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Wind and solar now employ as many workers as the oil sector.... yet they only deliver 7% of the world's energy

Don’t believe me, do your own math and show us how many kWh of batteries it would take to insure a solar home could run completely without a backup supply?
Why don’t you show me the data as to why the companies who are proposing 1000gW of power are somehow not listening to your expert denier advice?
 
There are people who always want to keep the world the way it is when they come of age. Ancient Egyptians. Confederates. People now.
And there are people who want to destroy the world, like you.
 
True enough but non 100% duty cycle supplies of energy will require massive energy storage to allow they to replace 100 % duty cycle supplies.

The 70's oil crisis, the Gulf war, 9/11, the Iraq war, the invasion of Crimea and the Ukrainian war have showed that fossil fuel isn't a stable and secure source of energy. There both fossil fuel and nuclear plant also risk breaking down or needed to be shut down when they are needed the most during heat waves.


That you can create a much secure and stable power and energy supply by combining many types of renewable energy and energy storage. There you can use new smart technologies to efficiently combine those sources.



There some renewable sources like for example hydropower and concentrated solar power with thermal storage can produce electricity on demand. There it also are advancement in for example wave and tidal power that can produce a more steady supply of electricity.


 
Weird how the people who are actually building solar/battery hybrid plants disagree.

There’s 14 GW in operation now, plus much more coming.



There it also advancement in new types of storage.



Also that hydrogen can also replace fossil fuel in heating, industrial processes and transport. There the production of hydrogen can increase then the supply of electricity is high and be stored for the use then the supply is low.


There electric cars and other electric vehicles can be used for energy storage.

 
Why don’t you show me the data as to why the companies who are proposing 1000gW of power are somehow not listening to your expert denier advice?
The battery stations are designed to capitalize on market fluctuations, they are not large enough to cover the short falls of wind and solar, and are unlikely to ever do so!
The exercise I described is very real, look at almost any off grid home, they have a backup power source! The reason is the sometimes it can be cloudy for several days in a row, or the wind could not blow hard enough for days on end!
 
The 70's oil crisis, the Gulf war, 9/11, the Iraq war, the invasion of Crimea and the Ukrainian war have showed that fossil fuel isn't a stable and secure source of energy. There both fossil fuel and nuclear plant also risk breaking down or needed to be shut down when they are needed the most during heat waves.


That you can create a much secure and stable power and energy supply by combining many types of renewable energy and energy storage. There you can use new smart technologies to efficiently combine those sources.



There some renewable sources like for example hydropower and concentrated solar power with thermal storage can produce electricity on demand. There it also are advancement in for example wave and tidal power that can produce a more steady supply of electricity.


I have no issues with combining all available energy sources, but we have to understand that each has their limitations. The reality is that we are a long way from having wind and solar become our primary energy supply, and without massive energy storage they likely can never do the job!
 
LOL we get it, you want to change the world. Thats what all tyrants and terrorists say.


Prove it. You people keep saying its science, yet when asked for proof you people always run away like chickens.
Who ya gonna believe?

 
Very true, there is always room for some massive technology step forward, but nothing in the works currently will solve this problem.
What is really needed is seasonal energy storage, the ability to move fall and spring surplus to winter and summer demand. This is outside the capabilities of batteries at this time.
 
Who ya gonna believe?

You misunderstand the argument!
Human caused climate change is not in question.
The statement about if alternate energy sources can meet modern demands, at a reasonable cost.
If energy prices get real high, everyday energy usages like ac, refrigeration,etc, could become out of reach for many people.
 
Very true, there is always room for some massive technology step forward, but nothing in the works currently will solve this problem.
What is really needed is seasonal energy storage, the ability to move fall and spring surplus to winter and summer demand. This is outside the capabilities of batteries at this time.
We are a smart country, historically. New tech is needed for sure, beside energy storage, single family vertical wind generators, geothermal, whatever springs from from the minds of the innovators. An understanding of the danger of going on the way we have been, is key to innovation. Refusing to link the increasingly violent weather, to greenhouse gases will only increase the threat to humanity, not to mention flora & fauna, from worse hurricanes, tornados, droughts, extinctions of plant & animal species, wildfires, mass migrations, collapse of agriculture, disappearing shorelines.
I try to cut down on consumer goods, use of electricity, etc. but we can only do so much, I have an electric chain saw & lawn mower, which must be charged from the grid. I can't afford solar panels, as I live off SS.
 
You misunderstand the argument!
Human caused climate change is not in question.
The statement about if alternate energy sources can meet modern demands, at a reasonable cost.
If energy prices get real high, everyday energy usages like ac, refrigeration,etc, could become out of reach for many people.
IMO it's not so much can we afford to press for renewables, it's we can't afford not to.
Electricity prices are going up by unprecedented amounts, I share your concern, but there ain't no invisible man in the sky gonna save us. The bigger the threat, the more the innovators understand the threat, the closer we come to changing our actions. The current Administration is putting in thousands of solar vehicle chargers nationwide, school districts are converting to EV buses.
the problem is getting acceptance of the threat of going along blindly doing the SOS.
 
Very true, there is always room for some massive technology step forward, but nothing in the works currently will solve this problem.
What is really needed is seasonal energy storage, the ability to move fall and spring surplus to winter and summer demand. This is outside the capabilities of batteries at this time.
Yet you keep telling us that generating hydrocarbons from CO2 is cheap and easy.
 
With cars.

Said the cowboys on horses.
Yeah, you want EV cars like this one:

Electric Vehicles Could Overload the Grid.jpg

Who ya gonna believe?

