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Wile Night In Texas....Abortion Filibuster [W:122]

Was it really nessecary to kill innocent children for any reason?

I think not.

How hypocritical can someone be? You complain that God, the creator and sustainer of all life, does what He wills concerning his creation because some children were killed, yet you support the murder of millions of children each year via abortion.
 
Well, I'm sure God is disappointed by this, but don't worry you will stand before this God one day to give account of your life. Let's see how that works out for you. Oh and Campbell, this goes for you too.

We ALL will do the same. And we'll ALL require the grace and mercy of God on that day, every single one of us. Pray we have it.

Meanwhile, we still have lives to live on this Earth. I don't want to answer the question, "why, after a million warnings, didn't you obey Me?"
 
For the first time since the settlers came here after they had found out the churches in Europe...Christianity has peaked and is on it's way down. Now 1 in 5 Americans state that they have no religious or spiritual activity in their life. It's the youth....those smart little ****ers have caught on and they cannot be brainwashed with an ancient fairy tale. That's another demographic which will be voting Democrat...and it's growing.

I bet the church outlives you!
 
We ALL will do the same. And we'll ALL require the grace and mercy of God on that day, every single one of us. Pray we have it.

Meanwhile, we still have lives to live on this Earth. I don't want to answer the question, "why, after a million warnings, didn't you obey Me?"

Amen!
 
Thus proving you have elevated yourself to the center of the universe. It's no surprise your inability to comprehend God leads you into unbelief. You can't believe because you can't comprehend. You have elevated your limited human ability to understand or know the will of God, simply because it doesn't make sense to YOU.

It's merely YOUR assessment that God killed children simply for convenience, or pettiness. Did God tell you that? Or are you simply presuming the will of God? God created those children. He didn't kill them, the sin of man did. For the wages of sin is death. Would God have killed them if Pharaoh had obeyed God's will? No. God also destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah. But go read THAT story as well. He gave them numerous opportunities to obey, but they rejected Him and disobeyed.

God still possesses wrath, but after the new covenant with man through Christ, we are saved through GRACE AND MERCY. I doubt you understand this, much less care.

Hell....I no sooner read about the flood where that useless bastard killed everybody on the earth except one family with six mile deep water and then turned a woman into a pillar of salt till I knew him like a book.....he/she/it is a damned bully. I like hell anyway. I'll go down there and get reacquainted with all my old friends while you folks float around on gossamer wings inside that gated community and sing hymns.
 
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Hell....I no sooner read about the flood where that useless bastard killed everybody on the earth except one family with six mile deep water and then turned a woman into a pillar of salt till I knew him like a book.....he/she/it is a damned bully. I like hell anyway. I'll go down there and get reacquainted with all my old friends while you folks float around on gossamer wings inside that gated community and sing hymns.

Suit yourself.....
 
That was Pharaoh's order, not God's. God simply turned Pharaoh's order on himself. Not to mention, that was the last of ten miraculous plagues God punished Egypt with. And after all that, Pharaoh still would not submit to God.

Submission: the same problem liberals today have, was the same problem Pharaoh had, which caused him and his people to suffer the righteous judgment of God.

It boils down to this: who is the center of the universe? You? Or God?

Never read Exodus, have you? Pharaoh agreed after plague number three. God mind raped him and made him continue to refuse, several times, until all ten plagues were done. God is a pretty evil character. And apparently doesn't extend that whole "free will" thing when it gives him the chance to murder children because their parents worship other gods.

On a similar note, this whole "don't make taxpayers fund abortions" bit is really getting old. So long as we need to keep funding your churches, you need to keep funding inclusive healthcare.
 
Never read Exodus, have you? Pharaoh agreed after plague number three. God mind raped him and made him continue to refuse, several times, until all ten plagues were done. God is a pretty evil character. And apparently doesn't extend that whole "free will" thing when it gives him the chance to murder children because their parents worship other gods.

On a similar note, this whole "don't make taxpayers fund abortions" bit is really getting old. So long as we need to keep funding your churches, you need to keep funding inclusive healthcare.

If churches could exist on tax breaks alone, you'd have a point. Your version of exodus is simply wrong and ignorant, so I don't see a need to debate it with such confessed ignorance.

The very God you guys say doesn't exist, is the same non existent God that forced Pharaoh to disobey. Lol....got it. So, you blame a non existent God, who you know nothing about, for killing children in a fictitious story. And get all emotional about it to boot. Lol....

If its fictional, why do people like you get all kinds of emotional about it? Is it an attempt to bully others? Ya, I think so. It's not enough for you to let people believe what they want. You've gotta prove those people wrong and convince them that no belief in God is the only truth there is. All that effort over something fictional. Lol....God help you, I don't know how you make it through life.
 
If churches could exist on tax breaks alone, you'd have a point.

My tax money is still going to subsidize them. All the while they preach and lobby to take away my rights. But please, whine more about Planned Parenthood.

Your version of exodus is simply wrong and ignorant, so I don't see a need to debate it with such confessed ignorance.

