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Will the Dutch Be Next?

Are you freaking serious? You can say that of any representative democracy... including your own. The voices of say Montana are totally dwarfed by the voices of California.. or if we look at a state .. the voices of New York city totally dwarf the rest of the state...

Individual countries have given up their sovereignty to a commission. Individual states in the USA have far more say in their daily affairs.

Commissions over individual parliaments?
 
LOL for **** sake. Holland and Belgium was one of the most anti-Semitic nations and people in Europe before the rise of Hitler. Only the US and Sweden on a global basis were more anti-Semtic before Hitler got his groove on. Racism and bagitory have big roots in Dutch and Belgian society.. it was after all the Dutch that many say invented the African slave trade, and then there was that whole Congo thing for the Belgians.

It amazes me to this day the utter denial in western society over our anti-Semitism up to WW2 and in some places even after WW2. The US put in place immigration laws specifically targeting Jews long before Hitler even thought of running for office. The UK did not allow Jews to hold office, which was a problem when they elected a Jew as prime minister..

Complete nonsense. Can you truly be so uninformed?
 
Wilders influence is very real. And every terror attack strengthens it. Every rape, every beating, and all the perks of Muslim immigration.

Actually the last terror attack in Brussels did nothing to boost his popularity, his party peaked after the Paris terror attacks but has started to decline some in part to the Muslim mayor of Rotterdam who for some reason the PVV supporters actually like.
 
Individual countries have given up their sovereignty to a commission. Individual states in the USA have far more say in their daily affairs.

Commissions over individual parliaments?

In what way do states have more control over their affairs than European nations?
 
Complete nonsense. Can you truly be so uninformed?

Uninformed? Do you know about eugenics in the US? Where do you think Hitler got his ideas of a pure race? That the 1924 Immigration Act was designed to prevent people from high Jewish areas in Europe from immigrating to the US? That Ivy league schools had Jew quotas way up into the 1970s? You do know that Jews were not allowed to sit in parliament before 1858 in the UK right? Anti-semtism was ripe and wide spread long before Hitler was born and let alone came to power.
 
Actually the last terror attack in Brussels did nothing to boost his popularity, his party peaked after the Paris terror attacks but has started to decline some in part to the Muslim mayor of Rotterdam who for some reason the PVV supporters actually like.

Do I have to take your word for that, or can you prove it?
 
Uninformed? Do you know about eugenics in the US? Where do you think Hitler got his ideas of a pure race? That the 1924 Immigration Act was designed to prevent people from high Jewish areas in Europe from immigrating to the US? That Ivy league schools had Jew quotas way up into the 1970s? You do know that Jews were not allowed to sit in parliament before 1858 in the UK right? Anti-semtism was ripe and wide spread long before Hitler was born and let alone came to power.

Yes. I know all that. The 1924 act was intended to prevent many things. Nonetheless, there was no more fertile ground for violent, genocidal anti-Semitism than Germany.
 
Individual countries have given up their sovereignty to a commission.

The commission has zero power. The EU commission are pencil pushers that formulate the rules and laws on the behalf of the Council of Ministers,.. they are civil servants.

Individual states in the USA have far more say in their daily affairs.

HAHAHAH yea right! Now THAT is funny... and totally untrue. Do individual states have control over social laws, tax laws, justice laws, military, and forigen affairs?
 
Yes. I know all that. The 1924 act was intended to prevent many things. Nonetheless, there was no more fertile ground for violent, genocidal anti-Semitism than Germany.

Germany was fertile ground for this, not because it was more anti-semite than elsewhere, but that the German nation was hit the hardest by the economic crash of 1929 and the political upheaval after WW1. There was far more anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe btw, which is why populations there could care less about what the Germans did to their fellow citizens.
 
Germany was fertile ground for this, not because it was more anti-semite than elsewhere, but that the German nation was hit the hardest by the economic crash of 1929 and the political upheaval after WW1. There was far more anti-Semitism in Eastern Europe btw, which is why populations there could care less about what the Germans did to their fellow citizens.

I agree that the German Einsatzgruppen found helpers in eastern Europe, but Hitler won elections in Germany because of German anti-Semitism.
 
Anti-Semitism was a powerful support to his cause.
https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/9/1/0205_mayer.pdf

The prefacing abstract is in English, concluding that
The propa-
ganda focused on the main enemies of the National Socialists: Communism and the liberal
democracy – in this context, the anti-Semitism was negligible.
Takes nothing away from the Nazis being antisemites, just that this wasn't their main prop once they saw the chance of actually getting parliamentary power. In fact they'd been playing it down since the twenties on the realistic assessment that it would harm their cause if they ran on that ticket too vociferously.

There's no doubt that antisemitism pervaded German society to a large part but it wasn't a majority thing. Hitler didn't base his rise on it, realizing that it could be the door to failure.

