Woman, Serves no purpose without MAN

[shuamort]

I thought that this article from The Smoking Gun belongs here. Follow the link and check out the document.

FEBRUARY 17--This country, as you know, is filled with the deranged. And then there's Travis Frey, a 33-year-old Iowa man who is facing charges that he tried to kidnap his own wife (not to mention a separate child pornography rap). Frey, prosecutors contend, apparently is a rather demanding guy. In fact, he actually drew up a bizarre four-page marriage document--a "Contract of Wifely Expectations"--that sought to establish guidelines for his spouse in terms of hygiene, clothing, and sexual activities. In return for fulfilling certain requirements, Frey (pictured right) offered "Good Behavior Days," or GBDs. Each GBD, Frey wrote, could be redeemed by his wife to "get out of doing the things" he requested daily. A copy of the proposed contract, which Frey's wife never signed and later provided to cops, can be found below. While we normally point out the highlights of most documents, there are so many in this demented, and very graphic, contract, we really can't do it justice. So set aside ten minutes--and prepare to be repulsed. (4 pages)

 

[Keeper of the Phoenix]

[Q]by a man who doesn't need to beat her to keep her in line. [Q]

I assure you, if he ever even so much as raised a hand to me, his life would be over as he knows it. Beatings have no base on my beliefs.

My beliefs come from watching couples and experiencing marriage.

If you can, without getting angry, please explain how my opinion is disrespectful to women?

I in no way stated that women should be nothing but a wife and mother. I did not imply that women are, or should, be uneducated, uninvolved in society, or
silent.

Women are intended to be a huge part of life. We are supposed to be a supporting part of a relationship. Our husbands are supposed to come first and formost.Even before the children. When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right. Sure there are plenty of us who choose to be concerned along with him, but it's a choice, not a necessity.

The comments about the Constitution are really ridiculous. I, as any responsible American should be, have been voting since I was of legal age. I have enjoyed the freedoms of being an American and I fully believe that all women have the right to enjoy those same freedoms.

What saddens me is a women who constantly complains about her husband. How he doesn't do things around the house, like the dishes or the laundry. How he never cooks or cleans. That's our job. Not his. Yeah sometimes we need help, but if help is asked for, I've never been denied. I don't nag or harp, I simply ask.

One small great example of how women have "taught" men to be other than what they should be is the women who are offended or mad when a man opens the door for her. It is a matter of social politeness for the man to open the door and proceed her through the door. But I have heard and seen women be extremely impolite to a man for doing just that.

Now, in today's society, especially in the north, I'm surprised when a man opens the door for me. And I assure that the next man who lets the door slam in my face is gonna feel me. I refuse to be disrespected in that manner.

I am a woman. I expect to be treated as such. I am strong, but not overbearing. I am perfectly capable of doing traditional "manly" things, working on the car (I still do my own breaks, as I'm weird about someone else being responsible for my car's ability to stop, however that's the only thing I do unless I am helping my father), overall upkeep of the household, ie plumbing, electrical, painting, flooring etc. But why should I have to I don't. And I wish more women could see the distinction.

Let a man be a man. Not what we as women want a man to be. We are distinctly different creatures, intended to compliment each other. Not become the same. Men are evolving into beings they were never intended to be. And we as women are the catalyst by the way we treat them.

In regards to the necessity for two income homes because of the cost of living... It only costs that much because of the possessions possessed. People in America are grasping for the brass ring at the cost of inner peace.

Talloulou, It's nice to know that there are others out there who are willing to look at the male/female dynamic in a light other than the one society shoves down our throat.

 

[Stace]

I thought that this article from The Smoking Gun belongs here. Follow the link and check out the document.

Haha, I saw that earlier today!! I have an online journal and a friend of mine on the site posted that link.....I sat there in shock for a good five minutes.

 

[RightinNYC]

I thought that this article from The Smoking Gun belongs here. Follow the link and check out the document.

Say what you will about the man, he has good taste in fonts.

 

[Keeper of the Phoenix]

I thought that this article from The Smoking Gun belongs here. Follow the link and check out the document.

OMG I don't know if I should laugh or cry. I definately think that more of that long skirt only for church wearin' should be goin' on. That dude has some serious control issues.

 

[RightinNYC]

Women are intended to be a huge part of life. We are supposed to be a supporting part of a relationship. Our husbands are supposed to come first and formost.