So no, you haven't read it. I just checked with the KJV (which of course is not as accurate as the Hebrew I used to read it in) and Pharaoh agrees to let the Hebrews leave after the first plague, and god "hardened Pharaoh's heart" and made him refuse. He even does this to Pharaoh before Moses and Aaron show up in the first place.

And why do I care? I care because people think this is a lesson in good morals. I care because those churches that I am forced to subsidize are trying to make laws to control my behavior based on these myths. I care because people are inspired to murder because of these stories.
 
Never read Exodus, have you? Pharaoh agreed after plague number three. God mind raped him and made him continue to refuse, several times, until all ten plagues were done. God is a pretty evil character. And apparently doesn't extend that whole "free will" thing when it gives him the chance to murder children because their parents worship other gods.

On a similar note, this whole "don't make taxpayers fund abortions" bit is really getting old. So long as we need to keep funding your churches, you need to keep funding inclusive healthcare.

Yeah....their precious tax free status sucks. They run a small business where a person who really should get a job spends about 45 minutes a week preparing his Sunday morning message and gets his salary, house and expenses covered by donations. The rest of the donations go to building funds, oak and mahagony pews, stained glass, expensive sound systems and musical instruments, steeples, carpeting, maintenance, church buses, religious retreats, youth programs, missionary work and of course about 10% off the top is sent to the denomination or conference headquarters. The idea of that load of bull**** being tax exempt is enough to induce regurgitation.
 
no it's really quite simple.

There are two explanations why god would kill innocent children.

1) god is as petty as man. Angry and vengeful.

2) the story is fiction.

Point is for you, god is this all powerful being, perfect and above reproach, who would never tolerate the killing of children in any circumstance including the killing if the unborn in cases of rape and incest... Yet it's proven within your fictional universe of historical events he has no qualms about killing innocent children when it suits him and was convenient.

Is this some sort of off-topic thread deflection? The thread isn't about religion.
 
For the first time since the settlers came here after they had found out the churches in Europe...Christianity has peaked and is on it's way down. Now 1 in 5 Americans state that they have no religious or spiritual activity in their life. It's the youth....those smart little ****ers have caught on and they cannot be brainwashed with an ancient fairy tale. That's another demographic which will be voting Democrat...and it's growing.

Yep, that's an end-times prophecy in the Bible. The Great falling Away.

MT 24:10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

We've been watching it take place.

You and other supporters of the murderers of the unborn will be judged.
 
Never read Exodus, have you? Pharaoh agreed after plague number three. God mind raped him and made him continue to refuse, several times, until all ten plagues were done. God is a pretty evil character. And apparently doesn't extend that whole "free will" thing when it gives him the chance to murder children because their parents worship other gods.

On a similar note, this whole "don't make taxpayers fund abortions" bit is really getting old. So long as we need to keep funding your churches, you need to keep funding inclusive healthcare.

You hate God but, fund churches??

Wow U R generous.
 
The church's precious tax free status sucks. They run a small business where a person who really should get a job spends about 45 minutes a week preparing his Sunday morning message and gets his salary, house and expenses covered by donations. The rest of the donations go to building funds, oak and mahagony pews, stained glass, expensive sound systems and musical instruments, steeples, carpeting, maintenance, church buses, religious retreats, youth programs, missionary work and of course about 10% off the top is sent to the denomination or conference headquarters. The idea of that load of bull**** being tax exempt is enough to induce regurgitation.
 
The church's precious tax free status sucks. They run a small business where a person who really should get a job spends about 45 minutes a week preparing his Sunday morning message and gets his salary, house and expenses covered by donations. The rest of the donations go to building funds, oak and mahagony pews, stained glass, expensive sound systems and musical instruments, steeples, carpeting, maintenance, church buses, religious retreats, youth programs, missionary work and of course about 10% off the top is sent to the denomination or conference headquarters. The idea of that load of bull**** being tax exempt is enough to induce regurgitation.

So not only do you hate God, but you hate it that people can give their money to a church. Lol....ya, but you hacks are all about freedom. And you wonder why people call people like you Marxists or straight up Communists.
 
Wait, I know a second thing about a woman's vagina.....you came into this world through one. Now call her up and thank her that she didn't, at the very last second possible, decide she couldn't afford you and had your spine severed and your body dismembered and sucked out.
No, because I wish she had had an abortion. I'm tired of the anti-choicers assuming that every not-aborted child wants to be born or wants to live the life of hate and blame and abuse and violence that so many unwanted children experience. I don't care why they didn't want kids, but they didn't and my brother and I paid heavily in ways not even imaginable to most people. But unfortunately, as I was told by her often, abortion nor birth control were available to her.

Have I survived? Yes. Do I make the best I can of my lot? Yes. But would I give it all up at birth had I been given a choice? YES.
 