Of course once he'd wrested sole power to himself he could afford to take the kid gloves off.
 
https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/9/1/0205_mayer.pdf

The prefacing abstract is in English, concluding that Takes nothing away from the Nazis being antisemites, just that this wasn't their main prop once they saw the chance of actually getting parliamentary power. In fact they'd been playing it down since the twenties on the realistic assessment that it would harm their cause if they ran on that ticket too vociferously.

There's no doubt that antisemitism pervaded German society to a large part but it wasn't a majority thing. Hitler didn't base his rise on it, realizing that it could be the door to failure.

Of course once he'd wrested sole power to himself he could afford to take the kid gloves off.

The Nazi party and Hitler were a reaction on the failure of the traditional center right parties and the rise of left wing parties in Germany. It had very little to do with anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism was ripe across the planet at the time and we to this day are in massive denial that it existed.
 
https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/9/1/0205_mayer.pdf

The prefacing abstract is in English, concluding that Takes nothing away from the Nazis being antisemites, just that this wasn't their main prop once they saw the chance of actually getting parliamentary power. In fact they'd been playing it down since the twenties on the realistic assessment that it would harm their cause if they ran on that ticket too vociferously.

There's no doubt that antisemitism pervaded German society to a large part but it wasn't a majority thing. Hitler didn't base his rise on it, realizing that it could be the door to failure.

Of course once he'd wrested sole power to himself he could afford to take the kid gloves off.

That's OK. My German is still pretty good. For Hitler, Marxism and Communism were the instruments of the Jews, and he said so directly. Moreover, his audience understood him that way.

[h=3]Excerpts from Mein Kampf | Jewish Virtual Library[/h]www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html


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... statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism. ... Mein Kampf (German, "My Struggle") is an autobiographical manifesto written by ...Fighting Jews as Defending God · ‎On the "Big Lie" · ‎On the Protocols of the Elders ...



[h=3]Adolf Hitler about the Jews - Quotes from Mein Kampf - Mosaisk Upps[/h]www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php



-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.


 
That's OK. My German is still pretty good. For Hitler, Marxism and Communism were the instruments of the Jews, and he said so directly. Moreover, his audience understood him that way.

[h=3]Excerpts from Mein Kampf | Jewish Virtual Library[/h]www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html


Jewish Virtual Library


... statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism. ... Mein Kampf (German, "My Struggle") is an autobiographical manifesto written by ...Fighting Jews as Defending God · ‎On the "Big Lie" · ‎On the Protocols of the Elders ...



[h=3]Adolf Hitler about the Jews - Quotes from Mein Kampf - Mosaisk Upps[/h]www.mosaisk.com/auschwitz/Adolf-Hitler-about-the-Jews.php



-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.


Yeah, but it (Mein Kampf) wasn't known to the majority of Germans. Up til the time after Hitler's "grabbing" of power, when free copies were widely distributed to households, it didn't sell all that well.
 
Yeah, but it (Mein Kampf) wasn't known to the majority of Germans. Up til the time after Hitler's "grabbing" of power, when free copies were widely distributed to households, it didn't sell all that well.

It was known well enough for people to understand what Hitler was talking about. We have our own "dog whistle" politics today.
 
Yeah, but it (Mein Kampf) wasn't known to the majority of Germans. Up til the time after Hitler's "grabbing" of power, when free copies were widely distributed to households, it didn't sell all that well.

[h=3]What role did anti-Semitism play in the rise to power of Hitler and[/h]www.academia.edu/.../Historical_Investigation_What_role_did_anti-Se...


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Historical Investigation: What role did anti-Semitism play in the rise to power of Hitler and the Nazis in the period 1924-1933. Uploaded by. Jenny Li. Views.






 
It was known well enough for people to understand what Hitler was talking about. We have our own "dog whistle" politics today.
You do realize that when the NSDAP gained only 2.6 pct of the vote in the election of 1928, that was mainly due to the more bourgeois factions of German society being turned off by the rabid Jew hatred that was part of the NSDAP's projected image?

And that the NSDAP, realizing this, piped the whole thing down to the point of never making any more mention of it until after the 1933 elections?

Edit: Nobody knows what the voters in 1933 thought they were voting for and whether or not they were electing a future anti-Jewish policy based on the experience they'd had with the NSDAP in years prior.

What is well documented though is that the NSDAP made no use of the issue after 1928. Therefore the take that a specific antisemitic program took them to their voter percentage in 1933 (the March election, not the November one) is at least questionable.
 
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So it looks there most likely will not be a Dutch referendum no matter what. It seems that the D66 who would most likely be in literally any coalition have said no to supporting a Nexit referendum even though they are the party of referendums.
 
Wilders influence is very real. And every terror attack strengthens it. Every rape, every beating, and all the perks of Muslim immigration.

So are people also terrified every time some Irish kid from Massachusetts or Iowa or Illinois rapes somebody?

Being terrified of an entire religion based on the actions of a few is sheer stupidity.
 
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