You're not "supposed" to do anything. If you choose to take that role, by all means more power to you. It's only a problem when you start making the claim that that's how things are "supposed" to be. It's just ridiculous.

Even before the children

My parents raised me telling me that either one would die for my sister or I. That's how I intend on raising my children.

When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right. Sure there are plenty of us who choose to be concerned along with him, but it's a choice, not a necessity.

So what happens if your man leaves you, or cheats on you, or dies? I'm not referring to you specifically, but for someone who follows that mentality, what happens to that woman in that case? She's left high and dry, with no idea how to do anything and no control over even her own life after spending her entire adult life thinking "Oh, its okay. No reason to learn how to do anything, my man will do it."

What saddens me is a women who constantly complains about her husband. How he doesn't do things around the house, like the dishes or the laundry. How he never cooks or cleans. That's our job. Not his.

Says you.

 

[talloulou]

Some women don't have the luxury of staying home these days though....cost of living is higher, and people aren't getting paid as much, especially those that aren't able to, or choose not to, attend college.

I agree but the thing that stinks about the situation is that now both spouses are working and American families are MORE in debt than they were when only one spouse worked. I wonder what would happen if more women chose to stay home with their kids? Would there be more jobs available for those who needed to work and would they then get paid more since there would be less human resources to choose from? Maybe...but then again maybe not. But the kids would be better off.

I do realize this option isn't currently available to everyone but I do think more people could do it if they really took a look at their priorities and figured out what they need and don't need. Do you need two cars, a huge house, ect....? Just thoughts.

You would think that more sensitive = committed and loving, wouldn't you? *shrug* I don't think women today are rebelling against family life, they are just choosing to either delay it or expand the "traditional" definition.

If you ask most public school teachers.."What is the biggest problem you face?" Many will reply that the kids aren't getting what they need at home and teachers are expected to do so much more than teach reading, writing, and math. When parents can stay home with their kids and help out at school the kids really benefit. I do believe it's possible you could work and raise your kids well but it's just harder.

I would definitely disagree with that. Sure, my brother and I had a stepdad, but other than beating the crap out of us every day, he didn't have much to do with our actual upbringing, so we were essentially raised by our mom.....and my brother is one of the manliest men you could ever meet.

That's great if your definition of being a good manly man and mine are the same. Some people can do well no matter what their situation. Others benefit when their environment is better. I don't just blame women for the destruction of marriage. Even if a woman divorces you, if you are a REAL man you will still stay involved with your kids and ensure that they are raised right. However it is much easier to do this when you share their home. And fathers are important to daughters to. It is from the strong love of a good father that woman learn how they should expect to be treated by the opposite sex.

Also many step-parents are great and can do as well a job as if they were the biological parent and in some cases much better. However it is harder. They have to build a bond without the aid of the bond being natural.

Very true.....but even just taking care of the house and kids is a lot of work, and many men still aren't very involved in that aspect of things. And when you have a family that relies on having two incomes to make ends meet....well, it adds up.

I agree, men need to do their part. And women need to choose their men wisely. I can only imagine how hard it would be if I had to work. Schools would be calling my job, I'd have to take off or find alternate care when school is closed or the kids are sick, the house would be more of a mess than it is now, and getting dinner on the table would be stressful. I see alot of couples who have more "material" things than I do but the lives are soooo stressful and much of it is stress of their own creation. We don't always NEED the things we think we need.

Single moms can be just as involved in their child's life as a married mother.

Yes but she has to work much harder! Being a stay at home mom is one of the hardest jobs I've ever done. I can only imagine what working moms are going through.

But married mothers (or mothers with the dad still around, since I know not all people choose to get married these days) are also just as capable of leaving their child's upbringing to the schools and care providers. It's a two way street.

Of course! I agree.

 

[talloulou]

[Q]

Women are intended to be a huge part of life. We are supposed to be a supporting part of a relationship. Our husbands are supposed to come first and formost.Even before the children. When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right.

I don't know if I'd say I put my husband first. What I can say is that I put my family first and we are all a team. I by no means treat my husband like his balls belong to me. Our respect of one another is a two way street. He knows that he can fully concentrate on work and making money and I will take care of everything at home. Since he knows everything at home is okay his mind is free to focus on doing great at work, getting ahead, and being a great provider. I trust him completely, not cause I'm supposed to, but because he deserves it and he has earned it.

