Will Delta Variant Cause Spike in US Cases?

[jpn]

Actually the majority of those refusing the vaccine are a segment of our population we would be much better off without. Let the trumpers protest to their last breath.

The modern-day version of culling the herd.

 

[Mongidig]

It’s going to be a very dark winter!

 

[Ginger Ale]

What if people refuse?
What should be the penalty?
Surely you would not support restraining them while they are force inoculated.

What if people refuse?
What should be the penalty?
Surely you would not support restraining them while they are force inoculated.

I would think it would be the same as it is for the kids. If places require a vaccine, you can't go there. You can just do it at home.
If you're a nurse, and don't want it, don't work at the hospital taking care of the vulnerable. Etc.

 

[Sagittarius83]

I would think it would be the same as it is for the kids. If places require a vaccine, you can't go there. You can just do it at home.
If you're a nurse, and don't want it, don't work at the hospital taking care of the vulnerable. Etc.

Ok, what if a private club or any private business decides that they won’t require proof of a vaccine or a negative COVID test.
Should those places face fines or criminal prosecution?

 

[Sagittarius83]

The modern-day version of culling the herd.

Humans face no predators outside of microorganisms and each other.

All other animals do and their herds are strengthened by the culling.

Covid is not culling the herd. 5 out of 10 thousand deaths, most of them toward the end of life, barely makes a dent in the overall population increase.

Soon it will be 10 billion of us all competing for limited resources.

It is likely that war and the resultant rise of diseases that always arise from wars will do the culling.

 

[snakestretcher]

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New cases of COVID-19 have been declining steadily in the US and Europe for the past month. The main exception is Great Britain, which has seen a rising case rate for the past three weeks thanks to stalling vaccination rates and the fast spreading Delta variant of the virus.​

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The US is in good shape right now, but there's every reason to think we may follow in Britain's footsteps soon. The Delta variant already has a foothold here, and vaccination rates have plummeted to less than half the level of most other countries.​

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It's insane. Here we are, in the middle of the deadliest pandemic in a century, but this time we actually have a vaccine that can crush it completely. Huzzah! Except that so many of us refuse to take it that the virus is getting a second lease on life. I wonder what our grandparents, who could only pray for such a thing during the Spanish flu, would think of us if they could see what's happening today?​

Criminal stupidity. Thanks Republicans.

Wait and see; Delta is spiking in some areas of Britain-but the news we're hearing is that, although much more transmissible than the Alpha virus, it appears to be no more lethal and current vaccines appear to be effective against it.
Furthermore 96% of all new Covid cases are from Delta, and those who are unvaccinated...

COVID-19: Almost all of UK's coronavirus cases are Delta as variant infections rise by more than 33,000 in a week

A total of 423 people have been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant since last week, health officials have said.

news.sky.com

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Matt Hancock says Delta variant accounts for 96% of new UK Covid cases – video

The health secretary tells the House of Commons that the spread of the variant led the government to delay step four of its roadmap for easing restrictions in England

www.theguardian.com

This is not good news; anti-vaxxers beware. Delta is many times more easily transmissible than Alpha, and it's the young who are exhibiting growing numbers of cases of infection.

Youth, Delta variant behind UK COVID surge

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[The AntiDonald]

It's not over, it's just the eye of the hurricane. Only those whoa are delusional think this is pandemic has come to and end.

In Arizona, with less than half it's population vaccinated and no precautions what so ever,

He's even actively preventing precautions.
( PHOENIX — Gov. Doug Ducey has forbade public universities and community colleges from requiring that students and staff wear masks and get tested regularly for covid-19.https://www.havasunews.com/news/arizona/gov-ducey-blocks-arizona-public-universities-from-mask-covid-test-requirements/article_8128d94c-ce6f-11eb-82dd-9f0b4504c0e6.html )

will see the increase in fall, but still won't do anything about it. It's a helpless feeling in these red states, and in mine Ducey might as well be Trump or worse, as he is making sure we do not benefit from any change in the WH.

It feels like a different country. I'm starting to see the flaws with letting states do their own thing in the interest of politics, and not the quality of human life. What should I do as an American who feels like their government is Brazilian?

VOTE these morons out of office. Aside from moving to a well governed blue state, I don't see any other option. If you've been fully vaccinated, you've done your part. No one can fix stupid.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Ok, what if a private club or any private business decides that they won’t require proof of a vaccine or a negative COVID test.
Should those places face fines or criminal prosecution?

No. People would just take their chances. The public would know that they aren't safe there.

Hospitals, schools, public transport, and the like guarantee a certain amount of safety for the public but a private club can do what they would like. If it doesn't hurt their business, or if they gain the business of those who aren't vaccinated then that's their call.

What's odd is that a governor, like mine, who would prevent a state university from requiring safety precautions. For years it has mandated vaccines for entry, measles, etc. These communicable diseases are a hazard for public institutions such as universities, but when it comes to one of the most transmissible, and deadly viruses, they cannot. They are now prevented from doing so for political reasons.

 

[Ginger Ale]

The modern-day version of culling the herd.

More like mass suicide isn't it? They're volunteering to die for a political cause because they feel they're immune to this viruses effects.

Culling of the heard would be the opposite. My governor is doing a bang up job of it in our state. Preventing businesses, and public institutions from setting up safety protocols and just letting the weak, and old die off instead. Our high death count is worth the money. Like he stated in a briefing, cutting off benefits will encourage people to risk their lives for their job at the grocery store.

