Will Dems Make Good on Promises? (1 Viewer)

[CurrentAffairs]

Now that the Dems control congress, it will be interesting to see if they make good on some of their promises.

For instance, will they seek to impeach the President. Nope. Howard Dean said today that their will be no investigation or impeachment. Funny, it's only now that he must admit that the idea was baseless and not possible. Too bad for the constituents who actually believed them when they made it part of their platform.

Or how about electronic voting? Will they follow up on this highly suspicious method? Funny how they let this go the minute they won.

 

[jfuh]

Now that the Dems control congress, it will be interesting to see if they make good on some of their promises.

For instance, will they seek to impeach the President. Nope. Howard Dean said today that their will be no investigation or impeachment. Funny, it's only now that he must admit that the idea was baseless and not possible. Too bad for the constituents who actually believed them when they made it part of their platform.

Or how about electronic voting? Will they follow up on this highly suspicious method? Funny how they let this go the minute they won.

Will Replublicans get over that they lost?

 

[Rhapsody1447]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

 

[jfuh]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

It's not interesting at all. Since the GOP overtook congress in '94 there was a massive redistricting of all the states to insure incumbancy. So yes, it is surprising that so many seats were lost.

Secondly, the GOP are not a party of conservatives - why? They don't conserve anything, intrude into personal lives to dictate this and that, and take away rights as well as spending more then is available and living on deficit. There's nothing conservative about the GOP, so refrain from referencing them as conservatives. They are simply party apologetic republicans first and foremost.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

Almost every 6 years??? Democrats had held power for over 40 years prior to 1994. The only reason why you did not loose more house seats was that the House districts had been so gerrymandered by the Republicans in Statehouses over the last few years. In fact, I can remember Tom Delay predicting that due to all the redistricting, Republicans would hold the House for ever.

Moreover, you did not just loose congress, you lost at all levels of government. You lost the majority of the Statehouses and the majority of the Governorships.

 

[Kandahar]

Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

I beg to differ. The Democrats GAINED seats in 1998.

And I agree with jfuh; the biggest difference between this election and previous ones is that the gerrymandering has become much more shameless and high-tech. Which illustrates the need for nonpartisan redistricting...or at least redistricting done by someone other than the people whose jobs are at stake.

 

[Iriemon]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

Perhaps true, as in 1998 the Democrats didn't actually lose seats but gained them.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Will Replublicans get over that they lost?

I'm already over it. In fact, I predicted it. Will you have anything to add to the thread's topic? Here, let me help you refocus. What must democratic constituents think knowing that impeachement will not happen? It was such a part of their platform and now it's off the table. Or... What about electronic voting? This was ahuge deal 5 days ago. Why are the Dems dropping all of their suspicions of voter suppression and tampering?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I'm already over it. In fact, I predicted it. Will you have anything to add to the thread's topic? Here, let me help you refocus. What must democratic constituents think knowing that impeachement will not happen? It was such a part of their platform and now it's off the table. Or... What about electronic voting? This was ahuge deal 5 days ago. Why are the Dems dropping all of their suspicions of voter suppression and tampering?

They have not even taken office yet. So what is your point. If by say Feburary, you have heard nothing out of the congressional Dems on electronic voting, then you will have a complaint.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

They have not even taken office yet. So what is your point. If by say Feburary, you have heard nothing out of the congressional Dems on electronic voting, then you will have a complaint.

That's a good point, but it was looming issue several days ago. Have they lost their concern for whether it was a fair election? They were quite nervous about it 5 days ago. I guess their fears were alleviated somehow, huh?

 

[jfuh]

I'm already over it. In fact, I predicted it. Will you have anything to add to the thread's topic? Here, let me help you refocus. What must democratic constituents think knowing that impeachement will not happen? It was such a part of their platform and now it's off the table. Or... What about electronic voting? This was ahuge deal 5 days ago. Why are the Dems dropping all of their suspicions of voter suppression and tampering?

Impeachment was part of the election platform? That's news to me, perhaps you can show me of the candidate/s that ran on that platform?
The fact that you are still babling off clearly shows you're not over it at all and are quite bitter about loosing - which is why you have also started this thread.

 

[aps]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

LOL Guess that eases your pain?



To CurrentAffairs, I don't remember Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi ever saying they were going to impeach him. Which Democrats said that? Can you please provide at least a couple of names? If that's a promise that a Democrat made that they don't keep, I would be fully support that.

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't know if there is much the Democrats can do. With the exception of starting to hold investigations on the years of lies and deceits the American people have been told by the criminal Administration. If they enact controversial legislation, Bush will veto. Then they will need help from the other side to over-ride it. They do not have a 2/3's majority.

I know one thing. If they don't start having investigations on all the illegal activity the Bush Administration has been doing for the last 6 years, then it's time to put some heat on the Democrats. Just like we did with the Republicans. If they [the Dems] screw this up, 2008 will go to the Republicans.