There are alot of women out there who shouldn't be trusting there husband 'cause their husband is a complete horse's ***. But again, you have to choose the right man to father your children and be your husband!

 

[teacher]

:roll:

You said you didn't want links in the original posts, you said you just wanted to talk. I have lots of things to post on the facts...but you said you didn't want to do that.

I said don't post links. Anyone can do that. I said put it into your own words. I said I have quite a lot allready posted in that thread. I said find fault. "Talk" would not be the operational word. Intellectual destruction would be more apt. Which I'm finding I have a problem with because you fail to understand the basic science behind this and I am speaking way over your tiny skull. But I will show most excellent patience while I hope for you to school yourself in the science of this matter to the point where you can understand me. I will give the intellectual destruction of you some time before I go into the psychological humiliation phase of this project. That's easy too.

How about you explain the "Pyramidal" contruction of the towers? I also enjoyed your understanding of the towers fire retardant system. Just post some more of "your" facts. It's quite self smacking.

Quit bull******** and get to it fool. Read my posts there. There is a lot there for you to rebuke, if able. Little hint: You might want to research the counterlever construction of tower #7 before you speak to it's collapse. It's obvious you don't have a clue. Get to it. Quit bull********.

I am so holding back...

 

[talloulou]

So what happens if your man leaves you, or cheats on you, or dies? I'm not referring to you specifically, but for someone who follows that mentality, what happens to that woman in that case? She's left high and dry, with no idea how to do anything and no control over even her own life after spending her entire adult life thinking "Oh, its okay. No reason to learn how to do anything, my man will do it."

I'm a stay at home mom that knows how to do tons of stuff. First off I worked many years before I had children. Secondly I volunteer at their school and am quite active in the PTA. I do volunteer work in my community. That stuff is very important and just like any job I learn stuff everyday. I also do freelance writing and photography. I spend tons of time maintaining our many fish tanks. I don't watch soap operas at all. I listen to alot of talk radio and news during the day and thus I'm more up to date on current events than my working friends and family. To say the stay at home mom doesn't know how to do anything or learn anything is total BS.

When the majority of moms started working instead of staying home our schools and neighborhoods lost a very valuable resource. Stay at home moms are capable of accomplishing amazing things through charitable deeds in their communities and schools. Many working people are so busy these days trying to balance work and family that they don't have time to invest in their communities or even meet their neighbors.

Sadly, being a stay at home mom today is much more isolating than it used to be when neighborhoods were full of non-working moms. You didn't have to worry so much about your kids outside playing 'cause you knew there were other moms watching all up and down the block. You had other women around to support you and do stuff with. Neighborhoods were much more neighborly.Those types of neighborhoods are hard to find nowadays.

But getting back to your point....you could argue that employers are skeptical about hiring a woman who has spent many years at home that's probably true and that's a shame but that's the employers loss. Stay at home moms are like anyone else.....we could be lazy couch potatos or we could be well rounded, educated, intelligent, and informed people.

 

[Kelzie]

I assure you, if he ever even so much as raised a hand to me, his life would be over as he knows it. Beatings have no base on my beliefs.

My beliefs come from watching couples and experiencing marriage.

If you can, without getting angry, please explain how my opinion is disrespectful to women?

I in no way stated that women should be nothing but a wife and mother. I did not imply that women are, or should, be uneducated, uninvolved in society, or
silent.

Women are intended to be a huge part of life. We are supposed to be a supporting part of a relationship. Our husbands are supposed to come first and formost.Even before the children. When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right. Sure there are plenty of us who choose to be concerned along with him, but it's a choice, not a necessity.

Now see, this is incredibly offensive to me. What about the men's choice? What if he doesn't want to be concerned? What if he wants to say home and mess around in the house? Letting the man (or woman) be concerned with the "worries of the world" is being submissive. And submissive people suck.

The comments about the Constitution are really ridiculous. I, as any responsible American should be, have been voting since I was of legal age. I have enjoyed the freedoms of being an American and I fully believe that all women have the right to enjoy those same freedoms.

What saddens me is a women who constantly complains about her husband. How he doesn't do things around the house, like the dishes or the laundry. How he never cooks or cleans. That's our job. Not his. Yeah sometimes we need help, but if help is asked for, I've never been denied. I don't nag or harp, I simply ask.

