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Which refutes your statement suggesting that there is a direct relationship between righteousness, being truthful, having integrity and having religion and its role models as some sort of compass. There isn't[/I
A person can be righteous, truthful and have have moral integrity without being religious or looking to religious role models. Likewise, a person can be a complete moral degenerate while accepting everything taught in the bible. There is simply no relationship between morality and a belief in god that states that one can't exist without the other. Do you have anything else to add?
It doesn't refute anything.
So sorry, there are no righteous unbelievers.
They can pursue honestly, integrity, and have good character, but those are in the eyes of man, not God.
You're trying too hard. If I can find a single atheist person acting with moral integrity, truthfully and righteously that is proof that you don't in fact need a relationship with any god to act with moral integrity and good character. :shrug:
That is utter nonsense. There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right. Hell, there are people who don't even believe in the same religion you do and they act in a morally correct manner. Do you want examples? :shrug:
You're still trying too hard, a person can have good character, integrity etc without a religious role model. What your god thinks about that is irrelevant. :shrug:
"There are million of people who are atheists and are virtuous/morally right." Really?
In whose eyes, yours? Well you don't get to establish what's right and moral, God does. So your conclusions are off base. Sorry to disappoint.
I think that how someone is aging isn't relevant to a discussion of his or her qualifications to be President.
It must be idyllic to live in a world where there's no sense of righteousness and no role models for truth and personal integrity; where the best leader one can come up with is a lying, corrupt, and self-aggrandizing has-been.
Absolutely. And I can criticize her as I please.
Yes, really.
Lol, you continue to try and squirm out of your words. What your god thinks of a person's morality is inconsequential to the discussion. A person can be moral and righteous without having a religion of any sort. Millions of atheists prove that every single day.
Believe whatever you want, but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.
Believe whatever you want,
but I have no doubt your 'moral' atheists will all have a whole new understanding of that come Judgment Day.
Why do you worship a god that would be so cruel and spiteful and toss good people into a lake of fire simply for not believing in him? How could you possibly allow yourself to align your moral compass to a figure that would send atheists to hell for no other reason than being atheist?
You need to read Romans chapters 1-4 so you can have a better understanding of what you think you know about that.
This isn't a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. Millions of atheists prove everyday that you don't need a religion to be moral or righteous. You don't even need the examples in the bible or christianity to do that. As a matter of fact, you can live your entire life unaware of the existence of the abrahamic god and still be moral. :shrug:
That didn't answer my question. Why do you specifically choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would kill innocent people for not worshiping him?
Not in God's eyes.
Romans 3:10
They're not innocent. All have sinned... - Romans 3:10
Have you folks ever read the Bible? If so why did you miss that one?
John 3:7
"Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous."
Ezekiel 18:5-9
“If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord God."
Proverbs 29:7
"A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge."
Etc., etc., etc.
So lets create this hypothetical person, this person is the nicest person in the world and did literally nothing wrong, except the only "sin" she has ever committed is that she doesn't worship your god. Do you think on that merit alone this person should go to hell. Or lets go with someone more real, the atheist firefighters who save people lives from burning buildings every day. The atheist police officers who protect and serve without ever once praying to god to protect them. The atheist men and women in the armed forces (like myself in due time) who fight for your freedom to worship any god you want do you think they too should go to hell for simply not believing in your god? Answer this very simple question please. Don't quote a bible scripture and do not sing a hymn. Use your own thought process and tell me why you choose to worship and derive your morals from a god that would send all these good people to hell?
Like the Bible says, "All have sinned..." - Romans 3:10
Of course I will vote for Hillary.
Why?
Because:
1. She will take global warming seriously. Her opponent won't.
2. She will protect and perhaps strengthen Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. Her opponent will try to weaken or destroy one or all of them.
3. She will protect the Dodd-Frank Act, which supplies at least a few restrictions on the Wall Street assholes who blew up the economy in 2008.
4. She will not cut taxes on the rich while cutting aid to the poor, which her opponent would try to do.
I don't love Hillary. I have many disagreements with her public policy stands. But compared to whoever the GOP will run against her, she's light years ahead of them.
Totally easy decision.
Until I know who's running and what their actual positions are I have no idea who I'm voting for.
Yes, it also says:
"Judge not, that you be not judged." - Matthew 7:1
“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone...” - John 8:7
I can cherrypick the Bible as easily as you.
Not in God's eyes
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