No, because I wish she had had an abortion. I'm tired of the anti-choicers assuming that every not-aborted child wants to be born or wants to live the life of hate and blame and abuse and violence that so many unwanted children experience. I don't care why they didn't want kids, but they didn't and my brother and I paid heavily in ways not even imaginable to most people. But unfortunately, as I was told by her often, abortion nor birth control were available to her.

Have I survived? Yes. Do I make the best I can of my lot? Yes. But would I give it all up at birth had I been given a choice? YES.

Is it actually wise to assume they would pick death? How are we supposed to know which way they would answer this question? It seems to me that if we don't know we have to pick life.
 
no it's really quite simple.

There are two explanations why god would kill innocent children.

1) god is as petty as man. Angry and vengeful.

2) the story is fiction.

Point is for you, god is this all powerful being, perfect and above reproach, who would never tolerate the killing of children in any circumstance including the killing if the unborn in cases of rape and incest... Yet it's proven within your fictional universe of historical events he has no qualms about killing innocent children when it suits him and was convenient.

3.) God is not involved in the daily lives of people. Just sayin'..
 
Is it actually wise to assume they would pick death? How are we supposed to know which way they would answer this question? It seems to me that if we don't know we have to pick life.
No, it's wisest to leave it to those that created the problem, first and foremost the woman and her doctor, and should the sperm donor be so inclined to be involved in the decision, his opinion should come in to play secondarily. From there it's up to the woman and to a lesser degree the sperm donor to determine who else should have a chance at an opinion about the matter. It isn't the state or the fed business what choice is made regarding non-viable fetuses, zygotes, or should you love to torture yourself with the word, baby who is not viable.
 
20 weeks that sounds fair unless of course their are defects that may only be detected after that time . People do make mistakes its part of being human and lives should not be compromised the females males as well as the fetuses . Some people should not have children the child's fate may be worse if it is concise and alive rather than unaware and deceased .
 
20 weeks that sounds fair unless of course their are defects that may only be detected after that time . People do make mistakes its part of being human and lives should not be compromised the females males as well as the fetuses . Some people should not have children the child's fate may be worse if it is concise and alive rather than unaware and deceased .
I think if it was only the 20week, it would've gone through more quietly. It's the new and unnecessary regs on clinics which will close 37 of 42 (I think that's right) of the existing women's health clinics in TX that sometimes do abortions.
 
No, it's wisest to leave it to those that created the problem, first and foremost the woman and her doctor, and should the sperm donor be so inclined to be involved in the decision, his opinion should come in to play secondarily. From there it's up to the woman and to a lesser degree the sperm donor to determine who else should have a chance at an opinion about the matter. It isn't the state or the fed business what choice is made regarding non-viable fetuses, zygotes, or should you love to torture yourself with the word, baby who is not viable.

For god sakes can we please just use the word "father" instead of sperm donor?

Anyway, I was referring to the child. Once born even after they go through hell we still do not know how they will answer this question. They might very well disagree with you and would have desired to have been born.
 
For god sakes can we please just use the word "father" instead of sperm donor?

Anyway, I was referring to the child. Once born even after they go through hell we still do not know how they will answer this question. They might very well disagree with you and would have desired to have been born.
No we cannot because not all sperm donors want to don the term "father" but they are all sperm donors regardless of their feelings about a pregnancy. I will honor the options of the men who donated sperm as well as the women. I will not presume or assume that it was done with consent or intent. Of course the act probably was consentual, but the resulting pregnancy may or may not have been. Perhaps a condom broke, or a woman is trying to trap him, or they were both stupidly drunk, who knows, and who cares. I can be assured someone donated sperm, I cannot be assured he is or wants to be a father. There are a **** load of men who wish their women had had abortions, but again, first and foremost it's the woman's choice, even when that choice is to see the pregnancy through regardless of a man not wanting the financial or parental responsibility.
 
I think if it was only the 20week, it would've gone through more quietly. It's the new and unnecessary regs on clinics which will close 37 of 42 (I think that's right) of the existing women's health clinics in TX that sometimes do abortions.

Texas will just be Texas . Most people have already identified Texas as a Republican capital where the politicians ( for the most part) have no shame of using religion to ratify and justify their laws. If one wanted a abortion they could always travel out of state .
 
No we cannot because not all sperm donors want to don the term "father" but they are all sperm donors regardless of their feelings about a pregnancy. I will honor the options of the men who donated sperm as well as the women. I will not presume or assume that it was done with consent or intent. Of course the act probably was consentual, but the resulting pregnancy may or may not have been. Perhaps a condom broke, or a woman is trying to trap him, or they were both stupidly drunk, who knows, and who cares. I can be assured someone donated sperm, I cannot be assured he is or wants to be a father. There are a **** load of men who wish their women had had abortions, but again, first and foremost it's the woman's choice, even when that choice is to see the pregnancy through regardless of a man not wanting the financial or parental responsibility.

The term father doesn't assume legal responsibility. All it does is recognize the fact that he is the biological father. The only thing I thought when you first used the term "sperm donor" in the context you did was that you were purposely trying to be insulting to all fathers.
 
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