 

[jpn]

More like mass suicide isn't it? They're volunteering to die for a political cause because they feel they're immune to this viruses effects.

Culling of the heard would be the opposite. My governor is doing a bang up job of it in our state. Preventing businesses, and public institutions from setting up safety protocols and just letting the weak, and old die off instead. Our high death count is worth the money. Like he stated in a briefing, cutting off benefits will encourage people to risk their lives for their job at the grocery store.

It's right in line with Republicans refusing to expand Medicaid in their states. It would boost the economy, provide good paying jobs for tens of thousands of residents, and ease the suffering of hundreds of thousands of people. All at the cost of 10 cents on the dollar. But Republicans refuse because they hate Obama and they hate the idea that people will learn that government can deliver good things that private enterprise cannot.

Amazing.

 

[rickc]

It's right in line with Republicans refusing to expand Medicaid in their states. It would boost the economy, provide good paying jobs for tens of thousands of residents, and ease the suffering of hundreds of thousands of people. All at the cost of 10 cents on the dollar. But Republicans refuse because they hate Obama and they hate the idea that people will learn that government can deliver good things that private enterprise cannot.

Amazing.

Why Republicans hate Medicade, welfare in any form and our entitlement programs.

The wealthy elite has spent 100's of millions of dollars on lobbiest and politicians to eliminate taxes of the rich. They want nothing to change that. Mitch McConnell is their bulwark in congress these days.

 

[JerryW]

There's a definite uptick in hospitalizations in areas with low rates of vaccinations.

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As for "should vaccinations be mandated?" No, not across the US in general.

Should employers mandate vaccinations? Definitely, if their employees are unmasked and social distancing isn't provided, and they want my business.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

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New cases of COVID-19 have been declining steadily in the US and Europe for the past month. The main exception is Great Britain, which has seen a rising case rate for the past three weeks thanks to stalling vaccination rates and the fast spreading Delta variant of the virus.​

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The US is in good shape right now, but there's every reason to think we may follow in Britain's footsteps soon. The Delta variant already has a foothold here, and vaccination rates have plummeted to less than half the level of most other countries.​

​

It's insane. Here we are, in the middle of the deadliest pandemic in a century, but this time we actually have a vaccine that can crush it completely. Huzzah! Except that so many of us refuse to take it that the virus is getting a second lease on life. I wonder what our grandparents, who could only pray for such a thing during the Spanish flu, would think of us if they could see what's happening today?​

Criminal stupidity. Thanks Republicans.

So far the numbers aren't clear enough to form more than a hint of a possibility of a tentative conclusion, BUT it looks sort of like the UK case numbers are going up while the death numbers are going down.

Possibly this is the result of the "Delta Variant" picking on a younger age cohort that is more able to withstand the disease (but that's only an EWAG at this point).

However, what IS apparent is that the UK is moving up (slightly) with respect to "Covid Burden"

(More charts and graphs at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19)​

 

[PeteEU]

Simple answer.. yes, and it is obvious where it will happen... Red states among anti-vaxxer Trump supporters.

Supposedly in the UK, the infections are in areas with low vaccination rates. Is it true that it is in the Asian areas of the UK that the problem is?... could be, as those areas have traditionally resisted governments run by the Conservatives... but can we trust an UK government that has been consistently .... liberal? vague? with the truth and information.. not sure about the right word for it... Case in point, European regulators and doctors were getting more and more worried about the AstraZenca vaccine and blood clots. The UK government dismissed this, until the number of cases around Europe became too much to ignore. And then suddenly the UK government announced a huge number (relatively speaking) of cases with blood clots.

One thing for sure... it is shocking what is going on in the UK. A little over a week ago, the numbers in the UK was around 1000 new cases a day. Now it is 10k a day. If hospitalisations go up in the same numbers, then holy shit.

So there is no doubt that the Delta variant will spread like wildfire in non vaccinated areas regardless of the country, especially if there is no social distancing and mask and so on.

 

[snakestretcher]

Simple answer.. yes, and it is obvious where it will happen... Red states among anti-vaxxer Trump supporters.

Supposedly in the UK, the infections are in areas with low vaccination rates. Is it true that it is in the Asian areas of the UK that the problem is?... could be, as those areas have traditionally resisted governments run by the Conservatives... but can we trust an UK government that has been consistently .... liberal? vague? with the truth and information.. not sure about the right word for it... Case in point, European regulators and doctors were getting more and more worried about the AstraZenca vaccine and blood clots. The UK government dismissed this, until the number of cases around Europe became too much to ignore. And then suddenly the UK government announced a huge number (relatively speaking) of cases with blood clots.

One thing for sure... it is shocking what is going on in the UK. A little over a week ago, the numbers in the UK was around 1000 new cases a day. Now it is 10k a day. If hospitalisations go up in the same numbers, then holy shit.

So there is no doubt that the Delta variant will spread like wildfire in non vaccinated areas regardless of the country, especially if there is no social distancing and mask and so on.

Rates of infection tend to be concentrated in the more deprived areas of the Northwest of England, and coincidentally where there are large immigrant populations; mainly Asian, and mostly the un-vaccinated. The under-40s are being offered alternatives to Astra Zeneca; I've had no issues with it-but I'm 68. The Delta variant is now the more prevalent virus here. Just 250 cases of thromboses have been reported to date; concerning, but still a very small number compared to the millions of doses administered.

UK MHRA reports 41 blood clot cases after use of AstraZeneca vaccine

The UK MHRA has reported an additional 41 cases of rare blood clots in people who have received doses of AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com