So heiness are the laws President Bush has broke, if nothing is done about seeking justice, then we need to vote out every single incumbant at the next election. And continue to vote out incumbants until they catch the f.ucking clue, "They work for us!"

Rumsfield, Alberto Gonzales and Karl Rove all need to be arrested and charged with Crimes Against Humanity. If you want to stop terrorism, that's your first step. Bring justice and accountability back to the United States.

When is a Crime so Great it Shouldn’t be Acknowledged?
by Robert Shetterly

Before the votes were even counted, a strange chorus arose, like toads from the swamp, from every point on the Democratic compass --- so persistent, one might even think it choreographed --- croaking in a dire basso, “Now’s the time to work on fulfilling the Democrats agenda, not the time to hold anyone accountable for the massive corruption or the extraordinary lies that got us into this mess.” Let’s be moderate, let’s be wise, the toads all intoned, let’s don’t disintegrate into partisan bickering about who’s responsible. And, pullleeeease, don’t even utter the word impeachment. No, no, no, let’s repeal the tax cuts for the rich, raise the minimum wage, enact universal health care, raise the mileage on our cars, sign on to the Kyoto Protocol, reduce the debt, fund our schools, fix social security, and work in a bi-partisan way toward an exit strategy from Iraq. All very sensible. Every single one of those things needs to be fought for if we want to have economic and social justice.

But, that’s not enough. I thought one of the corner stones of our democratic republic was the rule of law. Transparency. Accountability. We hold people accountable so every bozo with a zip gun won’t stick up a 7-11 for fifty bucks or start a pre-emptive war by lying to the people. We sent a Japanese soldier to prison for twenty-five years after WW II for waterboarding a United States soldier; we hung Adolph Eichmann. I’m trying to imagine what our response would have been after that war if the Nazis had said, “Look, we lost the war, our cities are rubble, our people starving, we have no infrastructure, don’t waste your money on some stupid, inflammatory trials at Nuremberg about the people who started this war or thought the Holocaust was a cool idea. Sure, mistakes were made, but let’s just get on with re-building.” Very sensible.

Massive crimes have been committed. Our administration has ridden roughshod on our Constitution as though it were a hobbled and blind cow. What-might-have-been looks like a bomb crater. So irresponsible and massive are the crimes that the perpetrators have changed the laws to avoid being held accountable for crimes against humanity. So irresponsible that their failure to act to mitigate global warming endangers the very survival of human life on our planet. Hundreds of thousands of people are unnecessarily dead, many more hundreds of thousands maimed and wounded. The incredible debt undermines our economy and will plague our children. When is a crime so great that it shouldn’t be acknowledged? Or prosecuted? Do we pat Rummy & Dickie & Georgie & Connie on the butt and send them to the bench with a, “Nice game, kids. Let’s all be good sports and let someone else have a go at it”? Live and let live.

Behind all the outrageous events of this era --- Iraq, global warming, the debt, election fraud, war profiteering, failure to create alternative energies, species extinction --- is a culture of non-accountability, cronyism, and obscene profit. How will it stop? Raising the minimum wage by $1.50 over three years might not do it. Arrogance, deceit and blatant crime are responsible for these crises. Not poor execution. Accountability is the way out. There is no reason why we can’t pass fair, life-saving legislation at the same time. We can walk and chew gum. We have grown so accustomed to living in a world of euphemism and double speak, so accustomed to not calling reality by its name, that we think there is no reality except what we can get away with, the reality that sells the product or “develops the resource.” Not true. Nature won’t be fooled. And we only imperil ourselves and our cherished institutions if we don’t hold ourselves accountable. It’s not about partisan revenge, it’s about naming the crime. Some very bad people have broken our laws, dashed our hopes, mortgaged our futures, broken our hearts, and betrayed our country. They need to pay the piper. If we don’t hold them accountable, who will we allow to hold us accountable for making things right?

It’s a platitude to say that political progress is the art of compromise. We compromise in order to share as much justice and opportunity as evenly as we can. But when great crimes have been committed by our elected leaders, we shouldn’t compromise with our sense of justice. It’s hard to admit because as citizens we are responsible, too. But that responsibility demands an accounting, demands an earning back of national integrity by investigating the depth of the crimes. That’s called maturity. Our leaders have inflicted an enormous trauma on Iraq and on us. We will all be much healthier if we heal by inquiry and justice rather than repression.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Now that the Dems control congress, it will be interesting to see if they make good on some of their promises.

Or how about electronic voting? Will they follow up on this highly suspicious method? Funny how they let this go the minute they won.

Yeah, it's been 6 whole days. :roll:

Uh, Dems take office in January. I would definitely expect to see legislation addressing electronic voting.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Yeah, it's been 6 whole days. :roll:

Uh, Dems take office in January. I would definitely expect to see legislation addressing electronic voting.

That's fine. I'm all for it. But this thread isn't about addressing it in the future, is it? It's about all the noise democrats were making with regard to THIS election. Why was the 'stolen election' rhetoric suddenly dropped, hipster?

