Fledermaus
DP Veteran
- Joined
- Apr 18, 2014
- Messages
- 134,422
- Reaction score
- 37,464
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Libertarian - Right
So you claim. I claim that Rodriguez's claims and ALL eyewitness claims require investigation by legitimate investigators, not internet jockeys who post their heavily biased opinions in discussion forums.
What did Willy say to the Commission?
Did it occur to you yet that I'm not interested in discussing ANYTHING with you? If not, save a link to this post for future reference.
The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building.
And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A
person comes running into the office saying explosion, explosion, explosion. When I look at this
guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a
glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire
went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th – freight elevator, the biggest
freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the
cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the
B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his
skin vaporized.
Tell me why there is only ONE seismic event for each tower HD. If the seismic data supposedly represents your explosions, where's the second event representing the impacts?
:roll:
I can only speculate that the first explosions, one of which is described by Rodriguez and Gartenberg, were sufficient to trigger the seismograph? Subsequent explosions, those described by firemen and so many others, were much smaller?
It was to ABC news. Link: Chilling final words of those who died inside the Twin Towers on 9/11 - Mirror Online
Notice the part in red that does NOT include the "FROM THE INSIDE" part that you added to embellish what was said. Kind of like William eh? You think an explosion from the basement traveled up to the 86th floor via the core and blew it outward?!
:roll:
You mean the explosions that left NO seismic signature?
If you mean that some explosions were too small to register on the seismographs, yes.
If you mean that there were no events recorded on nearby seismographs, no.
Sometimes it's hard to tell what the Keyboard Commandos are really trying to say....
Oh boy HD! Let's get this information correct shall we?
According to the paper you linked above, Ross and Furlong have the seismic event starting at 8:46:26. The Commission states 8:46:40. A difference of 14 seconds. Let's look at the the seismic data that Ross and Furlong pulled there start time from. Linky: Record of the Day
The time specified by Ross and Furlong was the beginning of the record, not the start to the impact event. The impact starts at about 14 seconds in.
Why is there only one event on the seismic data sheet? William said there were two, and sometimes three explosions. Where are the others? This totally discredits William's explanation.That's rather the point, isn't it?
Also, in this paper or another (it's been a long time since I first read it) they attempted to integrate those times with ATC radar info to further refine the time mark.
The larger point is that Rodriguez' statement is corroborated by other data, making those of you crying "liar, liar, pants on fire" to be way off base.
If you seek liars, investigate those Pentagon officers who testified at the Commission. Some of the members wanted to bring perjury charges against those officers for changing the details of their stories so many times.
Where was the impact of the plane if the the explosion happened before it like you claim? There should be two seismic events!I can only speculate that the first explosions, one of which is described by Rodriguez and Gartenberg, were sufficient to trigger the seismograph? Subsequent explosions, those described by firemen and so many others, were much smaller?
Why is there only one event on the seismic data sheet? William said there were two, and sometimes three explosions. Where are the others? This totally discredits William's explanation.
No, YOU'RE missing the point.That's rather the point, isn't it?.
:lamo:lamoI say again Gam--perhaps subsequent explosions were too small to register on the seismographs. Get it?
Seismographs do not record automobile collisions or train wrecks or airplane collisions into buildings. They are designed to measure major events, see, and if any given explosion is too small, it won't meet the threshold. Is that really so difficult to understand?
The building absorbed the plane collision, as designed, and as discussed here several times at least. The structure swayed, and the force of impact was contained in the structure itself.
I thought you were an engineer?
I say again Gam--perhaps subsequent explosions were too small to register on the seismographs. Get it?
Seismographs do not record automobile collisions or train wrecks or airplane collisions into buildings. They are designed to measure major events, see, and if any given explosion is too small, it won't meet the threshold. Is that really so difficult to understand?
The building absorbed the plane collision, as designed, and as discussed here several times at least. The structure swayed, and the force of impact was contained in the structure itself.
I thought you were an engineer?
You fellows can weep and gnash your teeth as it suits you gents. I've seen and read Willy's testimony, and I understand exactly why it was taken behind closed doors at the Commission and then withheld from the final report. So do you.
:lamo:lamo
You mean to tell me that you believe there was no shockwave at all that went to the ground upon impact?!?!?
:lamo:lamo
Willy said to me on a conference call about 5 yrs ago that he heard thought were explosions... did not know what they were... but for sure he did not claim that he heard bombs.
It's likely that he heard electrical switch gear and or mechanical equipment explode caused by shorts when the plane severed electrical risers. That makes sense to me.
It's likely that he heard electrical switch gear and or mechanical equipment explode caused by shorts when the plane severed electrical risers. That makes sense to me.
Or that he had a brain malfunction and heard explosions going off in his head. That also makes sense when one doesn't want to accept the possibility that on 9/11 explosions could have never been caused by explosives.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?