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Will Putler´s desperate attack on Belarus provoke WW3? Whats Trump is gonna do in this case?

Will Putler´s desperate attack on Belarus provoke WW3?

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    Votes: 5 83.3%

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Will Putler´s dying empire desperate attack on Belarus provoke WW3? Whats Trump is gonna do in this case?


" On Sept 10, 2001, I published a column about Belarus, the former Soviet republic squeezed between Russia and Europe. It described how the Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko was stealing elections, keeping tight control over the media and the economy, harassing political opponents and occasionally murdering them. Lukashenko, I wrote, was Europe’s longest-standing dictator. Yet only a few months earlier, President George W. Bush had given a rousing speech on the need for Europe, whole and free. “No more Yaltas,” he had said — meaning no more agreements like the one Roosevelt and Stalin signed in 1945, dividing Europe in half. Belarus loomed large as an obstacle blocking that dream.

The day after that column was published — Sept. 11, 2001 — two airplanes hit the World Trade Center, a third hit the Pentagon, a fourth crashed into a Pennsylvania field, and the U.S. president abandoned the quest for Europe, whole and free. In the nearly two decades that have passed since, nothing in Belarus has fundamentally changed at all. Lukashenko is still Europe’s longest-standing dictator. He is still harassing the opposition, manipulating the media and keeping the economy under careful control. He still stays in charge partly with the help of his large eastern neighbor, which provides him with generous energy subsidies.

But while Belarus stays the same, its large eastern neighbor is changing. In particular, the ambitions of Lukashenko’s fellow de facto dictator, Russian President Vladimir Putin, are growing. With his economy still weak and his popularity wavering, Putin has acquired a need for spectacular foreign policy successes. The warm glow that followed his occupation of Crimea has faded, his intervention in Syria is complicated, and it would take a real military effort to occupy more of Ukraine. Though he may eventually decide to make that effort, it’s also possible, in the meantime, that Russia will swallow Belarus.....

Lukashenko has already publicly dismissed Russian pressure as “blackmail,” and a Belarusian dissident told me that independent economists there believe Belarus could hold out, even if Russia uses its gas pipelines as a form of pressure. But she also agreed that a future Russian-Belarusian state can’t be ruled out: Lukashenko has stayed in power all of these decades because he is good at understanding which way the wind is blowing. If Russia makes him an offer he can’t refuse, then he won’t resist.

I can’t argue now, any more than I could have done in 2001, that Americans or Europeans can do much — or will do much — to affect this unfolding saga either way. If anything, the West has less influence now in Minsk than it once did, as well as less interest. More to the point, we now have an American president who has not only abandoned the dream of Europe, whole and free, but is also inclined to see Russia’s point of view on most issues. He began his term in office, curiously, with an odd interest in nonexistent Polish incursions into Belarus, and he has continued to echo Russian propaganda on subjects as varied as Montenegro and Afghanistan.

But our apathy has a price. It’s not just that Belarusians may be on the cusp of losing their independence; in addition, Moscow may be on the cusp of becoming, once again, a full-fledged imperial capital, absorbing and ruling over multiple countries. That will shape the Russian political elite’s thinking about itself, about its neighbors, about its place in the world. Putin once described the collapse of the Soviet Union as the greatest political catastrophe of the 20th century; it stands to reason that, in the 21st century, he would try to put it together again."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?utm_term=.1e6095b64500
 
Trump has been the most hardline US president since Ronald Reagan against Russia. Trump has worked to increase our oil and natural gas production to the highest possible levels, which in turn does great harm to Russia. That right there says it all.
 
Will Putler´s dying empire desperate attack on Belarus provoke WW3? Whats Trump is gonna do in this case?


" On Sept 10, 2001, I published a column about Belarus, the former Soviet republic squeezed between Russia and Europe. It described how the Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko was stealing elections, keeping tight control over the media and the economy, harassing political opponents and occasionally murdering them. Lukashenko, I wrote, was Europe’s longest-standing dictator. Yet only a few months earlier, President George W. Bush had given a rousing speech on the need for Europe, whole and free. “No more Yaltas,” he had said — meaning no more agreements like the one Roosevelt and Stalin signed in 1945, dividing Europe in half. Belarus loomed large as an obstacle blocking that dream.

