrating mens rea. I just think that if you're arguing this in court and want to make a case that you know is going to stick, negligent manslaughter is the one that'll do it.

And regardless, I think 2 million years in prison for him and all his co-conspirators gets the job done.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
He told Woodward it was 5x deadlier than the flu, it affected more than seniors, and it was airborn.

And then he held rallies.
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Back in January and February the Democrats were having their primary debates too. While I'm quite sure that they'd have completely understood if Trump took the entirely unconstitutional step of prohibiting all public gatherings there may have been a few people that complained about stuff like first Amendment rights, 10th Amendment rights, etc.
 
Rexedgar said:
Why did Trump give Woodward this kind of access, hubris?

What’s the thought process here?
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He is a very stupid person, but compared to his cult, he is Einstein.
 
Luce said:
Depends which state(s) you're trying him in. In Arizona, you just have to demonstrate that people died because of actions he took that he knew could get people dead, and they did in fact die.

That's all that is required.

Arizona Second-Degree Murder Law - FindLaw
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I'm working with the Federal statute. I don't know how you'd have a trial where all fifty states are prosecuting him simultaneously.

18 U.S. Code SS 1112 - Manslaughter | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
Cardinal said:
Nearly everybody I follow on Twitter is a legal professional in one way or another, many of them current or ex Federal prosecutors. One thing I learned is that if you have a mountain of charges, you don't argue all of them. Rather, you push the charges that you know damn well you'll win on.
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On the other hand, sometimes it's better to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks, then plea bargain for what you really wanted. Here, they tend to pile the charges on and then back off as appropriate.
 
Rexedgar said:
Why did Trump give Woodward this kind of access, hubris?

What’s the thought process here?
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Regarding the coronavirus, notice the dates of the claims.


At the time, Trump thought that the US could get away with this virus without suffering dozens (and soon hundreds) of thousands of deaths in the same way the US got away with other deadly viruses under president Obama. With that in mind, Trump felt at ease to say that his objective was to downplay the virus threat in order to avoid the spread of panic (including in financial markets). Unfortunately for Trump, he did not anticipate that the US willl eventually be one of the hardest hit countries in the world (today or by tomorrow the US will reach the death rate of Italy). So now, the almost 200,000 deaths make Trump's comments in the interviews in February and in the first half of March appear as the words of a totally incompetant leader who failed to prepare his country for the fight against the pandemic and who chose (as usual) to lie to the American people.
 
jakiejakester said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...68fe3c-efd2-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html

On tape in Trump's words:
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democrats are terrorists.

From the panic porn surrounding Wuhan virus to the 100 nights of Kristalnacht by the ANTIFA Brown Shirts to the racist violence of the BLM Klan, democrats seek to spread fear in hopes of paralyzing the nation, destroying the the economy, American culture, and the Constitution; all so that democrats can establish a Marxist authoritarian system.

Now Bob Woodward is an effing liar - there is no one on any side who is unaware of what low ethical standards he displays, a demagogue without a shred of integrity. This is to say that nothing from Woodward should be believed without several corroborating sources (not "unnamed" as is so common for the little Goebbels.) Therefore the latest slander and libel are of little interest to anyone by Marxist sycophants who already live to hate Trump.

That said, IF Trump had said he didn't want to panic people, that would actually be a positive. democrats are terrorists, they seek to create panic. But decent folk grasp that panic is more destructive than the Wuhan virus itself. But democrats SEEK destruction of America...

Since Woodward claims Trump said it, I assume it to be a lie. If it were not a lie, it wouldn't be a problem.
 
Lutherf said:
Back in January and February the Democrats were having their primary debates too. While I'm quite sure that they'd have completely understood if Trump took the entirely unconstitutional step of prohibiting all public gatherings there may have been a few people that complained about stuff like first Amendment rights, 10th Amendment rights, etc.
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All he had to do was give a little direction. Direct orders were not possible, but many of his followers would have listened to him if he counseled a bit of caution.
 
Aunt Antifa said:
He told Woodward it was 5x deadlier than the flu, it affected more than seniors, and it was airborn.

And then he held rallies.
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It's a Covid virus. The base virus is what causes the common cold. We already knew that Covid viruses are candidates for droplet transmission. Again, expressing the part of the scenario that everyone else was ignoring isn't misinformation. It's filling in the blanks.
 
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