With deep freeze still on, Minnesota utility asks customers to turn down thermostats

[humbolt]

And your windmills would probably be scrap, and your solar panels blown out into a field somewhere. If anything, the need for duplicate power systems is apparent. So you have to pay for one with all of the disadvantages of one to get the benefits of the other. We arent like pre-WW1 hominids that just toughed it out and huddled together to survive.

There are physical limits to the amount of gas or electricity that can be pushed through a pipe. With gas in particular, extremely cold weather can adversely affect flow, as well.

 

[trouble13]

HAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Yeah, I'm sure you're so worried about the environment.

May I remind you that the reason for the spike is because of the polar vortex which is intern caused by Global Warming which is intern caused by the burning of fossil fuels. So there's a pretty good chance they wouldn't have a demand spike right now if we focused on that problem.

While we may not have the ability today to meet this type of demand using renewables there is absolutely no reason to think we couldn't if we made the proper investments in them today before we run out of back up fuels like Natural Gas and Coal.

Your problem is you think you have a monopoly on concern for our environment. It's sad and pathetic

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[apdst]

Utility asks customers to turn down thermostats in deep freeze - StarTribune.com



Wait a second, I thought Fossil Fuels were forever? I keep hearing that we can't go to solar and wind because sometimes the sun goes down and sometimes the wind doesn't blow, but you can always rely on coal and gas right? It sure would be nice to have an electrical furnace and some more wind farms right now. I bet the winds from the Alberta Clippers coming down from Canada would heat a lot of homes even when the gas runs out.

Windmills generate 18% of Minnesota's yearly power supply. Looks like the grid can't keep up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Minnesota

 

[jmotivator]

Utility asks customers to turn down thermostats in deep freeze - StarTribune.com



Wait a second, I thought Fossil Fuels were forever? I keep hearing that we can't go to solar and wind because sometimes the sun goes down and sometimes the wind doesn't blow, but you can always rely on coal and gas right? It sure would be nice to have an electrical furnace and some more wind farms right now. I bet the winds from the Alberta Clippers coming down from Canada would heat a lot of homes even when the gas runs out.

Well, if they were on solar and wind they wouldn't have to be told to turn the thermostat down, brown-outs would do it for them.

 

[apdst]

It seems to only be people with natural gas furnaces that are having the issues. Electric furnaces are fine since they can draw power from a number of different sources including wind. The point here is that it's good to have a lot of backup options and alternative ways to generate power. We know we're going to eventually run low on gas and coal. Why burn up any more of our supply than we have to when we could be moving toward renewables faster?

Wind turbines can't operate below -4° F.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_design

 

[KLATTU]

your simplistic excuse for no new nuke plants seems to overlook that republicans aren't afraid to stand up to climate change. And they were pretty brave when they weren't in power when it came to Obamacare and deficits. Oh, and your excuse is false. there is no federal restriction on new nuclear plants.

While there are plans for a number of new reactors (see section on Preparing for new build below), no more than two more new units will come online by 2021. Since about 2010 the prospect of low natural gas prices continuing for several years has dampened plans for new nuclear capacity.

Nuclear Power in the USA - World Nuclear Association

I don't know Vern- nuclear power puts liberals in a box. They spent a whole decade protesting it. ( good for me though- it was easy for me to dumb down and pretend I was a liberal to pick up chicks at a nuclear power protest rally) .
Now that we only have 12 years to live, it's all of a sudden it's not sounding so bad.
Risk a meltdown or have the Jersey shore underwater???
What to do?

 

[Vern]

I don't know Vern- nuclear power puts liberals in a box. They spent a whole decade protesting it. ( good for me though- it was easy for me to dumb down and pretend I was a liberal to pick up chicks at a nuclear power protest rally) .
Now that we only have 12 years to live, it's all of a sudden it's not sounding so bad.
Risk a meltdown or have the Jersey shore underwater???
What to do?

oh klat, what does your post have to do with my post? felis posted something false and I addressed it. Why does that bother you so? And as I showed, there are financial issues with nuke plants (in addition to the waste). Anyhoo klat, I wish you could understand that "libruls" don't all have the same opinion the way conservatives do. Look at the way all conservatives foamed at the mouth about deficits for 8 years under President Obama now all accept trump ballooning the deficit.

 

[PirateMk1]

:failpail: I'm from Minnesota.

Really? One wouldn't have thought from your statements in the op. One have thought you knew about frozen stuff. Apparently this California boy knows more. Thats sad.

 

[humbolt]

Wind turbines can't operate below -4° F.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine_design

Well all them turbines need are heaters powered by fossil fuels to keep 'em above -4. Then they can replace the power it takes to warm them up...Wait a second...Nevermind. :lamo

 

[Jack Fabulous]

HAHAHAHHAHA!!!! Yeah, I'm sure you're so worried about the environment.

May I remind you that the reason for the spike is because of the polar vortex which is intern caused by Global Warming which is intern caused by the burning of fossil fuels. So there's a pretty good chance they wouldn't have a demand spike right now if we focused on that problem.

While we may not have the ability today to meet this type of demand using renewables there is absolutely no reason to think we couldn't if we made the proper investments in them today before we run out of back up fuels like Natural Gas and Coal.

Sheesh... wrong on so many levels.

A "polar vortex" is just a scary sounding term for an arctic high pressure system. A layman's term for the same thing is "cold snap".