See what saddens me is that women now work just as long, do more of the child raising, and when we request that the men in our life take some responsibilities for the chores, women like you come along and suggest housework is a "women's job". It's disgusting. It's called a partnership. Not slavery. If one of the partners doesn't work, sure they should keep up the house. But it's nobodies job.

One small great example of how women have "taught" men to be other than what they should be is the women who are offended or mad when a man opens the door for her. It is a matter of social politeness for the man to open the door and proceed her through the door. But I have heard and seen women be extremely impolite to a man for doing just that.

Now, in today's society, especially in the north, I'm surprised when a man opens the door for me. And I assure that the next man who lets the door slam in my face is gonna feel me. I refuse to be disrespected in that manner.

I hold the door open for everyone. It's just polite. If a man just does it for a women, he's sexist. Even if it is in a good way, he is implying that simply being a women merits door holding. Not true.

I am a woman. I expect to be treated as such. I am strong, but not overbearing. I am perfectly capable of doing traditional "manly" things, working on the car (I still do my own breaks, as I'm weird about someone else being responsible for my car's ability to stop, however that's the only thing I do unless I am helping my father), overall upkeep of the household, ie plumbing, electrical, painting, flooring etc. But why should I have to I don't. And I wish more women could see the distinction.

Let a man be a man. Not what we as women want a man to be. We are distinctly different creatures, intended to compliment each other. Not become the same. Men are evolving into beings they were never intended to be. And we as women are the catalyst by the way we treat them.

I expect to be treated as a human. I do not expect my gender to garner any other treatment, for better or for worse. We are letting men be men. Believe it or not, some men like staying home and raising the kids. I plan on making a lot of money when I graduate law school. If my husband wants to stay home with the kids, he will have my full support.

 

[cherokee]

All bull$hit aside
Who in the hell would want a wife that was just a slave?

This entire thread is just , Well how can I say this nicely? Hmm..
Well its flucking stupid!

 

[teacher]

I hold the door open for everyone. It's just polite. If a man just does it for a women, he's sexist. Even if it is in a good way, he is implying that simply being a women merits door holding. Not true.

I too, hold the door open for everyone. But I beg your indulgence Kelzie. What if the man was brought up "old school"? He was taught that holding the door open for a women is just polite. He may wait a few extra seconds because he sees a woman coming. He might not if it is a man. There is nothing sexist about it, maybe just what his Grandma taught him as a young man. Me? I stay the extra second to hold a door open for a young women, always, for politeness, but these days I also do it just so I can get nary the thank you and that look like I just asked for a BJ by the very act of politely holding the door open. I get a big kick out of that one. Something going on there at several differant levels Big K. Think about it. Come to think of it, last person I stayed extra at the door to hold it open was today. A black UPS guy.

In this little dichotomy here, Kelzie, there is a lot going on between the "old school" and the "gen x". You need to reconcile the difference between me just being polite, (which I will go to my grave doing), the feminist movement, and assholes like me that play this stupid shi*t out in every day life. (I hold the door for politeness, yet never fail to watch what the fuc*k is going on in society). Maybe one day I'll get that BJ just for being polite.

It was about two years ago now I waited and held the door open for an elderly women. She looked at me and said, "I'm glad to see chivalry is still alive". I told her, "Ma'am, I do nothing more than my grandmother taught me". I hold the door open because of my Grandma June. The rest I do because I won a certain election.

Now mull that over...

 

[Stace]

I agree but the thing that stinks about the situation is that now both spouses are working and American families are MORE in debt than they were when only one spouse worked. I wonder what would happen if more women chose to stay home with their kids? Would there be more jobs available for those who needed to work and would they then get paid more since there would be less human resources to choose from? Maybe...but then again maybe not. But the kids would be better off.

I agree that the kids would be better off, but I'm not sure that I agree with your theory on more debt and that whole job availability thing.....

I do realize this option isn't currently available to everyone but I do think more people could do it if they really took a look at their priorities and figured out what they need and don't need. Do you need two cars, a huge house, ect....? Just thoughts.

