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With new security law, China outlaws global activism

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With new security law, China outlaws global activism - Axios

The draconian security law that Beijing forced upon Hong Kong last week contains an article making it illegal for anyone in the world to promote democratic reform for Hong Kong.

Why it matters: China has long sought to crush organized dissent abroad through quiet threats and coercion. Now it has codified that practice into law — potentially forcing people and companies around the world to choose between speaking freely and ever stepping foot in Hong Kong again.

What's happening: Article 38 of the national security law states, "This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region."

In other words, every provision of the law applies to everyone outside of Hong Kong — including you.
Article 38 is definitely one of the most aggressive censorship measures the CPC has imposed in recent history, represents a further and serious withering of Hong Kong's 'one country two systems' arrangement which has been all but eviscerated in light of recent events, and is a foreboding instance of China's commitment to penalize and punish any and all criticism of it, and its governance by all possible measures, including the browbeating of citizens, businesses and entities of foreign governments through an array of economic sticks and carrots that now count Hong Kong assets and market access among its extensive arsenal, as well as a general legal formalization of these leveraging and extortionary practices.

In general, I'm of the view that measures like this, as well as our disastrous reliance on China for crucial things such as pharmaceuticals and medical protective gear, highlight and make abundantly clear the need for all of us in the West to collectively work and endeavour to turn away from any and all significant economic reliance on China and instead do business with friendlier countries not openly hostile to democracy and democratic values. The theory since the time of Nixon was that freer and open markets would lead to a freer and open Chinese society, and clearly, nearly 50 years later, this has been thoroughly discredited; this supposed/presumed liberalization has obviously not happened, and business with China has instead only served to further entrench and greatly empower a ruthless and evil totalitarian state that is frankly worse than ever given ever tighter censorship measures and even its active and ongoing prosecution of multiple genocides.
 
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Giving HK back to China was one of the bigger mistakes of recent history. No one's for colonialism, but HK & her citizens were better off with the Brits.
 

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Giving HK back to China was one of the bigger mistakes of recent history. No one's for colonialism, but HK & her citizens were better off with the Brits.
To be clear, though I completely agree, this goes beyond merely HK; this has produced the legal framework for formal economic penalization of foreigners that don't tow the party line or that otherwise offend the Chinese Communist Party.

It is absolutely crucial that the West collectively turn away from China to do business instead with countries notably less hostile to democracy and democratic values.
 

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**** like this is why we need to stop the Chinese government from gaining economic dominance of the world. What kinds of crap will they be mandating from a stronger position?
 

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**** like this is why we need to stop the Chinese government from gaining economic dominance of the world. What kinds of crap will they be mandating from a stronger position?
Exactly.
 

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And the UN refuses to do a thing....as usual.

Too busy bitching about Israel for something perhaps.
 

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Hong Kong needs to become a free democracy separate from China.


Oh look, I can't go to China now.
 

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With new security law, China outlaws global activism - Axios



Article 38 is definitely one of the most aggressive censorship measures the CPC has imposed in recent history, represents a further and serious withering of Hong Kong's 'one country two systems' arrangement which has been all but eviscerated in light of recent events, and is a foreboding instance of China's commitment to penalize and punish any and all criticism of it, and its governance by all possible measures, including the browbeating of citizens, businesses and entities of foreign governments through an array of economic sticks and carrots that now count Hong Kong assets and market access among its extensive arsenal, as well as a general legal formalization of these leveraging and extortionary practices.

In general, I'm of the view that measures like this, as well as our disastrous reliance on China for crucial things such as pharmaceuticals and medical protective gear, highlight and make abundantly clear the need for all of us in the West to collectively work and endeavour to turn away from any and all significant economic reliance on China and instead do business with friendlier countries not openly hostile to democracy and democratic values. The theory since the time of Nixon was that freer and open markets would lead to a freer and open Chinese society, and clearly, nearly 50 years later, this has been thoroughly discredited; this supposed/presumed liberalization has obviously not happened, and business with China has instead only served to further entrench and greatly empower a ruthless and evil totalitarian state that is frankly worse than ever given ever tighter censorship measures and even its active and ongoing prosecution of multiple genocides.
Thanks for this post

I'm wondering why the US didn't say something to the effect of

If u mess w HK you will get sanctioned extensively
 

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That's an interesting approach which could potentially backfire. If my comments about Hong Kong may potentially make me persona non grata in the eyes of the government, then that's somewhere I'd rather not visit. These kind of moves should motivate the private sector to think very carefully about how badly they want access to their market, because if this trend continues, it seems too high a price to pay.
 