The day after that column was published — Sept. 11, 2001 — two airplanes hit the World Trade Center, a third hit the Pentagon, a fourth crashed into a Pennsylvania field, and the U.S. president abandoned the quest for Europe, whole and free. In the nearly two decades that have passed since, nothing in Belarus has fundamentally changed at all. Lukashenko is still Europe’s longest-standing dictator. He is still harassing the opposition, manipulating the media and keeping the economy under careful control. He still stays in charge partly with the help of his large eastern neighbor, which provides him with generous energy subsidies.

But while Belarus stays the same, its large eastern neighbor is changing. In particular, the ambitions of Lukashenko’s fellow de facto dictator, Russian President Vladimir Putin, are growing. With his economy still weak and his popularity wavering, Putin has acquired a need for spectacular foreign policy successes. The warm glow that followed his occupation of Crimea has faded, his intervention in Syria is complicated, and it would take a real military effort to occupy more of Ukraine. Though he may eventually decide to make that effort, it’s also possible, in the meantime, that Russia will swallow Belarus.....

Lukashenko has already publicly dismissed Russian pressure as “blackmail,” and a Belarusian dissident told me that independent economists there believe Belarus could hold out, even if Russia uses its gas pipelines as a form of pressure. But she also agreed that a future Russian-Belarusian state can’t be ruled out: Lukashenko has stayed in power all of these decades because he is good at understanding which way the wind is blowing. If Russia makes him an offer he can’t refuse, then he won’t resist.

I can’t argue now, any more than I could have done in 2001, that Americans or Europeans can do much — or will do much — to affect this unfolding saga either way. If anything, the West has less influence now in Minsk than it once did, as well as less interest. More to the point, we now have an American president who has not only abandoned the dream of Europe, whole and free, but is also inclined to see Russia’s point of view on most issues. He began his term in office, curiously, with an odd interest in nonexistent Polish incursions into Belarus, and he has continued to echo Russian propaganda on subjects as varied as Montenegro and Afghanistan.

But our apathy has a price. It’s not just that Belarusians may be on the cusp of losing their independence; in addition, Moscow may be on the cusp of becoming, once again, a full-fledged imperial capital, absorbing and ruling over multiple countries. That will shape the Russian political elite’s thinking about itself, about its neighbors, about its place in the world. Putin once described the collapse of the Soviet Union as the greatest political catastrophe of the 20th century; it stands to reason that, in the 21st century, he would try to put it together again."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?utm_term=.1e6095b64500

My goombah Dr. Justin O. Peewillie is an expert at delusional thought processes, both by personal demons and challenges and professional clients. Now, you seem to be tightly wrapped or not, and your absolutely collective concept of matters on no import or creative fantasy give a universal relationship to quantum naught concepts. If you are consistently troubled or not by dreams and fantasies, there's always physical or electroshock therapy. The old crank phones used by the CIA for testicular stimulation might give you relief. Whatever, you've certainly wrapped up the events of discussion precisely and inaccurately. Don't quit your day job.
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Trump has been the most hardline US president since Ronald Reagan against Russia. Trump has worked to increase our oil and natural gas production to the highest possible levels, which in turn does great harm to Russia. That right there says it all.

why olgino trolls and TV.ru dont not attack Trump in the way they have attacked Obama in this case?


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ps Reagan ´d ruin putler´s gas -station in 4 weeks , SWIFT, North- stream etc.
 
Trump is attacked quite a bit in terms of Russia. Did Obama piss himself in the presence of Putin or Medvedev? Absolutely he did, he told Medvedev to tell Putin that he would have more freedom or leverage after the election.
 
Trump is attacked quite a bit in terms of Russia. Did Obama piss himself in the presence of Putin or Medvedev? Absolutely he did, he told Medvedev to tell Putin that he would have more freedom or leverage after the election.

i do understand Muscovite old-Bulgarian language , i have never seen such brutal hybrid attack (Obama , Clinton) on any foreign political leader before . nothing close to how and what TV.ru/trolls treat Trump today

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https://www.cnet.com/news/congress-releases-all-3000-plus-facebook-ads-bought-by-russians/
https://www.cnet.com/pictures/the-nine-types-of-facebook-ads-that-russian-trolls-paid-for/
 
The troll attacks on Trump are due to the fact that the leftist (democrat) media has gone all in for democrat party talking points. These attacks are perhaps unprecedented in every way.
 