Hubby and I certainly don't have a huge house...but we also live in a large city, and with that comes a certain crime rate....we pay a little more than we HAVE to, but we wanted to be in a safer neighborhood. That is something that is definitely worth the extra money. We need two vehicles, hubby will be working odd hours once he gets out of the Academy (he's training to become a police officer), and it just wouldn't be sensible to have to tote the baby around just for me to take him to and from work so that I could have a vehicle during the day.....and I refuse to be dependent upon other people for transportation. What if the baby, or myself, gets sick while hubby is at work? He doesn't have a job where he can just drop everything to come take us to the doctor. But his truck will be paid off in a few months, so it's really not that big of a deal to us. Now sure, we don't NEED satellite TV, but we couldn't even get local channels without that or cable, and we do enjoy our TV programs. We don't necessarily NEED cell phones, but I've found them to be very handy in emergencies. We don't have a luxurious life by any means, but we are comfortable and I see no reason to change that.

If you ask most public school teachers.."What is the biggest problem you face?" Many will reply that the kids aren't getting what they need at home and teachers are expected to do so much more than teach reading, writing, and math. When parents can stay home with their kids and help out at school the kids really benefit. I do believe it's possible you could work and raise your kids well but it's just harder.

My FIL's girlfriend works with him during the day (he has his own painting business), but she takes my little SIL to school every day (she's six), and picks her up every day, and helps her with her homework. She is VERY involved in her schooling....I think if more moms did stuff like that, worked part time while their kids were in school during the day if they needed the income, everyone would benefit.

That's great if your definition of being a good manly man and mine are the same. Some people can do well no matter what their situation. Others benefit when their environment is better. I don't just blame women for the destruction of marriage. Even if a woman divorces you, if you are a REAL man you will still stay involved with your kids and ensure that they are raised right. However it is much easier to do this when you share their home. And fathers are important to daughters to. It is from the strong love of a good father that woman learn how they should expect to be treated by the opposite sex.

Yes and no. Fathers ARE important, but some families are just very dysfunctional and the girl has to look elsewhere for a father figure. I greatly admired my best friend's father, he was like another dad to me.....father figures (or mothers, as the case may be) don't necessarily have to be from the home unit.

Also many step-parents are great and can do as well a job as if they were the biological parent and in some cases much better. However it is harder. They have to build a bond without the aid of the bond being natural.

You know, I had a great bond with my step dad....or so I thought....until he and my mom actually got married (he lived with us for a couple of years before the wedding). And then something just snapped.....but yes, most stepparents are wonderful, and I applaud them just as much as I do those that adopt, because I know that it takes a very strong person to love a child that is not biologically your own.

I agree, men need to do their part. And women need to choose their men wisely. I can only imagine how hard it would be if I had to work. Schools would be calling my job, I'd have to take off or find alternate care when school is closed or the kids are sick, the house would be more of a mess than it is now, and getting dinner on the table would be stressful. I see alot of couples who have more "material" things than I do but the lives are soooo stressful and much of it is stress of their own creation. We don't always NEED the things we think we need.

Very true. No argument there.

Yes but she has to work much harder! Being a stay at home mom is one of the hardest jobs I've ever done. I can only imagine what working moms are going through.

Oh, I agree completely! People think that SAHM's have it sooo easy, and I think it's actually one of the most stressful jobs a woman can have. And she doesn't even get paid!!! Not with money, anyway....

Of course! I agree.

:mrgreen:

 

[Stace]

Women are intended to be a huge part of life. We are supposed to be a supporting part of a relationship. Our husbands are supposed to come first and formost.Even before the children. When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right. Sure there are plenty of us who choose to be concerned along with him, but it's a choice, not a necessity.

I disagree. Women don't just play supporting roles in a marriage - they are the female lead. Marriage is a partnership, which means that things need to have an equal balance.

What saddens me is a women who constantly complains about her husband. How he doesn't do things around the house, like the dishes or the laundry. How he never cooks or cleans. That's our job. Not his. Yeah sometimes we need help, but if help is asked for, I've never been denied. I don't nag or harp, I simply ask.

No, it is NOT our job, especially if we also work outside of the home. Goes back to that equal partnership thing. Right now, I don't work outside of the home, but my husband still helps me with things around the house - without being asked. He makes the messes, too, and he's just as capable of cleaning them up as I am.

One small great example of how women have "taught" men to be other than what they should be is the women who are offended or mad when a man opens the door for her. It is a matter of social politeness for the man to open the door and proceed her through the door. But I have heard and seen women be extremely impolite to a man for doing just that.