 

[KLATTU]

o Look at the way all conservatives foamed at the mouth about deficits for 8 years under President Obama now all accept trump ballooning the deficit.

Wrong again Vern.

Are you ever right about anything ? #LAFFRIOT


As most do, you confuse Republicans with conservatives.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/13/conservatives-lash-out-at-gop-spending-binge.html

Deficit hawks in Congress and conservative activists who railed against President Barack Obama's spending plans called the GOP debt explosion "dangerous," ″immoral" and "a betrayal."

American Conservative Union chairman Matt Schlapp warned the Republican-controlled Congress not to underestimate the impact of responsible spending for voters.



Economist Dan Mitchell joins Jeff Deist to discuss what might be the biggest threat of all to American prosperity: the shocking and unconscionable US government debt
https://mises.org/library/dan-mitchell-there-endgame-us-debt




https://www.creators.com/read/veron...nt-may-lead-to-a-debt-driven-financial-crisis
Has everyone gone mad? Where are the adults in Congress? They're increasingly hard to find, and it's unfortunate because reality isn't negotiable.

Even if the Democrats fail to get their way in terms of socialist spending, our fiscal situation is disconcerting and getting worse by the day. Thanks to the baby boomers retiring and weighing more heavily on the system over the next 20 years, spending will explode, and so will the debt. Don't forget we're starting this ascension, already $22 trillion in the hole.


#BUSH ALLOWED 9/11
#BUSH LIED 1000's DIED
#BUSH LET BIN LADEN GO
#TRUTHER

#LAFFGIGGLE

 

[Vern]

Wrong again Vern.

First klat, I notice you don’t respond to me asking what your original post has to do with my post. You of course ignored the thread related part of my post to get to your obedient flailing at reality. Anyhoo, nobody said you couldn’t find a few republicans still shaking their fist about deficits. But just to be clear, you didn’t address the fact that you and yours foamed at the mouth about deficits for 8 years and now sit quietly. Very quietly.

#BUSH ALLOWED 9/11
#BUSH LIED 1000's DIED
#BUSH LET BIN LADEN GO

Well the good news is you seem to finally accept the facts that show Bush lied about the intel and let OBL escape. Its good to know that I didn’t waste my time proving it to you.

#havingfunyetyeaprobablynot

 

[gfm7175]

Wait a second, I thought Fossil Fuels were forever?

We don't burn fossils for fuel.

I keep hearing that we can't go to solar and wind because sometimes the sun goes down and sometimes the wind doesn't blow,

Okay.

but you can always rely on coal and gas right?

No, there's physical limitations, like with any other power source.

It sure would be nice to have an electrical furnace and some more wind farms right now.

They would run into the same limitations... I personally have a fireplace (wood fueled) which works as a nice supplemental heating source to the natural gas which I primarily use.

I bet the winds from the Alberta Clippers coming down from Canada would heat a lot of homes even when the gas runs out.

What you also need to remember is that this cold blast in the Mid-West was approaching record breaking... Where I live, it got down to around -30°F... That's going to put some strain on the power generation/distribution network.

 

[KLATTU]

Fi But just to be clear, you didn’t address the fact that you and yours foamed at the mouth about deficits for 8 years and now sit quietly. Very quietly.

not

sigh wrong again....when you say 'yours' you include the people I quoted on the last post. So we've been conssitent.
I lauded Clinton and the Republicans for their relative fiscal prudence ( even though he also lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction ..LAFFRIOT!)
I ripped Bush and the Republican for spending....I ripped Obama and the Democrats for their spending....and I've most assuredly RIPPED Trump and Republicans for not doing anything to get spending under contrlol.

As I'v BRILLIANTLY and famously stated. Getting growth by cutting taxes while spending like Bernie Sanders is no great accomplishment.

 

[American]

Utility asks customers to turn down thermostats in deep freeze - StarTribune.com



Wait a second, I thought Fossil Fuels were forever? I keep hearing that we can't go to solar and wind because sometimes the sun goes down and sometimes the wind doesn't blow, but you can always rely on coal and gas right? It sure would be nice to have an electrical furnace and some more wind farms right now. I bet the winds from the Alberta Clippers coming down from Canada would heat a lot of homes even when the gas runs out.

Actually at the temps being experienced right now, the wind turbines can actually have mechanical problems due to material property changes, and lubrication issues.

 

[American]

Well, if they were on solar and wind they wouldn't have to be told to turn the thermostat down, brown-outs would do it for them.

Wonka doesn't know WTF he's talking about. No one ever said fossil fuels were forever, so he invented that notion all by his lonesome.

 

[apdst]

Windmills can't operate in wind speeds above 55 mph.

What were wind speeds in Minnesota during this week's global warming event?

 

[dcsports]

Not sure why the discussion keeps turning to windmills and nuclear reactors. We're not talking about modes of electric power generation, but natural gas piped to homes for heat. Methods of electric power production aren't at issue. Windmills, solar panels, or nuclear reactors aren't going to provide heat to a home with a gas furnace.

This is a pretty extreme situation, and it's understandable that the system would be taxed. It makes sense to ask for voluntary reduction in order to preserve capacity to ensure everyone keeps service. Just as they ask certain energy consumers to set air conditioners a little higher during a heatwave. It's an interesting situation.... but I don't see the controversy here.