The 97% myth has been debunked a long time ago. Try again.

 
Yeah, you want EV cars like this one:

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The 97% myth has been debunked a long time ago. Try again.

No it hasn't

Actually it's 99% now
 
Employment is literally the entire point of having an economy. High employment is really the only reason to use a tool like capitalism as it works well for that purpose.
'the entire point of having an economy' is not to implement a jobs programs.

'High employment' is not a purpose of capitalism.

Where did you get these misconceptions from?

KEY TAKEAWAYS​

  • Capitalism is a system of economic production which is controlled by market forces rather than a central government.
  • Business owners acquire the means of production and hire workers who get paid for their labor under capitalist structures.
  • This system is defined by private property rights, capital accumulation and re-investment, free markets, and competition.
  • While capitalism helps propel innovation and prosperity in modern society, it can also create inequalities and contribute to market failures.
  • Capitalism is the direct opposite of communism, which is a system that is controlled by the government.

If the same goods and services can be provided at a lower cost to the customer, they should be.

'The economy' is the cumulated results of mutually agreed upon exchange of goods and services for remuneration.
 
Yeah, you want EV cars like this one:

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The 97% myth has been debunked a long time ago. Try again.

I'm sure when the first airplane was made that a bunch of people said we shouldn't be messing with the heavens.

You're just stuck in the mud. You should address that.
 
I'm sure when the first airplane was made that a bunch of people said we shouldn't be messing with the heavens.

You're just stuck in the mud. You should address that.
EVs were invented before IC cars, a fact you dont know about. Let's face it, you want humanity to go backwards in time beause of your apocalyptic religion.
 
I have no issues with combining all available energy sources, but we have to understand that each has their limitations. The reality is that we are a long way from having wind and solar become our primary energy supply, and without massive energy storage they likely can never do the job!

There are already regions and countries with a lot more ambitious goals than hundred percent renewable energy. There those regions and countries can earn a lot of money from the export of electricity and hydrogen from renewable sources.



There US have also great opportunities with for example deserts and other sunny areas not only perfect for solar panels but also concentrated solar power with thermal storage that can produce electricity on demand. There are also both domestic and Canadian hydropower, there it is possible to also add pump storage to increase the potential to balance the grid. While also long coast lines there it can be built off shore wind power that can produce a more steady supply of electricity and also be potential for tidal and wave power.

The US is also one of world's biggest economies so major investments like for the Inflation Reduction Act can lead to a lot of technological advancements and economy of scale in both renewable energy and energy storage. There this can also for example lead to advancement in geothermal energy.

 
LOL lithium mining for batteries is just as polluting as oil fields, wind farms kill millions of birds already, and you want this to go up? :LOL:


Look who cant figure out basic math when it comes to energy production and economic efficiency. :ROFLMAO:
Drilling is bad! Fracking is bad! Strip mining for materials, using fossil fuel driven equipment, shipping said materials to plants using fossil fuel driven equipment, and manufacturing green technologies using fossil fuel driven equipment...all which dwarfs the pollution SAVINGS from the end product...well.......thats GOOOOOD......

Welcome to the world of the mindless green energy supporter.
 
'the entire point of having an economy' is not to implement a jobs programs.

'High employment' is not a purpose of capitalism.

Where did you get these misconceptions from?

KEY TAKEAWAYS​

  • Capitalism is a system of economic production which is controlled by market forces rather than a central government.
  • Business owners acquire the means of production and hire workers who get paid for their labor under capitalist structures.
  • This system is defined by private property rights, capital accumulation and re-investment, free markets, and competition.
  • While capitalism helps propel innovation and prosperity in modern society, it can also create inequalities and contribute to market failures.
  • Capitalism is the direct opposite of communism, which is a system that is controlled by the government.

If the same goods and services can be provided at a lower cost to the customer, they should be.

'The economy' is the cumulated results of mutually agreed upon exchange of goods and services for remuneration.
Incorrect. If an economic model doesn’t provide for people, then it should be thrown out, like happened with communism.

Much of the time, capitalism is an adequate tool to achieve that greater purpose of societal well being.
 
Drilling is bad! Fracking is bad! Strip mining for materials, using fossil fuel driven equipment, shipping said materials to plants using fossil fuel driven equipment, and manufacturing green technologies using fossil fuel driven equipment...all which dwarfs the pollution SAVINGS from the end product...well.......thats GOOOOOD......

Welcome to the world of the mindless green energy supporter.
It’s even weirder to think strip mining is good, and somehow using renewable energy is bad because you need to use fossil fuels for some of it, while ignoring that you need to use fossil fuels to mine and transport coal, too.

Mindless is an apt description here, but not for people who advocate more renewables.
 
We are a smart country, historically. New tech is needed for sure, beside energy storage, single family vertical wind generators, geothermal, whatever springs from from the minds of the innovators. An understanding of the danger of going on the way we have been, is key to innovation. Refusing to link the increasingly violent weather, to greenhouse gases will only increase the threat to humanity, not to mention flora & fauna, from worse hurricanes, tornados, droughts, extinctions of plant & animal species, wildfires, mass migrations, collapse of agriculture, disappearing shorelines.
I try to cut down on consumer goods, use of electricity, etc. but we can only do so much, I have an electric chain saw & lawn mower, which must be charged from the grid. I can't afford solar panels, as I live off SS.
There is a risk in attributing weather events to climate change, as it implies that if we get CO2 levels under control, then the weather events will stop, and they will not! Everything seen in the weather in the last 40 years is well within the normal range.
 
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