It's a matter of social politeness for ANYONE to hold a door open for ANYONE else. I hold doors open for men and women alike all of the time. And perhaps it's just where I live, but I am always given a smile and a thank you.

In regards to the necessity for two income homes because of the cost of living... It only costs that much because of the possessions possessed. People in America are grasping for the brass ring at the cost of inner peace.

Not really. I don't know where you live, but the cost of living in general is pretty high where I live. Hubby and I don't go spending money on frivolous things - we buy what we need, when we need it. The only "extras" we have would be having two vehicles rather than one, but I've already explained the need for that; satellite tv, and our cell phones, but I've also already explained their purposes. Sure, they're not necessary for survival, but they are all certainly useful things to have, and do not take much money out of our monthly budget anyway.

 

[RightinNYC]

I'm a stay at home mom that knows how to do tons of stuff. First off I worked many years before I had children. Secondly I volunteer at their school and am quite active in the PTA. I do volunteer work in my community. That stuff is very important and just like any job I learn stuff everyday. I also do freelance writing and photography. I spend tons of time maintaining our many fish tanks. I don't watch soap operas at all. I listen to alot of talk radio and news during the day and thus I'm more up to date on current events than my working friends and family. To say the stay at home mom doesn't know how to do anything or learn anything is total BS.

When the majority of moms started working instead of staying home our schools and neighborhoods lost a very valuable resource. Stay at home moms are capable of accomplishing amazing things through charitable deeds in their communities and schools. Many working people are so busy these days trying to balance work and family that they don't have time to invest in their communities or even meet their neighbors.

Sadly, being a stay at home mom today is much more isolating than it used to be when neighborhoods were full of non-working moms. You didn't have to worry so much about your kids outside playing 'cause you knew there were other moms watching all up and down the block. You had other women around to support you and do stuff with. Neighborhoods were much more neighborly.Those types of neighborhoods are hard to find nowadays.

But getting back to your point....you could argue that employers are skeptical about hiring a woman who has spent many years at home that's probably true and that's a shame but that's the employers loss. Stay at home moms are like anyone else.....we could be lazy couch potatos or we could be well rounded, educated, intelligent, and informed people.

That comment was referring to this attitude:

"When a woman supports her man, she truly does not have to be concerned with the worries of the world because she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that her man will move heaven and hell to do what ever he can to make things right."

That's bullshit. Because if you don't "concern yourself" with the worried of the world and learn how to handle them on your own, you are subservient and dependent on others.

 

[mixedmedia]

I too, hold the door open for everyone. But I beg your indulgence Kelzie. What if the man was brought up "old school"? He was taught that holding the door open for a women is just polite. He may wait a few extra seconds because he sees a woman coming. He might not if it is a man. There is nothing sexist about it, maybe just what his Grandma taught him as a young man. Me? I stay the extra second to hold a door open for a young women, always, for politeness, but these days I also do it just so I can get nary the thank you and that look like I just asked for a BJ by the very act of politely holding the door open. I get a big kick out of that one. Something going on there at several differant levels Big K. Think about it. Come to think of it, last person I stayed extra at the door to hold it open was today. A black UPS guy.

In this little dichotomy here, Kelzie, there is a lot going on between the "old school" and the "gen x". You need to reconcile the difference between me just being polite, (which I will go to my grave doing), the feminist movement, and assholes like me that play this stupid shi*t out in every day life. (I hold the door for politeness, yet never fail to watch what the fuc*k is going on in society). Maybe one day I'll get that BJ just for being polite.

It was about two years ago now I waited and held the door open for an elderly women. She looked at me and said, "I'm glad to see chivalry is still alive". I told her, "Ma'am, I do nothing more than my grandmother taught me". I hold the door open because of my Grandma June. The rest I do because I won a certain election.

Now mull that over...

Does this really happen? That women get offended when you open the door for them? I've never seen it happen. I'm always very appreciative when someone, anyone, opens the door for me. And I frequently open doors for both men and women, too. Actually, I do it for the guys I work with a lot.....they are conservative and old-fashioned, but they get a kick out of it. But anyway, I'm just curious to know how often it is that a woman gets offended by that.

