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Will the GOP have the nerve to cut spending in their own districts?

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You don't get it, man! When the GOP spends, it's not a waste. It's for the good of our nation. God bless the U.S.A. Amen.
 

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Seems like people want spending to be cut...just not in their districts.

Will the GOP cut jobs in their own districts? Or programs their voters want?

Read the articles.

Push to Cut Deficit Collides With Politics as Usual - WSJ.com

Everyone hates the deficit - but likes the spending - Yahoo! News
They need to try "not spending more than they already are" first - before they try cutting. It's called 'putting someone on a budget' - as opposed to 'tightening up the budget'

I've had to do both and you can't just dive successfully right into the cutting until you're use to *not spending more and more*

So I'd say the GOP - seeing as how they aren't responsible for the mega spending bills that have gone through recently - are doing exactly that. they are trying to cut the excess and stay in the current spending bracket.
 
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The GOP talks big about cutting, but I seriously doubt they will have the guts to cut jobs in their own districts. And what constitutes excess? Obama wants to cut government jobs producing NASA parts. Except that republicans have come out against it because it would cost their district jobs.

It's all fun and games until it's your district.
 

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History says no. One can argue the value of the spending programs created by each party in the last 30-40 years, but no matter how you look at the the deficit has only increased. The only President who managed to put a dent in the budget was Clinton which was due to a lucky combination of his own healthcare bill being defeated and the massive cuts the military he was able to make after the Cold War ended.
 

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Where are all of the "Kick the Dems Out" users?

Would you support reducing the deficit and debt if it cost you and many people you know their jobs?
 

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The GOP talks big about cutting, but I seriously doubt they will have the guts to cut jobs in their own districts. And what constitutes excess? Obama wants to cut government jobs producing NASA parts. Except that republicans have come out against it because it would cost their district jobs.

It's all fun and games until it's your district.
Just like with closing bases and posts (military) - No one wanted to be the bad guy and cut a town's only lifeline . . . they eventually had to have a comission advise on who should go and who should stay.

Having decisions up to the individuals leaves them bound - pro-growth, always . . . anti reduction, always.
 

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Just like with closing bases and posts (military) - No one wanted to be the bad guy and cut a town's only lifeline . . . they eventually had to have a comission advise on who should go and who should stay.

Having decisions up to the individuals leaves them bound - pro-growth, always . . . anti reduction, always.
Thats how I think its going to have to work. Make a commission and when they make a recommendation, put it to a non-vetoable vote.
 

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The GOP is playing politics. Saying what the people want to hear. Obama technically did the same thing in 2008, however in my opinion I think he actually believed what he was saying, that he could actually do the things he wanted to do, before he got in office and realised it wasn't going to be quite that easy, and politics had to be played, and played it was.

People honestly believe swinging the pendulum back and forth between asshole and asshole is gonna get anything done, they are fooling themselves down a river that will eventually lead to an ocean of lava...

A political overhaul is in order, proportional representation is the only way I think to fix your government so its more accountable, but that'll never happen. Republicans and Democrats would never dare give up their stranglehold on power, and if you the people tried to force that change to make things fair again, that's a dangerous thing and congress would move to crush such a move by force if nessecary, by labelling it a threat to American Democracy.

And therein lies the problem with those, especially conservatives that say they support small government, and that government is the tyrannical force, but yet supported the patriot act, one of the biggest increases in government since the 1940's I'd say. You realise, that with that act, what starts happening when congress, the president or the CIA and FBI, can just start calling whoever they want terrorists? You do realise that it could happen, that such a security apparatus could so easily be turned against you if things got bad?

If you're even suspected of Terrorism, or ties to terrorism you can be locked up indefinitely without trial, BUT HEY! We're in a war for gods sake! We all need to just lighten up! Because it's for the good of the troops! and it's what god and Jesus would have wanted!

And I know it seems like a bit of a rant I just want on but it all comes back to my ultimate point about the American electorate.

YOU WANT TO MUCH!
 

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Thank you for putting this thread out.

With the over saturation of political tv ads now there is a common theme of " Cutting out Reckless Spending".

Funny thing is that theme is used year after year but nothing ever gets done.

If they are serious they should be specific as to which program they intend to cut. Yes, show me one prostitute candidate that would suggest cutting out some of the 900 overseas bases.