The troll attacks on Trump are due to the fact that the leftist (democrat) media has gone all in for democrat party talking points. These attacks are perhaps unprecedented in every way.

bunch of armatures, who write things in which they believe. nothing compere to this




 
My goombah Dr. Justin O. Peewillie is an expert at delusional thought processes, both by personal demons and challenges and professional clients. Now, you seem to be tightly wrapped or not, and your absolutely collective concept of matters on no import or creative fantasy give a universal relationship to quantum naught concepts. If you are consistently troubled or not by dreams and fantasies, there's always physical or electroshock therapy. The old crank phones used by the CIA for testicular stimulation might give you relief. Whatever, you've certainly wrapped up the events of discussion precisely and inaccurately. Don't quit your day job.
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This flight of fantasy brought to you by the Putin Protection System and supported by RT.com and SPUTNIK...
 
The troll attacks on Trump are due to the fact that the leftist (democrat) media has gone all in for democrat party talking points. These attacks are perhaps unprecedented in every way.
what do you think?

Pressure is mounting across the country, with growing anger at local governors appointed by the Kremlin and resentment that Moscow appropriates their resources. Indeed, regions such as Sakha and Magadan in the far east, with their substantial mineral wealth, could be successful states without Moscow’s exploitation.

Emerging states will benefit from forging closer economic and political contacts with neighboring countries rather than depending on Moscow, whose federal budget is drastically shrinking. Collapsing infrastructure means that residents of Siberia and Russia’s far east will become even more separated from the center, thus encouraging demands for secession and sovereignty.

Given Russia’s ailments, an assertive Western approach would be more effective than reactive defense. Washington needs to return to core principles that accompanied the collapse of the Soviet Union by supporting democratization, pluralism, minority rights, genuine federalism, decentralization and regional self-determination among Russia’s disparate regions and ethnic groups.

While Moscow seeks to divide the West and fracture the EU and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) by backing nationalist and separatist parties in Europe, Washington should promote regional and ethnic self-determination inside the Russian Federation. This would send a strong signal that the West is fully capable of reacting to Moscow’s subversion.

The rationale for dissolution should be logically framed: In order to survive, Russia needs a federal democracy and a robust economy; with no democratization on the horizon and economic conditions deteriorating, the federal structure will become increasingly ungovernable.

To manage the process of dissolution and lessen the likelihood of conflict that spills over state borders, the West needs to establish links with Russia’s diverse regions and promote their peaceful transition toward statehood.

NATO should prepare contingencies for both the dangers and the opportunities that Russia’s fragmentation will present. In particular, Moscow’s European neighbors must be provided with sufficient security to shield themselves from the most destabilizing scenarios while preparations are made for engaging with emerging post-Russia entities.

Some regions could join countries such as Finland, Ukraine, China and Japan, from whom Moscow has forcefully appropriated territories in the past. Other republics in the North Caucasus, Middle Volga, Siberia and the far east could become fully independent states and forge relations with China, Japan, the U.S. and Europe.

Neglecting Russia’s dissolution may prove more damaging to Western interests than making preparations to manage its international repercussions. To avoid sudden geopolitical jolts and possible military confrontations, Washington needs to monitor and encourage a peaceful rupture and establish links with emerging entities.

The sudden collapse of the Soviet Union should serve as a lesson that far-reaching transformations occur regardless of the Kremlin’s disinformation campaigns or the West’s shortsighted adherence to a transient status quo. "
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/344237-managing-russia-s-dissolution.html
 
We're not fighting WWIII over Belarus....




Remember: we didn't fight WWII even though it looked for a while like Germany was going to conquer Europe. We didn't fight it to stop the holocaust. We only fought it because Japan for some reason bombed us. We won't be starting the third because Putin is throwing his weight around and he knows it.
 
why olgino trolls and TV.ru dont not attack Trump in the way they have attacked Obama in this case?


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ps Reagan ´d ruin putler´s gas -station in 4 weeks , SWIFT, North- stream etc.

Wouldn't that question be better aimed at a Russian forum? I have no idea why they do it. I object to it as an American, but can find no reason or hint it was caused or helped by us. Maybe, they just didn't like him, for whatever reason.
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i think that when they start having problems with snowballs in Panama the crisis will be upon us, eh?
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Why is it?
 
Flint Michigan hasn't seen clean water since 2014. Instead of fixing anything, Gov. Snyder and Obama initiated military excersizes in Flint, including destroying buildings and dropping bombs. Trump hasn't done anything about it. So, I highly doubt WW3 would start over Belarus, if it hasn't started already. The Pope Francis stated we are fighting a piecemeal WW3 around the globe. Me, personally, I think WW3 began the day NATO decided to bomb the **** out of Yugoslavia.
 
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