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That's an interesting approach which could potentially backfire. If my comments about Hong Kong may potentially make me persona non grata in the eyes of the government, then that's somewhere I'd rather not visit. These kind of moves should motivate the private sector to think very carefully about how badly they want access to their market, because if this trend continues, it seems too high a price to pay.
China currently presides over regimented systemic genocide of the Uighurs and Tibetans; it has forcibly and unilaterally annexed peaceful neighbours like Tibet; it engages in systemic mass suppression and surveillance that would make Orwell's Big Brother envious; it has unilaterally stolen away massive strategic chunks of the South China Sea; ruthlessly browbeats its trading partners and corporations into submission to its domestic and foreign agenda; it has destroyed democracy in Hong Kong and has every intention of doing so for Taiwan; and all of this is a very superficial and partial list of its crimes: the price should already be too high.

But as with Deutsche Bank facilitating Epstein's trafficking and dirty money, or Goldman Sachs and toxic mortgage derivatives bundling, money supersedes all else should it be allowed to.
 
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Giving HK back to China was one of the bigger mistakes of recent history. No one's for colonialism, but HK & her citizens were better off with the Brits.
Hong Kong people were totally robbed of their right to self determination. Every other British colony was given the option of remaining British, joining the Commonwealth, or full Independence. Hong Kong was denied any choice and was handed over to China without consulting the people. I also agree that it was a major mistake.
 

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Fifty-three countries at the U.N. Human Rights Council, led by Cuba, came out in support of China’s national security law this week -- a law that has formed the basis of the communist regime’s latest crackdown on the people of Hong Kong.

Dueling statements were read out in the Council Tuesday in support and against the national security law. According to Axios, Cuba read out a statement in favor of the law backed by 52 other countries, while the U.K. read out a statement against it, representing itself and 26 other countries.

At UN Human Rights Council, 53 countries back China'''s draconian Hong Kong crackdown | Fox News
Meanwhile, this same body of assholes and their "experts" get all buggy over us fragging one of Iran's terrorist leaders, Gen. Qassem Soleimani:

GENEVA — U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has criticized an independent U.N. human rights expert's report insisting a American drone strike that killed a top Iranian general in January was a “watershed” event in the use of drones and amounted to a violation of international law.

The report presented by Agnes Callamard to the U.N.-backed Human Rights Council on Thursday chronicled events around the death of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani and the legal implications of his killing as part of a broader look on the use of drone strikes.

Pompeo Slams UN Report on Deadly US Drone Strike on Iranian - The New York Times
What a useless organization. This is why Trump pulled us out of this "council".
 

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US companies will move some of their production from China to Vietnam, Pompeo said. That is, one competitor was "pumped up ", now they want a second one? Come on. The Comunist party of China is happy, the Com.Party of Vietnam next in line.
The bourgeois don't learn anything. True, they say, that if it is profitable for a bourgeois to shoot himself, he will do it.
 

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With new security law, China outlaws global activism - Axios



Article 38 is definitely one of the most aggressive censorship measures the CPC has imposed in recent history, represents a further and serious withering of Hong Kong's 'one country two systems' arrangement which has been all but eviscerated in light of recent events, and is a foreboding instance of China's commitment to penalize and punish any and all criticism of it, and its governance by all possible measures, including the browbeating of citizens, businesses and entities of foreign governments through an array of economic sticks and carrots that now count Hong Kong assets and market access among its extensive arsenal, as well as a general legal formalization of these leveraging and extortionary practices.

In general, I'm of the view that measures like this, as well as our disastrous reliance on China for crucial things such as pharmaceuticals and medical protective gear, highlight and make abundantly clear the need for all of us in the West to collectively work and endeavour to turn away from any and all significant economic reliance on China and instead do business with friendlier countries not openly hostile to democracy and democratic values. The theory since the time of Nixon was that freer and open markets would lead to a freer and open Chinese society, and clearly, nearly 50 years later, this has been thoroughly discredited; this supposed/presumed liberalization has obviously not happened, and business with China has instead only served to further entrench and greatly empower a ruthless and evil totalitarian state that is frankly worse than ever given ever tighter censorship measures and even its active and ongoing prosecution of multiple genocides.
China is dealing with a rancid America, reeling under corruption, debt, war, usury, and all vices known to man! Who has no option but America to declare war against Russia and China, or its bankrupt. Gone is the petrodollar, gone is the first place in economics and the means of production to China.... the king is dead, long live the king! Gone is the swift system, gone is fear!
America doesn't know what it's going to do..... so just now, its at its most dangerious!
The laws proposed was to allow transfer a rapist in Hong Kong and return him to South Korea. America and UK decided to use the opportunity to create unrest. CHINA AND Xi decided enough was enough! If the Chinese in Hong Kong are daft enough to follow American instruction, I see no difficulty in jailing any protesters for ten years to life! You do the time you pay the crime.
 