The ads are nothing but bait and switch tactics.
 

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Short answer.. no.

They rallied against the stimulus and voted against it, and yet they sucked up as much stimulus money as possible and took credit for what that money gave...

I dont expect them to be any different in this aspect.. they will say "we will cut"... and once they have won... just add even more spending. It is how they always do.
 

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Thank you for putting this thread out.
The sheer hypocrisy was bothering me. Had to do it you know? Does anyone really see McConnell or Boehner voting for cuts in their own states that will cost their voters their jobs? Hell no. The GOP is pushing a platform that implicitly argues that every American voter is an idiot.

With the over saturation of political tv ads now there is a common theme of " Cutting out Reckless Spending"
Except it's never reckless when it's my job. lol.

If they are serious they should be specific as to which program they intend to cut. Yes, show me one prostitute candidate that would suggest cutting out some of the 900 overseas bases.

The ads are nothing but bait and switch tactics.
Forget the bases. Show me a single candidate that would point to a program in his or her state providing hundreds if not thousands of jobs and vote to cut it.
 

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Where are all of the "Kick the Dems Out" users?

Would you support reducing the deficit and debt if it cost you and many people you know their jobs?
Ae you really arguing that we need to accept deficits of $1.3 trillion forever. Do you really think whether it is republicans or democrats there is any choice but to cut into this deficit. What I would like to know is until 2008 deficits were running in the 200-300 billion range. So with a $15 trillion GDP debt was growing at essentially the same rate as the ecnomy so debt as a % of GDP was fairly constant. We are now running deficits in the 9-10% of GDP range.

I do not even know where are the money is being spent. We have a 3.8 billion budget where just a couple of years ago the budget was closer to 2.5 trillion.

As to cuts, how about the spending in Afghanistan and Iraq that is about $150 billion annually that I would love to stop spending immediately. The start with NATO and our bases in Europe, then Korea and Japan. Probably another $100 billion at a minimum. Then do some true cost savings in the medicare area, and adjust social security to account for changes in average lifespan. We can also mandate that medicare pay no more for drugs that Pharma charges Canada.

Do I think republicans or democrats want to do any of this, the answer is no. You are seeing in Europe what happens when you let debt/GDP get out of hand.
 

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Thank you for putting this thread out.

With the over saturation of political tv ads now there is a common theme of " Cutting out Reckless Spending".

Funny thing is that theme is used year after year but nothing ever gets done.

If they are serious they should be specific as to which program they intend to cut. Yes, show me one prostitute candidate that would suggest cutting out some of the 900 overseas bases.

The ads are nothing but bait and switch tactics.
Indeed! It's just worn out rhetoric.

So is "I'm going to Washing to clean up that mess!" - when really they just add *too* the mess by the shovelfull - nevermind trying to clean anything up.
 

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The GOP talks big about cutting, but I seriously doubt they will have the guts to cut jobs in their own districts. And what constitutes excess? Obama wants to cut government jobs producing NASA parts. Except that republicans have come out against it because it would cost their district jobs.

It's all fun and games until it's your district.
Yeah, the NASA thing is big down here, of course.

A company, when it wants to cut losses in hard times, fires people. The government will need to do the same thing to cut costs. Its hard and hurts people, but that's how money is saved. But its always nimby. Nobody is a Republican or Libertarian when their job is affected. Or a Democrat, of course.
 

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Yeah, the NASA thing is big down here, of course.

A company, when it wants to cut losses in hard times, fires people. The government will need to do the same thing to cut costs. Its hard and hurts people, but that's how money is saved. But its always nimby. Nobody is a Republican or Libertarian when their job is affected. Or a Democrat, of course.
Except when a Libertarian loses his job he goes and finds another one.
 

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Look, right now a lot of people (or atleast those who are paying attention) are frustraited with the Dems. Now, let's not forget the disaster of Bush 2nd, so understandibly many are also still uneasy about repubs. I think the Repubs may get another chance after the elections, BUT if they screw it up, either 2 things. (help me explain the 2nd one.) 1. The dems take back over power and we continue down the road to becoming more socialist, or 2, back to fighting back eachother in congress in gridlock.
 

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Now, that I got that out of the way, Obama is spending more money than we can imagine, but look at how much Bush spent too.
 
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