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Will American businesses turn to concentration camp labor?

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"With the passage of Trump's death bill, we face the prospect of many great harms, including an archipelago of concentration camps across the United States. Concentration camps are sites of tempting slave labor. Among many other aims, the Soviets used concentration camp labor to build canals and work mines. The Nazi German concentration camp system followed a capitalist version of the same logic: it drew in businesses with the prospect of inexpensive labor.

...What happens next in the U.S.? Workers who are presented as "undocumented" will be taken to the camps. Perhaps they will work in the camps themselves, as slaves to government projects. But more likely they will be offered to American companies on special terms: a one-time payment to the government, for example, with no need for wages or benefits. In the simplest version, and perhaps the most likely, detained people will be offered back to the companies for which they were just working. Their stay in the concentration camp will be presented as a purge or a legalization for which companies should be grateful. Trump has already said that this is the idea, calling it "owner responsibility."

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Trump himself has discussed something like this. On his July 1 visit to the Everglades camp with Governor Ron DeSantis and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, Trump was asked about detainees participating in some kind of work program. The question starts at 5:43 of this video. As ever with Trump, he starts and stops sentences midway and it’s hard to follow. But he talks about “farmer responsibility” and “owner responsibility.” He seems to be describing a system whereby farmworkers and others would live in detention camps but be released to work on farms or in hotels. “They’re not getting citizenship,” he said, “but they get other things.” He didn’t specify what those “things” were. So something is in the works.

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From 2024:

Trump’s plan to launch a massive deportation project nationwide—the first plank in the platform approved at his party’s convention—draws on the same flawed historical rationales and pseudoscience that built support for concentration camps worldwide in the 20th century. Early architects of these camps veiled their efforts in scientific terms while using terror and punishment to seize more power.

For example, Trump has claimed repeatedly that undocumented immigrants are “poisoning the blood” of the U.S. “Blood poisoning” is a medical condition; saying that foreigners are poisoning a nation’s blood is simply a slur. But perverting scientific or medical language to violate human rights and permit atrocities comes from a familiar playbook.

...before World War II, the Nazis framed German Jews as aliens who needed to be forced into emigration or expelled. This was the original logic for stripping Jews of citizenship: to officially render them foreigners. (It should be noted that Trump aims to end birthright citizenship in the U.S.)

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With our archipelago of concentration camps holding their workers, it just makes sense to bring them back, and, for them and their profits, under more favorable conditions.
 
PSA: Kids, this is what happens to your brain on far extremist leftist media.
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste".
 
Is history "media" now?
If you take note of my quoting of your post, I removed the historical reference not only due to posting size limitations, but also because I wasn't responding to that particular part in the response which I posted. This was done on purpose for those reasons.

So, no, those historical facts aren't being disputed, but the politically demanded push narrative of those claimed 'similarities' is being disputed.
 

Whoa, what are disputing?

At this point, they're assigned to a tiny space and free to do nothing. Why would it be a stretch to send them into the fields and have them earn their keep?

I can hear it now, "They prefer it."
 
Socialism or barbarism. I know what im picking.
 
This is justice. Have to pay human smugglers to get into the the USA, and pay again in the slave labor camp to get out.
 
Make it tough and they quit sneaking in.

I appreciate youre equity our morality to thst of human smugglers.

The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime.

That your leader finds pleasure in it is particularly disturbing.
 
Whoa, what are disputing?
I'm disputing the entire baseless narrative which you are pushing.

At this point, they're assigned to a tiny space and free to do nothing.

Why would it be a stretch to send them into the fields and have them earn their keep?
Yes, this yet another baseless narrative of yours which you are pushing.

I can hear it now, "They prefer it."
And yet more of the same.
 
I'm disputing the entire baseless narrative which you are pushing.




Yes, this yet another baseless narrative of yours which you are pushing.


And yet more of the same.

Can you be specific?
 
Can you be specific?

The thread title:
Will American businesses turn to concentration camp labor?
"Come On Man!"
Can you push your narrative any harder? Or using any more inflammatory terms?

Have you not learned anything from all the baseless accusations of Hitler, Nazi, Fascist lost you the last presidential campaign?

I'm guessing probably not, but then, you chose those words for exactly the same reasons those baseless accusations where chosen then.

. . .
With our archipelago of concentration camps holding their workers, it just makes sense to bring them back, and, for them and their profits, under more favorable conditions.
'We' (the US government, federal or state) do not have an 'archipelago of concentration camps'.
This is pure bullshit, specifically chosen for furthering your baseless bullshit narrative.

As some sort of support and substantiation you cite a substack academic rando (probably a leftist), and The New Republic (already known far left source).
 

Its not much of a leap. Many major corporations that are still around today used Nazi concentration camp labor. Many corporations today use Amerucan prison labor.

The government is preparing to build more camps. They would like the states to get in on the act.

 
With our archipelago of concentration camps holding their workers, it just makes sense to bring them back, and, for them and their profits, under more favorable conditions.

It could be argued that what Trump is doing with outright deportations is more dignified than living as a permanent slave underclass to feed the materialist appetites of people who either resent you completely for it or condescendingly thank you for being a good slave, which is debatably even more humiliating than the more explicit racism of MAGA.