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China is dealing with a rancid America, reeling under corruption, debt, war, usury, and all vices known to man! Who has no option but America to declare war against Russia and China, or its bankrupt. Gone is the petrodollar, gone is the first place in economics and the means of production to China.... the king is dead, long live the king! Gone is the swift system, gone is fear!
America doesn't know what it's going to do..... so just now, its at its most dangerious!
The laws proposed was to allow transfer a rapist in Hong Kong and return him to South Korea. America and UK decided to use the opportunity to create unrest. CHINA AND Xi decided enough was enough! If the Chinese in Hong Kong are daft enough to follow American instruction, I see no difficulty in jailing any protesters for ten years to life! You do the time you pay the crime.
great parody of a Chibot...4 out of 5 stars, would read again
 

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China can do whatever they want to Hong Kong and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
 

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great parody of a Chibot...4 out of 5 stars, would read again
Aye, I was talking about a Chinese rapist, the Chinese wanted justice for the rape victim, but I see from today's news, American military can block rapests being prosecuted, no, that's not what any decent human being do, but it's expected even by American military serving women!
What is a chibot?
 

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Aye, I was talking about a Chinese rapist, the Chinese wanted justice for the rape victim, but I see from today's news, American military can block rapests being prosecuted, no, that's not what any decent human being do, but it's expected even by American military serving women!
What is a chibot?
Ummm

What are you talking about?
 

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That's an interesting approach which could potentially backfire. If my comments about Hong Kong may potentially make me persona non grata in the eyes of the government, then that's somewhere I'd rather not visit. These kind of moves should motivate the private sector to think very carefully about how badly they want access to their market, because if this trend continues, it seems too high a price to pay.
Meanwhile in China:

Leaked Drone footage of shackled and blindfolded Uighur Muslims led from trains. As a German this is especially chilling. : gifs
 

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Giving HK back to China was one of the bigger mistakes of recent history. No one's for colonialism, but HK & her citizens were better off with the Brits.
Right, but the lease was up and Thatcher honored that lease.The Chinese Communists, like Communists everywhere, are not honorable.
 

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Giving HK back to China was one of the bigger mistakes of recent history. No one's for colonialism, but HK & her citizens were better off with the Brits.
Mmm..... Westminster stole Hong Kong from China, to stop Westminster and her second opium war to restrict access to
China, Hong Kong was leased to U.K. So Westminster could still sell Indian opium to Hong Kong, and China to resolve the destruction of there own society murdered 60,000 Chinese addicts. But now Westminster sell Afghanistan opium to the whole world.... destroying everyone's society..... now oerhaps if one cared about there own families, there neighbours and towns, they might get off there backsides and grasped reality. Brexit was all about banking law, the EU has passed laws and implemented them by 2015 which England has refused to do! Why, simple, every member of the English aristocracy involved in the heroin trade, would readily be exposed in any audit. Better off with brits..... speak about delusional, you really need to waken up and smell the coffee.
 

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US companies will move some of their production from China to Vietnam, Pompeo said. That is, one competitor was "pumped up ", now they want a second one? Come on. The Comunist party of China is happy, the Com.Party of Vietnam next in line.
The bourgeois don't learn anything. True, they say, that if it is profitable for a bourgeois to shoot himself, he will do it.
They should move these companies to Central America.
 

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It is absolutely crucial that the West collectively turn away from China to do business instead with countries notably less hostile to democracy and democratic values.
I've been saying that for years. Rather than have China manufacturing for American companies, we would be well served to have many non strategic items and good manufactured in Mexico and Central America. Give the work to those nations and help people from those places have good jobs and a reason to remain there and make their nations better.
 

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They should move these companies to Central America.
Pompeo hasn't realised yet, China produces 10,000 highly qualified engineers every year, America produces 20,000 junkies destroying families in the process, every year.
China tries to and does increase standards of living for its nation every year, America Puts more and more people and families into abject poverty every year, and tells them you should thank them for the privilege and isn't America wonderful, the world is envious of them and there freedoms.
China believes in peace, attempting to make changes over centuries by one China two systems, America is owned by an extremist sect, who believes, all, but them, are goyem, animals and those not of there sect, as they are animals, have no right to redress in law, using one another against each other, be them black or white, man and woman, right and wrong, by allowing the lowest denigration of humanity to rise to prominence and it's your individual right. None of us have rights, we have joint responsibility as human beings. If they those extremists firstly destroy someone else's rights, or considerations. We all must live within laws acceptable to a majority of your nation.
 
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