 

[Stinger]

It's not interesting at all. Since the GOP overtook congress in '94 there was a massive redistricting of all the states to insure incumbancy.

No more or less than before.

So yes, it is surprising that so many seats were lost.

Not at all, in fact it is surprising the Dems didn't take more seats.

Secondly, the GOP are not a party of conservatives - why? They don't conserve anything,

I would expect such a level of intelligence in a post from a high schooler.


So when will the immediate pull out from Iraq begin?

 

[Stinger]

To CurrentAffairs, I don't remember Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi ever saying they were going to impeach him. Which Democrats said that? Can you please provide at least a couple of names? If that's a promise that a Democrat made that they don't keep, I would be fully support that.

If he has done everything they claimed why would the hesitate?

 

[Navy Pride]

LOL Guess that eases your pain?



To CurrentAffairs, I don't remember Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi ever saying they were going to impeach him. Which Democrats said that? Can you please provide at least a couple of names? If that's a promise that a Democrat made that they don't keep, I would be fully support that.

John Conyers the chairman of the Ethics committee has said it over and over..........Its even on his web site........

 

[hipsterdufus]

That's fine. I'm all for it. But this thread isn't about addressing it in the future, is it? It's about all the noise democrats were making with regard to THIS election. Why was the 'stolen election' rhetoric suddenly dropped, hipster?

I disagree that the issue has been dropped. In fact, I think some crazy stuff went on in Virginia and Montana - the only states where the exit polls were off. Plus in Katherine Harris' district 18,000 people who voted didn't vote for Congress? - What they showed up for a ballot initiative for school board?

Progressive talk and the liberal blogs are all over this issue.

Give us a week to gloat first (-:

 

[hipsterdufus]

John Conyers the chairman of the Ethics committee has said it over and over..........Its even on his web site........

I know Conyers will hold hearings but he doesn't have the power to call for impeachment.

 

[Stinger]

I know Conyers will hold hearings but he doesn't have the power to call for impeachment.

Yes he does have the power to call for an impeachment, he will be the chairman of the committee in fact. Whether he will get it is another story, but he can certainly call for it and schedule committee hearings on it.

 

[Navy Pride]

I know Conyers will hold hearings but he doesn't have the power to call for impeachment.

We shall see.............Conyers is a real nut and he hates Bush......

 

[jfuh]

No more or less than before.

Do you as I support independent panal to re-district then? You know, ppl who are not going to be elected to set up the districting?

Not at all, in fact it is surprising the Dems didn't take more seats.

Based on what?

I would expect such a level of intelligence in a post from a high schooler.

Takes one to know one wouldn't it? But perhaps you could show just where my premise is flawed or untrue perhaps? Certainly with such a high level of intelligence as yours it should be pretty easy.

So when will the immediate pull out from Iraq begin?

You are such a bullshit pathologic liar. Show me anywhere where I have ever called for the immediate withdraw from Iraq. You really have no points of your own except for the rhetoric of your party apologetics.

 

[Goobieman]

No one is really suprised jfuh, not only was it predicted weeks in advance (even by conservatives) almost every 6 year election, the incumbent party was overtaken. Interesting fact is that this is the least amount of seats a party has lost in a 6 year election in over 60 years. (2 Term Presidents)

What was the GOP reaction to the 2006 election?
"We need to see what went wrong and figure out how to fix it"

What was the Dem reaction to the 2000/2002/2004 election?
"Those f---ing Jesus Freaks! How can they be so stupid not to vote for us!?"

All you really need to know.

 

[Stinger]

Do you as I support independent panal to re-district then? You know, ppl who are not going to be elected to set up the districting?

No we elect representitives to form districts. I don't believe in government by appoint non-accountable commissions. Do you?

Based on what?

Past historical trends.

You >> Secondly, the GOP are not a party of conservatives - why? They don't conserve anything,

Me>>
Originally Posted by Stinger
I would expect such a level of intelligence in a post from a high schooler.

Takes one to know one wouldn't it?

Wouldn't know.

But perhaps you could show just where my premise is flawed or untrue perhaps?

I really wouldn't care to waste my time over such a sophomoric statement.

You are such a bullshit pathologic liar.

Since there is no evidence to bact up such an assertion I can only surmise that your emotions are getting to you. Stick with the issues and the facts, if you can rebut what I post then do so, but it you can't then simply admit it and refrain from your personal attacks. Attack the post not the poster.

Show me anywhere where I have ever called for the immediate withdraw from Iraq.

I'm asking you when it will begin. If the war is illegal, immoral, unwinnable, making things worse, creating more terrorist than we can kill, why stay a minute longer?

You really have no points of your own except for the rhetoric of your party apologetics.

What party is that I vote independent, do you think assigning me to the Republican party somehow bouys your arguements?

The Dems are in power, you have what you want, now what will they do? If they have been honest in their rhetoric for the past 3 years then why stay a minute longer in Iraq?

Seems to me you guys got what you wanted and now don't want what you got.