There's no reason any intelligent person would think the capitalist would prefer explicit slave labor. In the digital age it's terrible PR for a strategy that is far easier to accomplish with race-positive HR/PR campaigns for our strawberry pickers. Besides, how would we be able to eat strawberries without a permanent slave underclass? As liberals rightly point out - Americans certainly wouldn't want to be slaves in the field!
 

Its possible we could find a status for these folks that falls somewhere between slave and criminal.
 
Its possible we could find a status for these folks that falls somewhere between slave and criminal.

Not really. Legalization only makes sense if it makes sense for America. If they're going to work slave jobs, then it makes sense to keep them as slaves.

What I would prefer is immigration (and labor more broadly) be oriented more toward development and technology. Human capital should be used in labs and factories to develop technology that automates strawberry picking. We shouldn't have to rely on a tax-negative labor pool to do labor that should be automated in a country as rich and developed as ours.
 
Its not much of a leap.
Its rather funny that you can't tell when your imagination runs wild with you, and you post it all up here for all to see.
Perhaps draft your post, wait a few minutes, walk away from the keyboard, and reflect before you hit the 'post reply' button?

Many major corporations that are still around today used Nazi concentration camp labor.
Those would be in Germany and the then, during WW II, occupied countries, wouldn't it?
I strongly doubt that any of them are here in the US AND are using what you call 'concentration camp labor'.

Many corporations today use Amerucan prison labor.
I'm skeptical.

You call them concentration camps, more properly they should be called ICE Detention Facilities, a waypoint on the way of being deported.
I don't think you can continue to honestly call them concentration camps until there's force labor, there's starvation, and some detainees are worked to death.

Let me know if the ICE Detention Facilities even come close to any of that.
This also goes to demonstrate how ridiculous and outlandish your calling them concentration camps really is.
Sheesh, have you not learned in history class or from books about the conditions of the REAL concentration camps during WW II?
Apparently not, because you are in fact making this ridiculous and outlandish claim, are you not?
 
Make it tough and they quit sneaking in.
So, concentration camps that could kill people are okay? Because that's what they are. They only feed them one meal a day in some centers. They are depriving people of medicine and due process. They had innocent people sent to CECOT where they could be beaten. They're trying to model Alligator Alcatraz after CECOT. This is Nazism or something very close. What's the final solution to the immigration problem? The homeless problem? Other undesirables? I'm sorry if I'm not civil enough, but I don't understand why conservatives are so hell bent on allowing torture of people and possibly their deaths and we're supposed to act like it's politics at usual. My heart has been shattered into a million pieces to see what this country has become; how evil it truly is. I am heartbroken to see conservatives I've known for years still supporting Trump. It's a slap in the face. I don't see this as politics as usual.
 

They're starving people in Alligator Alcatraz. They're getting one meal a day and that's not the only "detention" facility where people are starving. They're staying in a tent facility where the air conditioning is crappy and the heat index is 120 last I checked. They are denying people their medicine. They are keeping the lights on 24/7 like CECOT to keep them from sleeping. They're being denied the right to see a lawyer. Priests are being told they can't come in to minister because of the mosquitos. One person had their bible taken away from them because they were not to have freedom of religion. Congressmen were told they couldn't come at first due to safety issues. If there are so many safety issues, why does this place exist at all? They know they're sending people to potentially die and/or be disappeared to a place where their family may never know what happened to them.

In CECOT, where people were sent with no due process, people were beaten and starved. Garcia lost over thirty pounds in the short time period he was there.

I've studied History. The way Nazi Germany worked was that the Nazis scapegoated the Jews as supposedly being responsible for all of Germany's problems. Once Germans were convinced of this, new ideas about what made somebody a "real" citizen got accepted (a lot like what Trump tries to do now to a point). Jews were no longer Germans and so it was okay to deport them all. They were considered like vermin. It wasn't uncommon to lie about Jews being violent when they weren't (a lot like Trump claiming Haitians at our pets). This made people not feel badly for them if they were subjected to horrible things. Likewise, people here don't care if immigrants, visa holders, green card holders, and Americans of certain skin colors are getting detained and mistreated. It's already happened. And Nazi Germany did not consider killing all Jews at first. Killing all Jews was a "final" solution to the Jewish question. What's the "final" solution to the illegal immigrant question, the birthright question, the homeless question? I don't think most Trump supporters support such horrible things, but right now, I don't see them condemning it either. They won't do anything. They won't say anything. Maybe that's because they're only watching Fox News and therefore don't believe what's happening. I'm not sure.
 
How do you know that this just isn't some MSM progandists' wild spun fiction specifically designed for you rconsumption?
Oh, right. You don't.

Hypothetically, were all of that really happening, documentable and provable beyond a reasonable doubt, there'd be legions of law suites, wouldn't there?

Rather odd that none of them have been reported - you'd figure that the leftist MSM would be shouting about them from every mountain top every hours of every day.
 
How do you know that this just isn't some MSM progandists' wild spun fiction specifically designed for you rconsumption?
Oh, right. You don't.
Mainstream media like the Archbishop of Miami as reported on Religion News Service? They're not letting priests celebrate Mass. Insert your favorite Iron Curtain comparison here.
 
Mainstream media like the Archbishop of Miami as reported on Religion News Service?
That the bishop was not permitted to conduct mass at the facility speaks to the conditions at the facility?
I didn't think so.

They're not letting priests celebrate Mass. Insert your favorite Iron Curtain comparison here.
Gee. Sounds like the targeted shutdowns of churches and even their out door ceremonies during COVID.
 
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