 

[RightinNYC]

Does this really happen? That women get offended when you open the door for them? I've never seen it happen. I'm always very appreciative when someone, anyone, opens the door for me. And I frequently open doors for both men and women, too. Actually, I do it for the guys I work with a lot.....they are conservative and old-fashioned, but they get a kick out of it. But anyway, I'm just curious to know how often it is that a woman gets offended by that.

I've also never seen that, and I quite literally live and work in Feminist Central. The only place I've ever been that was more feminist centered was Vassar. That was scary.

 

[teacher]

Does this really happen? That women get offended when you open the door for them? I've never seen it happen. I'm always very appreciative when someone, anyone, opens the door for me. And I frequently open doors for both men and women, too. Actually, I do it for the guys I work with a lot.....they are conservative and old-fashioned, but they get a kick out of it. But anyway, I'm just curious to know how often it is that a woman gets offended by that.

I swear. And when I hold the door I do my best not to leer. Maybe me making my best leg and saying "after you ma'am" is too much. But you know me. Put it like this. I hold the door, nary the thank you. Often an evil look down the nose at me. Maybe I put to much into it. I'm sure you do say thanks when a man holds the door for you. Hence you not seeing it. For sure it's not the majority of women that do it. Seems the only ones that do are young and pretty. I'm just calling it like I see it.

I've also never seen that, and I quite literally live and work in Feminist Central.

I'm born and raised upstate NY Right. I get back there now and again. For sure I don't see this up there. Come to think of it, I've really only seen this in South Florida. It's like a different country down there at times. Maybe that is why.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I swear. And when I hold the door I do my best not to leer. Maybe me making my best leg and saying "after you ma'am" is too much. But you know me. Put it like this. I hold the door, nary the thank you. Often an evil look down the nose at me. Maybe I put to much into it. I'm sure you do say thanks when a man holds the door for you. Hence you not seeing it. For sure it's not the majority of women that do it. Seems the only ones that do are young and pretty. I'm just calling it like I see it.




I'm born and raised upstate NY Right. I get back there now and again. For sure I don't see this up there. Come to think of it, I've really only seen this in South Florida. It's like a different country down there at times. Maybe that is why.

Ho ho! The denial of the leer when the leer was not mentioned, and then comes the admission that it only happens down in Miami, hmm Teach, caught ya, been starring at the beach bunnies titties down at south beach again haven't we? Why yes ma'am after you and as she walks by the subtle stare down the top followed by the *** look and a bite of your fist, CONFESS!!!

 

[teacher]

Ho ho! The denial of the leer when the leer was not mentioned, and then comes the admission that it only happens down in Miami, hmm Teach, caught ya, been starring at the beach bunnies titties down at south beach again haven't we? Why yes ma'am after you and as she walks by the subtle stare down the top followed by the *** look and a bite of your fist, CONFESS!!!

Let it be known I will teach anyone, anytime. Where do I deny leering? I clearly stated that I do my best not to leer. Never said I succeeded. But then I also never said I got caught doing said leer. You got me on the haiku bro. Don't push your luck.

Who doesn't enjoy a good leer now and again? I guess not getting caught leering comes with age. Don't sweat it sport, just because your eyes pop, smoke comes out your ears, your jaw drops and your tongue unfurls down to your quivering knees, you make a little pants tent, your salivary glands go into panic, eyes get all shifty and you stutter "m-m-m-ma'am", while parents cover their children's eyes, does not mean I get stone cold busted like you do. The fact remains, I get away with it. Maybe I get those evil looks because I haven't been caught leering. Hmm?

Classic post TOT!

Forgive me Father for I have leered, thus proving being gay is not a choice.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Let it be known I will teach anyone, anytime. Where do I deny leering? I clearly stated that I do my best not to leer. Never said I succeeded. But then I also never said I got caught doing said leer. You got me on the haiku bro. Don't push your luck.

Who doesn't enjoy a good leer now and again? I guess not getting caught leering comes with age. Don't sweat it sport, just because your eyes pop, smoke comes out your ears, your jaw drops and your tongue unfurls down to your quivering knees, you make a little pants tent, your salivary glands go into panic, eyes get all shifty and you stutter "m-m-m-ma'am", while parents cover their children's eyes, does not mean I get stone cold busted like you do. The fact remains, I get away with it. Maybe I get those evil looks because I haven't been caught leering. Hmm?

Classic post TOT!

Forgive me Father for I have leered, thus proving being gay is not a choice.

*chris farly voice*

sinner....................:lol: